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Kobayashi posted:is Corbyn calling for people to hit the streets yet? Mike Skinner may be a twat but I'm not sure if that will help
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grill the meats e: drat you
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lol my dudes if you don't have vitamin p on ignore, save your braincells ffs
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Anyway here's a galaxy brain take from the guardian: Only a rupture with the EU will alter the failed status quo Larry Elliott article posted:[...] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/17/rupture-eu-brexit-reform oliwan has issued a correction as of 08:18 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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Guys you are not getting Vitamin P's point, you only ever vote once on anything in a referendum at most. The point of democracy and people's vote is to 100% never ever change your mind after seeing the results of what your vote has wrought. In this singular instance the normal democratic process has to be ignored because Brexit is a big deal (tm). Missinformation doesn't matter, the very real consequences don't matter, all that matters is that Vitamin P gets democracy or a warped version of it at least, because that'll get him Brexit.
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oliwan posted:Anyway here's a galaxy brain take from the guardian: quote:The financial crisis provided one such opportunity to reform an economic system that for many people clearly wasn’t working Larry Elliott does know we didn't actually do that right?
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Vitamin P posted:the first thing fascists and theocrats do is remove democracy. actually, the first thing they tend to do is call referendums legitimizing said power grabs. Go figure lol referendums are super dumb
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Elevator Screamer posted:Nobody knows for certain because  on everything from the existence of super injunctions to this gossip (which I all believe 100%) to reading the wiki article on the Kincora home
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post incoming that really doesn't belong ITT. But since these fuckers are propping up the Tories right now I guess maybe it might.
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Referendums legalised abortion in Ireland and might allow the prosecution of corrupt Mexican ex-presidents so like all questions of democracy it's about context and scope rather than 'lol letting proles directly decide something'. Everyone asking 'y no 2nd ref?' is really missing the point that the basic circumstances and the question that would be asked would essentially be unchanged and that it has been demanded from the second that Remain lost. It is very strongly associated with sour grapes from the losers and legitimizing the view that the EU and the UK state (I mean that's another can of worms) only allow democracy to happen when it gives them the answer they want. Understandly that is a really loving bad look that no one has countered properly.
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A big part of why people asked for a second ref is that there were people using the leave vote to vote against their sitting pighead fucker in chief. If the question hasn't fundamentally changed, if the outcome is not going to be different then why don't you call the 2nd ref? Nothing's going to change anyway and you get to come back and win points on the internet going I told you so.
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namesake posted:Referendums legalised abortion in Ireland and might allow the prosecution of corrupt Mexican ex-presidents so like all questions of democracy it's about context and scope rather than 'lol letting proles directly decide something'. we've got ourselves a galaxy brained centrist here folks
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An insane mind posted:A big part of why people asked for a second ref is that there were people using the leave vote to vote against their sitting pighead fucker in chief. while "we need a do-over because we voted to die solely to spite our swine-loving prime-minister" is an idiotic explanation, it is also a true one
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Yinlock posted:while "we need a do-over because we voted to die solely to spite our swine-loving prime-minister" is an idiotic explanation, it is also a true one The dumbest thing people in Britain did was using a vote on an international issue to show their displeasure on a national level. But they have and surprise they want a do-over, leave's only reason to not want a second referendum is that they know they won't have such a perfect storm of idiocy again. And they still won by what...2%, 3? On an international referendum that was treated as only advisory until it was clear leave won.
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oliwan posted:we've got ourselves a galaxy brained centrist here folks Hey hey, as a paid up galaxy brained centrist I take offence! We're asking for a second referendum, because of Russian cheating/nasty leave voters causing M&S closures/it'll annoy Jeremy/Saint Tony told us to* *delete as applicable
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An insane mind posted:The dumbest thing people in Britain did was using a vote on an international issue to show their displeasure on a national level. But they have and surprise they want a do-over, leave's only reason to not want a second referendum is that they know they won't have such a perfect storm of idiocy again. And they still won by what...2%, 3? On an international referendum that was treated as only advisory until it was clear leave won. The "it was advisory" is a bit misleading, the Tories said they would invoke A50 if Leave won Also remember that Brexit is really really popular for the Tories, the aftermath of the referendum was one where the Tories hoovered up millions of leave voters
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it owns that despite her deal being voted down in literally record smashing numbers May is refusing to change anything all about it
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Jose posted:it owns that despite her deal being voted down in literally record smashing numbers May is refusing to change anything all about it what could she change though
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Loads lol
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MikeCrotch posted:The "it was advisory" is a bit misleading, the Tories said they would invoke A50 if Leave won Ok, I misunderstood how stupid the Tories were being about the referendum but, tell me, if Brexit is so super duper popular and the Tories are hoovering up leavers left and right why did May's attempt to concolidate Tory power go so catastrophically?
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El Perkele posted:what could she change though everything
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superinjunctions are dumb as poo poo which is why australian newspapers all ran full page blackout censored articles on their front page about how some mystery member of the catholic church was convicted of historical child sex offences but we're not allowed to report on it gosh whatever could you do to find out, when the internet exists
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An insane mind posted:Ok, I misunderstood how stupid the Tories were being about the referendum but, tell me, if Brexit is so super duper popular and the Tories are hoovering up leavers left and right why did May's attempt to concolidate Tory power go so catastrophically? Basically because Tory MPs are much more split on whether hard/soft/no brexit is a good idea than Tory voters and members are (who want insanely hard brexit yesterday) Also don't forget that Theresa May was being talked about as the most popular prime minister in history prior to spectacularly loving up the 2017 election
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I remember reading about some people having vested financial interests in Brexit happening. Do you know examples and how this could even work at all? I can't come up with any examples short of people literally placing bets on Brexit happening.
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ted hitler posted:Do soyper injections appley to phasebook and Tweeter? idk about the uk but in australia, technically yes. iirc a state supreme court issued a worldwide injunction against twitter who said "lol we cannot police anonymous user content for whatever random thing you dont want people to talk about" and the response was something like "uh but you haven't PROVED that you can't do it!". i don't think anything actually happened enforcement wise, predictably.
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Honj Steak posted:I remember reading about some people having vested financial interests in Brexit happening. Do you know examples and how this could even work at all? I can't come up with any examples short of people literally placing bets on Brexit happening. itll create immediate insane problems with taxation and services and stuff that will provide lots of great opportunities for privatising poo poo and also just outright embezzling public money
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Honj Steak posted:I remember reading about some people having vested financial interests in Brexit happening. Do you know examples and how this could even work at all? I can't come up with any examples short of people literally placing bets on Brexit happening.
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Farm Frenzy posted:itll create immediate insane problems with taxation and services and stuff that will provide lots of great opportunities for privatising poo poo and also just outright embezzling public money The last bit is already happening, No Deal contracts are going to Tories and their relatives but 'twas ever thus in Westminster
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£14m was promised to a ferry company with no ships and a ToS taken from a food delivery company to operate a service between two ports which aren't functional and can't be ready in time lol
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Honj Steak posted:I remember reading about some people having vested financial interests in Brexit happening. Do you know examples and how this could even work at all? I can't come up with any examples short of people literally placing bets on Brexit happening. You could short sell British stocks or the pound, buy stock in competitors of British firms, or use your pounds to buy euros or dollars. These are probably the simplest ways, but you could also probably find opportunities to invest in firms that would benefit from a chaotic brexit in ways that aren’t immediately apparent. If you’ve got a lot of money to invest it could be worth a lot of time and trouble to figure out since you could make a fortune.
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Jose posted:Loads lol I remember when she became PM, a Tory MP (who knows who) leaked "she is the stupidest person we have in the party" - that was on Radio 4 6pm news. Whoever that was was right, and no, she can't change anything because she literally doesn't understand how to do that. Stopped listening to R4 not long after and only R6 now, it doesn't give me panic attacks.
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Honj Steak posted:I remember reading about some people having vested financial interests in Brexit happening. Do you know examples and how this could even work at all? I can't come up with any examples short of people literally placing bets on Brexit happening. https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/brexit/what-will-the-uk-government-officially-ration-first-in-2019
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hakimashou posted:You could short sell British stocks or the pound, buy stock in competitors of British firms, or use your pounds to buy euros or dollars. I LOVE MY ASSAULT RIFLE 15 WITH ITS HIGH CAPACITY CLIP/MAGAZINE hell yeah post with us in the guns thread
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Honj Steak posted:I remember reading about some people having vested financial interests in Brexit happening. Do you know examples and how this could even work at all? I can't come up with any examples short of people literally placing bets on Brexit happening. scooping up supply contracts and selling the chopped up corpses of freshly privatised public infrastructure you purchased for pence on the pound edit- Elman posted:https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/brexit/what-will-the-uk-government-officially-ration-first-in-2019 oh my god
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Honj Steak posted:I remember reading about some people having vested financial interests in Brexit happening. Do you know examples and how this could even work at all? I can't come up with any examples short of people literally placing bets on Brexit happening. The funniest example is that 200 million pounds were earmarked for shipping companies to take on some of the burden of transport in the case of Brexiting with no trade deal in place. 14 of those went to a company that was created just to siphon off some of that government dime, owns no ships, and whose Terms of Service are entirely based around pizza delivery. There's a ton of grifts like this already happening, most of them a bit more subtle, but a huge chunk of the treasury is inevitably going to end up in private pockets due to a mix of government incompetence and deliberate embezzlement. The pizza ferry services and constant public statements like "there will be adequate food (no we will not explain why we believe this or show any preparations we've made to ensure it)," "ok maybe we won't get broccoli but you can bet the nation will be able to live off rice and beans" have also made it clear that any Brexit deal will result in massive shortages, so loads of people with capitalist tendencies have begun amassing stockpiles of food and products that they intend to sell to impoverished Brits at a huge markup.
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