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Phlegmish posted:Maybe Archer? It's a pretty good-looking series. I was about to say this. It’s deceptive on the surface with its flash-puppet adult swim looking aesthetic, but holy crap there’s real good art everywhere in it.
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1500quidpoocati posted:I was watching some of the first season of Duckman the other day and thought of this thread. Rick and Morty is pretty good, and Venture Bros is actually great and contrasts strongly with almost everything else on TV by just being quality, traditional animation which is a rare sight on TV nowadays, the backgrounds especially are stellar. Having said that you can see in lots of instances when they are budging up against the limit of their budget. No offense to anyone else here, but I simply do not see Bojack Horseman, Archer and most other similar shows as well animated, they're very rigid and clearly use a lot of computer animation shortcuts like Tweening when I think they would be better served by more traditional animation. Like they will never be accused of going off model but I personally don't see that as necessarily a good thing. Also, as I've said before, for some arcane reason lots of Kids TV these days like Steven Universe, Gravity Falls and even She-Ra looks a lot better than adult orientated stuff.
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Jan 15, 2019 19:38
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pooch516 posted:Venture Brothers? That gets better-looking every season and still manages to pull off the old-school cartoon look. Venture Bros did and still does everything on a shoestring budget It's a miracle it looks as good as it does
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Data Graham posted:I was about to say this. It’s deceptive on the surface with its flash-puppet adult swim looking aesthetic, but holy crap there’s real good art everywhere in it. If you have any examples, I'd be interested in seeing. I've seen bits and pieces from it but was always turned away by the animation looking all stiff and rotoscoped, like someone put real footage of very very stiff people through a filter. But the things they say are usually quick, witty and funny. I tried a Green Russian after overhearing that one bit.
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Plant MONSTER. posted:If you have any examples, I'd be interested in seeing. I've seen bits and pieces from it but was always turned away by the animation looking all stiff and rotoscoped, like someone put real footage of very very stiff people through a filter. I don't know if this is the article I read or if it was just a similar one, but: https://www.awn.com/animationworld/minimalist-animation-archer It's an interview and so naturally won't exactly present an unbiased reviewer's opinion or convince you that you really saw something you didn't see, but there's a lot going on underneath the flatness.
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Jan 15, 2019 20:59
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Data Graham posted:I don't know if this is the article I read or if it was just a similar one, but: https://www.awn.com/animationworld/minimalist-animation-archer So there really is lot more to the animation and style than I thought. The backgrounds and how those spaces are built in 3D is really interesting. Might have to watch Archer.
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Jan 15, 2019 21:32
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I didn't even find the Rover Hendrix joke to be that bad, really. Just another joke that didn't land perfectly. It was only until I listened to the Talking Simpsons episode where they mentioned it and everyone in the writing team groaning over it during the commentary that I realized everybody universally hated that joke in the episode.
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Jan 15, 2019 22:06
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pooch516 posted:Venture Brothers? That gets better-looking every season and still manages to pull off the old-school cartoon look. I think of my favorite stories about that show was the fact that the artists just had an old Sears catalog from the 70s that they'd go through, and they'd just put stuff from that in the background.
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Jan 16, 2019 00:26
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I thought Rover Hendrix was a perfectly cromulent and good quick joke In modern Simpsons it would’ve been the flagship joke of the episode and Homer would’ve gone GASP IS THAT JIMI HENDRIX'S DOG while purple haze played in the background
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Jan 16, 2019 01:47
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The animation is probably the only negative thing I can say about Bojack other than that the first few episodes are not good. They put decent effort into dressing it up but you can still tell that it’s flash puppet animation. The big difference between it and Archer is that the characters are very expressive and full of motion. Rick and Morty does have pretty solid animation outside of the bland human character models.
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Jan 16, 2019 02:40
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Calaveron posted:I thought Rover Hendrix was a perfectly cromulent and good quick joke It stinks.
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Jan 16, 2019 10:55
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I've always found the art style in Bojack ugly, which is one reason I put off watching it for so long, and there's not much to say about the animation aside from a couple episodes like "Downer Ending" and "Stupid Piece of poo poo" where they get more creative. The style has grown on me a bit, but it's not a show I'd recommend on that basis
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Archer's animation is definitely not for everyone, and I was turned off by how stiff and janky it looked in season 1, but you can definitely see the art improving from season to season. Here's a clip from season 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AspzkkQr-Ag&t=10s (stay behind the timestamp if you want to avoid season 5 spoilers) Even if you don't love the style, you can easily tell that the artists are trying their darndest to push the boundaries of flash animation and pouring a lot of love into their work. Gravity Falls is probably the most gorgeous animated show I've seen to date: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2DUpDxFJyg
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Jan 16, 2019 11:41
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The animation in the mr poopy butthole Rick and morty episode when the parasites die and transform back into their natural form is really cool and good
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Jan 16, 2019 11:50
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A lot of modern western cartoons have hanna-barbera style flat, simple character designs but with anime style action and movement, which I like. It's Hanna-Barbanime
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Jan 16, 2019 18:13
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Unikitty is aight
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Not a Children posted:Venture Bros did and still does everything on a shoestring budget When you take two years to make 10 episodes you can do almost anything on the cheap.
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Jan 16, 2019 18:49
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Better than 10 years for 2 episodes like every British “series”
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Jan 16, 2019 22:09
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Calaveron posted:I thought Rover Hendrix was a perfectly cromulent and good quick joke Homer and Selma set off on a mission to return Jini Mendrix's dog to his heirs.
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Jan 17, 2019 00:23
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I'll admit I had to look up Rover Hendrix cus I couldn't remember it, which probably says how bad of a joke it was. It was so bad that for a long while I didn't "get it" - I assumed that it was referencing something I didn't know about, because it seemed so unfunny that it must have just been a joke / reference I didn't get. How optimistic I was. That episode, looking back, feels like a sign of things to come. It certainly wasn't a bad episode, but it had an over-the-top plot, tons of guest appearances as themselves, and a few bad jokes. Like a proto version of modern Simpsons.
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Jan 17, 2019 00:51
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It also had some awful wooden voice acting from musicians
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Jan 17, 2019 00:58
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Would anyone even notice if they just started writing Simpsons episodes with a Markov bot?
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Jan 17, 2019 01:05
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Improbable Lobster posted:It also had some awful wooden voice acting from musicians Oh you mean like every time a musician or athlete guest stars on literally every TV show?
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Well What Now posted:Would anyone even notice if they just started writing Simpsons episodes with a Markov bot? I'd respect it more tbh
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Jan 17, 2019 01:26
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I remember thinking the Rover Hendrix joke was a reference to something I didn’t know, but then I heard the commentary and nope, it’s just Jimi Hendrix’s dog. It’s a lazy joke but not noteworthy bad.
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yeah, the rover hendrix thing is just a quick dud, nothing particularly noteworthy imho
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I watched Mr. Plow, and after 27 years just realized the two snowmen that melt are from Raiders of the Lost Ark
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Recently I listened to the Talking Simpsons for the episode where Lisa and Bart go to the military academy (end of season 8). Thinking back on it, it's not a great episode outside of Bart's megaphone prank. I think season 9 is really where things start to turn, but season 8 has some garbage too
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Rewatched $pringfield. The streets paved in gold is so wonderful. And the factory for aquacars
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MNIMWA posted:Recently I listened to the Talking Simpsons for the episode where Lisa and Bart go to the military academy (end of season 8). Thinking back on it, it's not a great episode outside of Bart's megaphone prank. I think season 9 is really where things start to turn, but season 8 has some garbage too You should probably go back and rewatch it then, because I think it holds up pretty well. It has a lot of touching moments and somedy in it. -Megaphone prank -I'll Die before I surrender, Tim -Marge singing to Lisa on the tape -Welcome to Flavor country and one of my favorite lines: "That was some good corn"
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ExplodingSims posted:You should probably go back and rewatch it then, because I think it holds up pretty well. It has a lot of touching moments and somedy in it. Agreed. Also: -therefore, you will the last class to face this challenge -wars fought in outer space or a very tall mountains, with tiny robots -company L smells
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As I've mentioned, I'm rewatching season 10 and it's at best and worst uneven. Some episodes feel like they could be from season 6 or later and some feel like they could be from seasons 11-14, but they'd easily be the highlights of those seasons. Some episodes have a solid plot through all three acts and some have a wacky first act that gives way to the actual plot in acts 2 and 3 (a hallmark of later seasons). Most of the jokes still work, there's a lot of experimentation with the animation (D'oh'in in the Wind isn't great but does this), and aside from Homer the characters are still basically themselves. Homer is all over the place. Sometimes he's sentimental, sometimes he's dumber than a bag of sheep poo poo, and sometimes he's just a jerk. It's like he has schizophrenia or something from episode to episode. Also, there are touching moments even in stupid episodes. Bart the Mother in particular has that great moment where Marge tells Bart to run for it. So yeah, I'm happy including season 10 in the "good run" part of the seasons, but it also came out twenty years ago.
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Atlas Hugged posted:As I've mentioned, I'm rewatching season 10 and it's at best and worst uneven. Some episodes feel like they could be from season 6 or later and some feel like they could be from seasons 11-14, but they'd easily be the highlights of those seasons. Some episodes have a solid plot through all three acts and some have a wacky first act that gives way to the actual plot in acts 2 and 3 (a hallmark of later seasons). Most of the jokes still work, there's a lot of experimentation with the animation (D'oh'in in the Wind isn't great but does this), and aside from Homer the characters are still basically themselves. Homer is all over the place. Sometimes he's sentimental, sometimes he's dumber than a bag of sheep poo poo, and sometimes he's just a jerk. It's like he has schizophrenia or something from episode to episode. Also, there are touching moments even in stupid episodes. Bart the Mother in particular has that great moment where Marge tells Bart to run for it. Bart the Mother could pass for a season 8 episode, yeah. On the other hand, the episode where Homer becomes an outsider artist is one I really hate.
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Bart the Mother could pass for a season 8 episode, yeah. On the other hand, the episode where Homer becomes an outsider artist is one I really hate. We got the "Why doesn't mine look like that!?" joke out of it which has survived the ages at least.
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If I had to pick a definitive end of Classic Simpsons to be memorialized in the TV canon (while having everything else dumped down the memory hole), I'd place it at "Behind the Laughter". Yes, that means you'd have to include Season 11, which has some real stinkers.
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That's the episode I stopped at the last time I watched through the series. I did skip quite a few episodes in seasons 9 through 11, there are probably only enough good episodes to make one season out of those 3. Then I pretend the last 20 years never happened 
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Mantis42 posted:If I had to pick a definitive end of Classic Simpsons to be memorialized in the TV canon (while having everything else dumped down the memory hole), I'd place it at "Behind the Laughter". I either mentioned thin this thread, or a different thread that had a Simpsons tangent recently, it's hard to tell, they all blur together, but when I saw Beyond Blunderdome for the first time, it was the moment I realized the Simpsons was no longer the same show it used to be. My current collection ends at season 8, but I'm not really sure if I should end it at 10 or 11. 11 makes sense because of Behind the Laughter as a good endcap, also giving the series a proper arc of being good and then falling from grace. After several years of not watching the Simpsons, after Mr. Plow and Lisa's First Word last night, I definitely need to order season one and begin a rewatch of the golden age. It's been way too long, and I've kinda missed it.
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spaceblancmange posted:That's the episode I stopped at the last time I watched through the series. I did skip quite a few episodes in seasons 9 through 11, there are probably only enough good episodes to make one season out of those 3. Then I pretend the last 20 years never happened I've always felt that this was either disingenuous or just rose tinted. If we table Season 1 as its own thing and just look at the 2-8 run, there are some real crappy episodes mixed in. Not every episode was amazing, some were mediocre, some downright bad. Seasons 2-3 especially weren't perfect. If you took only the gold from 9-11, you'd end up with a really great season, but as they are, 9 and 10 are good enough. 11 probably not.
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Atlas Hugged posted:If you took only the gold from 9-11 wow, just wow.
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Behind the Laughter is basically the series finale for the good part of the series- the drop off in quality from 8 to 11 is nowhere near the drop from 11 to 13. 12 was the first season where I started asking: is this worth setting aside time to watch every week? And 13 was the season where I answered “no”.
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