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given their stated territorial ambitions, i cannot imagine the frankish fascists are going to get along well with their occitanian, celtic, italian, and (possibly) german brethren e: it's been said but bears repeating about how bleak this world is in terms of democratic rights. the only major democracies in this world are new england, the berber union, and russia QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 16, 2019 |
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I don't care who survives so long as Morocco dies! 
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Slaan posted:I don't care who survives so long as Morocco dies! Shouldn't you be on a boat to North Ibriz by now
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I'm for whatever kills the Moroccans and the French, with a tertiary goal of spreading the revolution.
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With HOI4’s limited time span covered I can’t foresee how we could over come the superior industrial output advantage, raw manpower to draw upon or rare resources our rivals will possess. Even with the player advantage in not making foolish strategic mistakes Russia will roll over Europe, and whoever wins the North American thunder-dome will be in the same position in that hemisphere. You can turtle up forever sure, but you aren’t pressing a war into Central Europe, Northern Africa and where ever else our campaigns will take us; our industrial capacity can’t support it. What I’m saying is there can be no victory. The revolution was a lie, just negotiate peace in our time.
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Honestly I would be very pleased if we actually took the reasonable, diplomatic option going into WWII It would be a nice cap-off to the thread if it ended with a mostly peaceful transition of power and the beginning of democratization after the death of Maz Mazin, the gradual construction of a socialist power bloc spreading across the Mediterranean,  RestRoomLiterature- posted:With HOI4’s limited time span covered I can’t foresee how we could over come the superior industrial output advantage, raw manpower to draw upon or rare resources our rivals will possess. Ah, but consider this: If we're the underdog again, the custom destabilizing hell events and National Spirits will be to our enemies' disadvantage
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:With HOI4’s limited time span covered I can’t foresee how we could over come the superior industrial output advantage, raw manpower to draw upon or rare resources our rivals will possess. I think you're overestimating the HoI4 AI a bit. Unless it's been improved since I last played it tends to build way more units than its economy can support and then runs them out of equipment super fast.
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It doesn't matter which country's better than which because everybody just lost their dancing partners. There's only enemies and no allies. Anything could happen. Ally with an ancient enemy with cultural similarities as everything goes to hell on the other end of the landmass? Alliance of convenience with madmen bent on marching across the rest of Europe? (that could lead into another alliance of convenience with unlikely allies against a common enemy) Old alliance with whatever new ghost inhabits Germany's corpse? Communist block doing it for themselves? Russia tries to pick up an atlantic/mediterranean power to make up for its lack of a navy? Or maybe all the vast colonial empires finally collapse and freedom reigns. I dunno how HOI works. Hell, the Americas will definitely explode on their own, maybe they'll drag Europe to war this time.
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I say we try friending Russia? I mean it is a novel approach unlike siding up to the Germans for the third time.
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I'd like to see an occitan anschluss
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declare war on the entire planet, export our communism to them
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TheFlyingLlama posted:declare war on the entire
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A communist/liberal alliance between Iberia and Russia for a two-front war against a terrifying fascist regime with designs on all of Europe seems pretty thematically appropriate for a HOI game. Even better if we can also get the Berber Union, aka the closest this world has to a continent-spanning United States equivalent, onside. Remember that in the real world, the threat of Nazism was enough to unify regimes that never would have fought on the same side under other circumstances. If HOI starts with the French blitzing half of Europe, it would make perfect sense for the other world powers to band together against them. I would say on the other hand maybe Iberia is the revanchist blitzkrieg power, given our massive investment in tanks and airplanes at the end of Vicky despite the theoretical imposition of an arms-limiting peace treaty, but having seen the French industry and military scores I don't think it's likely.
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The German revanchism is real. Though what I'd like to see is nationalist/ethnic revolts all over the world. Russia is definitely experiencing some ethnic tension, the English probably aren't too happy about being ruled by the French, the Berber Union could well have regionalist sentiment tearing them apart, the list just goes on.
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The Berbers would be nice but how helpful they'd be in practice is questionable. Otherwise it's a matter of whether we want to make nice with the Serbs for Solidarity or Russia for muscle.
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Hashim are you going to make the EU4 and V2 files downloadable? I want to lead Benin in to the Glorious Future.
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Dance Officer posted:The German revanchism is real. Agreed, i want to see all these countries imploding by the end. Specially Russia. And us. Again.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Hashim are you going to make the EU4 and V2 files downloadable? I want to lead Benin in to the Glorious Future. Do a Benin LP diverging from this timeline, TIA
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ZearothK posted:Do a Benin LP diverging from this timeline, TIA
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Dance Officer posted:The German revanchism is real. It would be interesting to see what ideologies English pops had at the end of Vicky. Since the flavour Hashim has given fascist France is all about the Franks and their aspirations to recreate a continental Central European empire, I could see them treating the English as second-class citizens, and the English chafing against that. Unless, of course, all the English pops are fascist anyway in which case they probably just came up with some weird ideological workaround for why England is a natural part of the Frankish Empire.
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In advance of the HoI 4 conversion, could we get a map of political ideologies? With so many revolts in so many countries, it's a little hard to keep track of who is what by the end of Vic2. I'd be more than happy to help out -- would just need save-game access 👀
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vyelkin posted:It would be interesting to see what ideologies English pops had at the end of Vicky. Since the flavour Hashim has given fascist France is all about the Franks and their aspirations to recreate a continental Central European empire, I could see them treating the English as second-class citizens, and the English chafing against that. Unless, of course, all the English pops are fascist anyway in which case they probably just came up with some weird ideological workaround for why England is a natural part of the Frankish Empire. You can definitely think a dictatorship is a great idea along nationalist lines. You know, take back are sovreinty.
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ZearothK posted:Do a Benin LP diverging from this timeline, TIA Yes please
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vyelkin posted:I could see them treating the English as second-class citizens, and the English chafing against that. La solution finale à la question Anglaise.
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vyelkin posted:It would be interesting to see what ideologies English pops had at the end of Vicky. Since the flavour Hashim has given fascist France is all about the Franks and their aspirations to recreate a continental Central European empire, I could see them treating the English as second-class citizens, and the English chafing against that. Unless, of course, all the English pops are fascist anyway in which case they probably just came up with some weird ideological workaround for why England is a natural part of the Frankish Empire. The English pops, especially in the south of England are probably a lot less 'English' and a lot more 'French with an accent' than OTL English. They've been part of 'France' for centuries. There might be Breton or Hungarian style separatists? I don't really recall there being a mass English separatist movement in the earlier chapters of vicky unlike OTL Hungary though but I could be misremembering.
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Archaeology Hat posted:The English pops, especially in the south of England are probably a lot less 'English' and a lot more 'French with an accent' than OTL English. They've been part of 'France' for centuries. I mean, maybe, but nationalism doesn't always work like that. Like, you mentioned the Hungarians already, but the Czechs were also part of Austria for centuries, but when it came time to choose their nationalism they definitely decided they weren't just Austrians with accents.
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tunapirate posted:In advance of the HoI 4 conversion, could we get a map of political ideologies? With so many revolts in so many countries, it's a little hard to keep track of who is what by the end of Vic2. Seconded. I want as many maps and charts as possible to find reasons why our workers paradise is best paradise. Also so I can start plotting my faction of Reds. The one good thing about being commie is that at least on the de jure level we should be egalitarian across gender and ethnic lines, even if it turns out our northern revolutionary leadership actively fucks with the Andalusi population and anyone within 5 degrees of a former member of the Majlis is viewed with outright suspicion. I wonder where our Al'iiarat AlRayiysiat Lilukhayimat (ADARL for short) have their primary locations. Probably in the Sistema Central, want it as far from the borders/ocean as possible to make sure enemies of the Revolution can't escape- plus plenty of hard labor to be done in the mines. e: apparently I can't copy Arabic script. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jan 16, 2019 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Hashim are you going to make the EU4 and V2 files downloadable? I want to lead Benin in to the Glorious Future. I wasn't gonna release it for a while because the mod is a bit of a hot mess at the moment (that's what happens when you continuously add new events/decisions/countries throughout the LP, I guess), but if people still wanna play it then I wouldn't mind uploading it earlier than intended. hashashash fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 16, 2019 |
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tunapirate posted:In advance of the HoI 4 conversion, could we get a map of political ideologies? With so many revolts in so many countries, it's a little hard to keep track of who is what by the end of Vic2. There's one more update to go in Vicky, just a state of the world to wrap things up, so I'll try and include a world map with country ideologies listed. If there's anything specific that you want to know, let me know and I'll include it.
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Does New England still want old England back? I could see them backing nationalist movements there or even intervening if France gets too weak.
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I'd like to request the industrial, population, tech, and military/naval tables including at least the big nations (and the Red Turbans!). Any details on major nation's ideological breakdowns (in govn't and among their populace) would also be appreciated.
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Grizzwold posted:Does New England still want old England back? I could see them backing nationalist movements there or even intervening if France gets too weak. They're likely focused on achieving dominance in Gharbia now, but I can imagine them agitating for the freedom of their cousins across the ocean, especially when they're chafing under the rule of fascists. They'll get focus that gives them a CB to free the Old English in HoI.
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The Smart thing to do is to find common cause with Russia against fascists. The Realistic thing is them spurring us and us ending up in a two front hellwar that ends up destroying everyone involved.
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Given how our allies usually end up, our best hope for ridding the world of the scourge of fascism is to ally with Francia
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:With HOI4’s limited time span covered I can’t foresee how we could over come the superior industrial output advantage, raw manpower to draw upon or rare resources our rivals will possess. It'll be very possible. France and Russia will have superior numbers and industry, but they currently have no other Great Powers as allies, and their massive empires will only make it more likely for other powers (Japan, China, Morocco etc) to snipe their colonies the moment that they get bogged down in a great war, giving them yet another enemy to fight and giving us allies of convenience. And the Iberian peninsula will be amongst the most industralised in the world, especially after a couple years dedicated to building civ and mil factories, only lagging behind places like New England and France-proper, so we should be able to support offensives for a few years at the very least. Plus, HoI4 AI isn't exactly amazing, so giving our traditional enemies hefty advantages in numbers and industry is the only way to really make it a half-even playing field. There's a lot of old rivalries and revanchism going around the world atm, so I wouldn't be so quick to predict which way it's gonna go. The globe's gonna be a shitshow when the war erupts, that's the only thing we can really expect right now.
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If you're going into detail, I'd like to see how things are going in the old Andalusi Caribbean colonies in Jamaica and the Lesser Antilles, the Russian (?) puppet states on the Aegean, and the North Sea Kingdom of Jerusalem.
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Hashim posted:Plus, HoI4 AI isn't exactly amazing, so giving our traditional enemies hefty advantages.... I supposed I didn’t take into account this timelines distribution of industrialization or manpower and just went off the default HOI4 allocations. Under the default start even if the Iberian peninsula just built factories from the start until the end date it would only amount to a fraction of the “majors” starting output. Starting manpower for a “minor” is even more of a discrepancy.
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Hashim posted:There's one more update to go in Vicky, just a state of the world to wrap things up, so I'll try and include a world map with country ideologies listed. If there's anything specific that you want to know, let me know and I'll include it. I'm assuming that in the interest of HoI 4 gameplay there will be some rough alliances (like the Absolutist Alliance) introduced by the end of Vic 2 -- my ~dream map~ would show both gov't ideology & alliance affiliation. Maybe block colors for the former and hatching for the latter ? It's a stretch goal for if you have the time 
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I feel like HOI4 will be extremely disappointing, owing to how bad the AI is. Y’all are expecting Francia or Russia to blitz the world, but I’m expecting Francia to send 10m men against fortified Pyrenees’s positions and end up with 1000:1 casualty ratios...
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