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Endless Mike posted:Removing Ben's death from Spider-Man's origin would be such an enormous change to the character that they may as well have not fought and paid to get Spider-Man. It's entirely unthinkable. Spiderverse had four separate Spider-People who didn't lose Ben, so I'm not sure that's a good point.
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Yes that’s right Miles and Gwen did not lose their Uncle Ben Parkers. Whatever point that is supposed to make.
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Jan 16, 2019 04:37
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I'm just saying, Marvel has the freedom to do what they want here. Wasn't really trying to make any point beyond that.
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Jan 16, 2019 04:38
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Cythereal posted:Spiderverse had four separate Spider-People who didn't lose Ben, so I'm not sure that's a good point. Incidentally, a big moment in that movie was where they all explain to Miles that they understand his loss and grief because they all had similar incidents, so if your argument is that they can replace Ben with whoever else to get that same feeling of grief and responsibility that drive Peter, it's not a particularly good argument, nor does it make any sense to do it. They just skipped past that since we all know Spider-Man's origin.
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Jan 16, 2019 04:39
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Well the defining event in Peter Parker’s life, even more than the actual bite of the spider, is the death of Ben. If you’re doing Peter it’s the primary building block of the character.
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Jan 16, 2019 04:40
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Cythereal posted:Spiderverse had four separate Spider-People who didn't lose Ben, so I'm not sure that's a good point. No they just lost someone who was a uncle ben stand in.
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Jan 16, 2019 04:43
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Yeah sorry fair enough, I didn't mean to start an argument.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Question is, does MCU Spidey have moves? He should be at a party at the end of Endgame when the world is saved, he starts doing that and Tony just reaches out and stops him. I really want Fury to constantly dart Ned, even though Peter tells him Ned knows and is cool, but Fury is just "I Know, i just like doing it". And Some good Spider-Verse art https://www.artstation.com/artwork/DxYV20?fbclid=IwAR3knL2ACtaiulEGikWC1tONv8gS0wOdcpMuytdOmyWR19F4_l2vmdnGZU8
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Jan 16, 2019 04:49
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Spider-pod lost his Uncle Bean (as played by Rowan Atkinson)
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Jan 16, 2019 04:56
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Andrew_1985 posted:Ok so seeing Peter being open with Aunt May is great. "Say some space god is dissing your fly planet. Just give him one of these!"
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Jan 16, 2019 05:14
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Gavok posted:"Say some space god is dissing your fly planet. Just give him one of these!" This is one of those scenes I could swear was not in the original broadcast or early reruns and I've only come to appreciate years later.
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Jan 16, 2019 05:33
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Endless Mike posted:Removing Ben's death from Spider-Man's origin would be such an enormous change to the character that they may as well have not fought and paid to get Spider-Man. It's entirely unthinkable. So far we've only been able to assume MCU Spider-Man's origins and for all we know he had an Uncle Bert who cheated on May and left her, or an Uncle Barney who was killed trying to jump 12 buses on his motorcycle, or an Aunt Betty who was mutated into a radioactive spider and bit him because she was always such an rear end in a top hat. His origin isn't super-important.
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Jan 16, 2019 05:39
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Jamesman posted:So far we've only been able to assume MCU Spider-Man's origins and for all we know he had an Uncle Bert who cheated on May and left her, or an Uncle Barney who was killed trying to jump 12 buses on his motorcycle, or an Aunt Betty who was mutated into a radioactive spider and bit him because she was always such an rear end in a top hat. His origin isn't super-important. It’s more that everyone already knows Spider-Man’s origin and they aren’t going to go over it a third time because seriously, does anyone want to watch that again before the movie gets going in earnest? They do not.
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Jan 16, 2019 05:42
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Nwvermind. Didn’t fully read the post.
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Jan 16, 2019 05:45
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Seriously, "how do we know he had an uncle Ben" is the reason Batman's parents have died twenty times.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Spider-pod lost his Uncle Bean (as played by Rowan Atkinson) Back the gently caress up. How has this not happened already?
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Jan 16, 2019 06:58
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Arist posted:My-technically-a-theory-but-I'm-pretty-positive-I'm-correct-speculation is that not only are all the elemental villains Mysterio illusions (which seems pretty obvious), so is Nick Fury. I was thinking along the same lines. Although I figured it would actually be Chameleon as Fury. So Fake Fury manipulates Peter into stealing some valuable MacGuffin(s) under the guise of 'secret missions', which gives Mysterio the excuse to apprehend him. It could be that Sandman and Hydroman aren't illusions, but stooges who take a dive to make Mysterio look good.
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Jan 16, 2019 08:15
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asecondduck posted:The thing that bothers me the most was that they went "okay, we need a dark, creepy mirror of Tobey McGuire, who can we cast.... I know! Topher Grace!" when Jake Gyllenhaal was the obvious choice. Honestly, after watching "Molly's Game" the realization I had was Topher Grace is the light, pleasant mirror of Toby McGuire.
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Jan 16, 2019 09:56
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The minimisation of Uncle Ben is my single biggest problem with the Marvel Spider-Man. That death, Peter's culpability in it, and the guilt that drives him to risk his life day after day is such a fundamental part of his character, that it just felt weird that Homecoming had an almost intense desire to not mention it lest it get saddled with the same sort of jabs that The Amazing Spider-Man series did. No one is asking for another scene of Uncle Ben being shot, but maybe a quick line and a photo, or a quick moment by the grave maybe at the start of the film essentially saying "this has already happened, you know the jist, moving on". As it stands it feels a little off. To be fair The Amazing Spider-Man film's decision to have the death and then have it not really matter and then just have Peter forget about it while adding in a bunch of bullshit about his parents and a secret spider destiny that also ended up not mattering, is the single worst story decision anyone could have taken. Those two films are very, very bad. Spider-man and Spider-Man 2 are the best superhero films, so is Spider-verse for that matter. .....Spider-Man 3 is good.
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Jan 16, 2019 11:22
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I believe there was a line in Homecoming that implies the Ben thing but they did not go into it. It really wasn’t a part of the story. I would prefer that sort of thing as opposed to the poo poo in SM3 where suddenly it’s Sandman who is responsible for Ben’s death.
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Jan 16, 2019 13:49
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I think with every movie a different supervillain should confess that they were actually Uncle Ben's killer and try to repent in the third act. Every new movie it turns out Uncle Ben actually survived a few more minutes until another supervillain accidentally killed him in a crime gone wrong.
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Jan 16, 2019 14:01
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Oh my God, in both Civil War and Homecoming there are references to Ben dying and how it's affected Peter and May. They aren't downplaying it, they're leaving it as implied which is fine because we already know Spidey and his origin.
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Jan 16, 2019 14:15
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Codependent Poster posted:Oh my God, in both Civil War and Homecoming there are references to Ben dying and how it's affected Peter and May. They aren't downplaying it, they're leaving it as implied which is fine because we already know Spidey and his origin.
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Jan 16, 2019 14:27
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think some people want Marvel to dig up the corpse of Cliff Robertson and have him get shot again or whatever If Ras Al Ghul was a marvel villain he would totally do this
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Jan 16, 2019 14:31
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Uncle Ben isn't dead, he's in jail. The burglar showed up to their house and Ben was all "you picked the wrong house, motherfucker" and blammo, shot that punk dead. But cuz of all these drat liberals, you can't even stand your ground and protect your own home anymore so now he's doing time.
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Jan 16, 2019 14:35
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Instead of the Marvel vignette, every MCU movie now opens with Uncle Ben getting shot
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Jan 16, 2019 14:46
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Replace Stan Lee's cameos with Uncle Ben dying in the background of each film.
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Jan 16, 2019 14:48
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Tobey Maguire was lobbying pretty hard to be the new Uncle Ben. I think he just wants to make out with Marissa Tomei.
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Lobok posted:This is one of those scenes I could swear was not in the original broadcast or early reruns and I've only come to appreciate years later. Sweet, I can finally use some useless trivia I know. It would have been in the original broadcast, but not in any reruns. If you look at the episode transcript, the entire Moe scene is in curly braces which they use to show syndication cuts. The first dozen or so seasons are full of these. I never watched the early seasons live, just on weekday afternoon reruns but they were still burned into my brain. I remember getting the DVDs and realizing there was content I had never seen.
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The fact that Peter is so eager to please Tony Stark means he's desperately looking for a father figure which plays hard into him losing Uncle Ben.
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Samuringa posted:Instead of the Marvel vignette, every MCU movie now opens with Uncle Ben getting shot
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Cael posted:Sweet, I can finally use some useless trivia I know. It would have been in the original broadcast, but not in any reruns. If you look at the episode transcript, the entire Moe scene is in curly braces which they use to show syndication cuts. The first dozen or so seasons are full of these. So I probably saw it the first time originally but then forgot about it as I watched the reruns a million times.
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Jan 16, 2019 15:41
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Just found out that the actor who briefly plays Flash Thompson in the first Spider-Man was Joe Manganiello. Huh.
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I think Topher Grace was well cast for the version of Eddie Brock they went with, it's just that he was shoved so far into the background of the film that he might as well not have been in it.FlamingLiberal posted:Just found out that the actor who briefly plays Flash Thompson in the first Spider-Man was Joe Manganiello. Huh. The fat guy who watches Peter beat up Flash and does a really overacted fist pump is the same fat guy who gets a slushie dumped into his trombone in the video for simple plan's "I'm just a kid". E: Oh yeah, one of the main things I want to criticize Homecoming for is Sexy Aunt May. I don't care what anyone says, Aunt May should be a grandma. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jan 16, 2019 |
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Jan 16, 2019 16:32
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She is, you just find this particular grandma sexy.
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Jan 16, 2019 16:50
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 Stupid sexy Grandma
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Jan 16, 2019 16:53
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Marissa Tomei was 52 when Homecoming came out, she's totally grandma aged It's okay to wanna bang a grandma, guys, just live your lives
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Jan 16, 2019 16:54
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Soul Glo posted:Marissa Tomei was 52 when Homecoming came out, she's totally grandma aged Thank you, pornhub dot com social media manager.
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Jan 16, 2019 16:57
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Thank you, pornhub dot com social media manager. You're welcome
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I am ready for Aunt May to trend toward being a real aunt instead of a weird grandma because that's always been weird. And while I'm at it, organic webshooters are fine.
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