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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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I feel like a lot of these projections are overlooking the fact that the government shutdown is a legitimate, slowly-escalating crisis, the Mueller investigation will mercifully, hopefully wrap up sometime this year, children are dying on the border, the stock market nearly collapsed over Christmas, climate change is already causing noticeable, serious, devastating effects in the US, we're dick deep in a trade war with China, and the price of everything keeps going up. All this is to say, I can hardly imagine what next month will look like, much less next year.
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Jan 18, 2019 02:44
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The Thin Blue vote was from 2017. I mean, I just don't get why Mother Jones is digging through his voting record now and not 6 months ago.
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Jan 18, 2019 02:47
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Stonelegs posted:I just did a quick scan of his ontheissues page and he seems pretty boilerplate Democrat to me. What's the disqualifier? to answer in the form of a Buzzfeed headline, Should Trying To Form A Union Be Punishable By Force Of Law? This Up And Coming Democrat's Answer Will Shock You!
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Jan 18, 2019 02:48
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The Thin Blue vote was from 2017. I mean, I just don't get why Mother Jones is digging through his voting record now and not 6 months ago. we all really, really wanted to get rid of ted cruz we were willing to overlook some failings in the name of getting rid of ted cruz, on the grounds that it was texas. in an environment where less bad options for the position exist, suddenly a lot of the poo poo that can be explained away by shrugging and saying "texas" becomes answerable with "let's not get a loving candidate from texas then"
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Jan 18, 2019 02:50
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The Thin Blue vote was from 2017. I mean, I just don't get why Mother Jones is digging through his voting record now and not 6 months ago. Because for all his faults Beto is still better than Ted Cruz and they didn't want to sabotage his chances in that race.
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Jan 18, 2019 02:50
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:to answer in the form of a Buzzfeed headline, Should Trying To Form A Union Be Punishable By Force Of Law? This Up And Coming Democrat's Answer Will Shock You! So I just read this article: https://theintercept.com/2019/01/13/beto-o-rourke-public-sector-unions/ I can see how his fight with public sector unions early on would lead to some sweet twitter callouts, but on the whole he appears to be fairly pro-labor. I say that because of this: https://aflcio.org/scorecard/legislators/beto-orourke Seems like a cool dude.
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Jan 18, 2019 03:00
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What happened to Beto is perhaps one of the best examples of the Streisand effect. When a bunch of news outlets started reporting on Beto meeting with Obama to discuss 2020, a few more lefty journalists tweeted some stuff about his voting record and his donors. Stuff that would have been forgotten after a week. But then a lot of the Clinton loyalists looking for a new host to attach themselves to decided to go overboard in their defenses of Beto. And so you ended up with people talking about the "Bernie falangists," the "forces aligned with Bernie" all unfairly targeting Beto. Which in turn led to a bunch of non-lefty journalists to examine Beto's record and conclude that, yep, he is a conservative democrat. As a result, his name was removed from a pledge he had signed regarding fossil fuels, reporters decided to ask him where he actually stood on the issues, and even Chris Cillizza called out Beto for being an empty suit. In other words, had Beto been running as a conservative democrat all along, there wouldn't be an issue, but he tried to do the "be vague so you can be everything to everyone" strategy and that sort of became impossible when the Neera Tandens and Sady Doyles of the world went overboard in attacking anyone who looked at his record.
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Jan 18, 2019 03:04
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I think that the hate on Beto has gone too far. If he's the right wing of the D party, I'm very fine with that. That doesn't mean he's going to be on my top 10 list of primary candidates.
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Jan 18, 2019 03:06
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I think the hate is on just the right level: "Stay your rear end in Texas."
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Jan 18, 2019 03:08
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mcmagic posted:I think that the hate on Beto has gone too far. If he's the right wing of the D party, I'm very fine with that. That doesn't mean he's going to be on my top 10 list of primary candidates. This is a reasonable thought process and I appreciate it.
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Jan 18, 2019 03:12
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Stonelegs posted:I just did a quick scan of his ontheissues page and he seems pretty boilerplate Democrat to me. What's the disqualifier? "boilerplate Democrat" is the disqualifier. The "middle of the road" approach is a sure loss in today's political environment. mcmagic posted:I think that the hate on Beto has gone too far. If he's the right wing of the D party, I'm very fine with that. That doesn't mean he's going to be on my top 10 list of primary candidates. I think it's both necessary and good to point out and disqualify bad candidates for the bad things they say and do, this is what things like primaries are supposed to do and part of how you root out corruption
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Jan 18, 2019 03:19
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Sanguinia posted:I feel like unless Liz Warren succeeds in her effort to rebuild her national profile after a year of stepping on rakes (which is doubtless why she declared so early) the race is going to come down to Bernie vs whoever among the Top Three Ladies finds a way to distinguish herself and pull ahead of the pack. I honestly don't know enough about Gillibrand, Harris or Klobuchar to hazard a guess who that might be. A lot of people have written off Tulsi Gabbard for her past, but I think she's a wildcard, and a LOT will depend on how those first few debates go. She riles up a lot of lovely people like the permanent bi-partisan neocon foreign policy establishment and hypocritical partisan hack careerists who are all trying to kill her campaign dead before it gets going. Nobody is mad or nervous about guys like Cory Booker or Julian Castro because they're non-entities, I actually expect both of them to be out of the race by Sept/Oct. I think the media and the powers that be have has settled on Beto O'Rourke and they're gonna push him really loving hard. He's gonna be their "white Obama" and its gonna be him vs. whoever the left or progressive candidate ends up being. Gresh fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Jan 18, 2019 03:22
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Not American so slightly less in the loop. Has Clinton confirmed she’s done with the whole running for president thing? I’m guessing so, since even Joseph made the poll, so she must be even less likely to win/said she’s not running (which Stalin has yet to decide)
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Jan 18, 2019 03:37
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I don't think Beto's going anywhere. Even staunchly anti-Bernie publications and columnists like the Root, Mother Jones and Chris Cillizza are calling out his strategy of trying to be everything to everyone and being an empty suit.
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Jan 18, 2019 03:38
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Real Cool Catfish posted:Not American so slightly less in the loop. She won't run, but she'll likely make an endorsement and give whoever that candidate is a significant bump.
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Jan 18, 2019 03:39
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Pylons posted:She won't run, but she'll likely make an endorsement and give whoever that candidate is a significant bump. She has the stink of a loser to her.
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Jan 18, 2019 04:11
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Judakel posted:She has the stink of a loser to her. I think there are still a fair amount within the party that would consider her endorsement pretty heavily.
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Jan 18, 2019 04:14
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Pylons posted:I think there are still a fair amount within the party that would consider her endorsement pretty heavily. Even more would be heavily warded off though, she's basically democratic poison after 2016
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Jan 18, 2019 04:17
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joepinetree posted:I don't think Beto's going anywhere. Even staunchly anti-Bernie publications and columnists like the Root, Mother Jones and Chris Cillizza are calling out his strategy of trying to be everything to everyone and being an empty suit. This, and he’s spent the last couple weeks doing very not ready for primetime poo poo like the dental livestream and his small press short story Medium posts. I’m increasingly not convinced he’s even going to run.
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Jan 18, 2019 04:17
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Pylons posted:I think there are still a fair amount within the party that would consider her endorsement pretty heavily. You can hear the voters sigh when people trot her out.
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Jan 18, 2019 04:18
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Yinlock posted:Even more would be heavily warded off though, she's basically democratic poison after 2016 For progressives, sure, but for one of the neoliberals looking to stand out from the rest, an endorsement from Hillary would do that.
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Jan 18, 2019 04:20
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Pylons posted:For progressives, sure, but for one of the neoliberals looking to stand out from the rest, an endorsement from Hillary would do that. A neoliberal has a snowball's chance in hell in this environment. I wonder if the DNC even cares.
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Jan 18, 2019 04:26
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Real Cool Catfish posted:Not American so slightly less in the loop. She has, but also confirmed she wasn't running for president before the last two times she ran for president so no one can actually say for sure.
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Jan 18, 2019 04:31
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Jan 18, 2019 04:48
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Pylons posted:For progressives, sure, but for one of the neoliberals looking to stand out from the rest, an endorsement from Hillary would do that. Progressives are who the Democrats need and are trying(poorly) to court right now
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Jan 18, 2019 04:51
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The DNC's big plan was probably Joe Kennedy. They're going to scrambling all the way up to the general.
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Jan 18, 2019 04:59
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Z. Autobahn posted:Hillary endorses Bernie, triggering the Third Impact that would genuinely be the most brain-destroying "what did you think you were doing" possible option, and as such i wholly endorse it
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Jan 18, 2019 06:27
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Stonelegs posted:I just did a quick scan of his ontheissues page and he seems pretty boilerplate Democrat to me. What's the disqualifier? It's more that there's a disconnect between how he was portrayed/perceived (as a "more progressive than your average Democrat" candidate) and the reality (that he's actually a bit more conservative than the median Democrat). Until a lot of his history came to light, there were debates in this thread's predecessor about whether Beto was actually progressive. mcmagic posted:I think that the hate on Beto has gone too far. If he's the right wing of the D party, I'm very fine with that. That doesn't mean he's going to be on my top 10 list of primary candidates. I don't think there's anything inconsistent or wrong with someone saying "I think more center/conservative-leaning Democrats are flat-out bad" and applying that to Beto. Where's the harm in it? Obviously if someone agrees with the center/center-left in terms of ideology/policy, they're going to disagree with that (for example, it makes sense for Stonelegs above to feel that way, since he explicitly identifies as center-left/neoliberal), but I don't see why someone who considers their views to be radically left-wing would have a problem with it. The guy isn't even running for anything right now, so it's not like there's a "he's still better than the Republican" counter-argument. It makes sense to dissuade him from running in a primary where better candidates exist. Z. Autobahn posted:This, and he’s spent the last couple weeks doing very not ready for primetime poo poo like the dental livestream and his small press short story Medium posts. I’m increasingly not convinced he’s even going to run. I'm honestly kind of confused seeing his post-election behavior and trying to figure out how he managed to be so popular during his Senate election.
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Jan 18, 2019 07:53
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Ytlaya posted:I'm honestly kind of confused seeing his post-election behavior and trying to figure out how he managed to be so popular during his Senate election. some people really loving like Baba O'Riley
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Jan 18, 2019 08:38
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Ytlaya posted:I'm honestly kind of confused seeing his post-election behavior and trying to figure out how he managed to be so popular during his Senate election. Anybody looks good next to Ted Cruz. Plus he could imitate Obama's cadence and raised a shitload of money and that gets the liberal pundit class hot and bothered.
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Jan 18, 2019 08:41
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can someone confirm whether or not it is bannable or probatable to spam this thread with bernie posts thanks in advance
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Jan 18, 2019 08:45
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Honestly I never got the Beto hype. Even if you're more moderate there are other choices who have done stuff on the national stage. Being that close in Texas is impressive, but not really much of a resume for the presidency.quote:A lot of people have written off Tulsi Gabbard for her past, but I think she's a wildcard, and a LOT will depend on how those first few debates go. She riles up a lot of lovely people like the permanent bi-partisan neocon foreign policy establishment and hypocritical partisan hack careerists who are all trying to kill her campaign dead before it gets going. Nobody is mad or nervous about guys like Cory Booker or Julian Castro because they're non-entities, I actually expect both of them to be out of the race by Sept/Oct. I think the media and the powers that be have has settled on Beto O'Rourke and they're gonna push him really loving hard. He's gonna be their "white Obama" and its gonna be him vs. whoever the left or progressive candidate ends up being. Tulsi is pretty poo poo by almost any means. A conservative voting record, a really spotty record when it comes to gay marriage even compared to most of the establishment. She's 'conflicted' on torture. She called for Obama to drone more people in the Middle East and has ties to the Hindu nationalist BJP. Her anti-interventionist stance also seems quite odd when she does poo poo like celebrate Sisi's coming to power even though he couped a democratic government. The only good points she has are 'Endorsed Bernie.' and maybe being somewhat less interventionist but honestly between her support for people like the BJP and Sisi that seems somewhat suspect to me. Gorelab fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Jan 18, 2019 09:01
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reignonyourparade posted:She has, but also confirmed she wasn't running for president before the last two times she ran for president so no one can actually say for sure. My The West Wing binging past self longs for the time when Sherman denials were a thing.
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Jan 18, 2019 11:24
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Gresh posted:A lot of people have written off Tulsi Gabbard for her past, but I think she's a wildcard, and a LOT will depend on how those first few debates go. She riles up a lot of lovely people like the permanent bi-partisan neocon foreign policy establishment and hypocritical partisan hack careerists who are all trying to kill her campaign dead before it gets going. the big problem with this is that she's merely a different kind of lovely interventionist hawk. she's been agitating against pakistan for years for example. https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/935609290311852032?s=21 you can make some sort of triangulation-based argument that president gabbard and the foreign policy establishment would reach some sort of stalemate but that's not super appealing to me.
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Jan 18, 2019 11:46
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gabbard is also another democrat who was against gay marriage and abortion until she coincidentally started having national political aspirations. there's a bunch of easily quotable stuff (admittedly from from 20ish years ago) about her railing against homosexual activists shoving their agenda down children's throats. that plus being the token democrat to buy into the obama won't say radical islam nonsense makes it hard for me to be too enthusiastic about her
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Jan 18, 2019 12:12
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Stonelegs posted:So I just read this article: No billionaire is a cool dude, he’s human scum
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Jan 18, 2019 14:50
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Because: a) he likes to talk about unions, and his policy positions seem pretty left if you boil them all down to just headlines with no detail. plus he has a pretty low profile with little real media interest so it's hard to just stumble across more details without looking for them b) conservative nevertrump pundits have been trying real hard to sell him as the new progressive hope for the Democratic Party, so the only media coverage he's getting is unabashed puff pieces from ex-Republicans like Jennifer Rubin and Max Boot
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Jan 18, 2019 15:46
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i forgot to add any actual support for gabbard and the obama won't say radical islam thing, so enjoy i guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC67E_3KOJQ
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Jan 18, 2019 16:31
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So which candidate has the best chance of running and winning against President Pence? I had this bizarre scenario flit through my head earlier today where Trump is impeached, Pence becomes VP, appoints, say, Romney as his own VP, then Pence resigns in advance of impeachment, then all the Democrats are suddently running against President Romney instead of against Trump I mean we live in Calvinball times
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I had this bizarre scenario flit through my head earlier today where Trump is impeached, yeah that does sound pretty bizarre
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