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Yeah, carving out your own little place in the world feels like how it's meant to be played, but there is definitely room for alternative ways of playing.
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Jan 17, 2019 14:49
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Frankly I shove most of my fighters into Samauri Boots once I can, because every bit of not being hurt helps and it is super annoying to finish a fight to find people limping and slow. Splinting only helps so much and if newbies are being outright knocked unconscious and it was a tough fight you cannot necessarily carry everyone who is slowing you down. Later game? Well specialist quality Samauri Boots only lower athletics by 15% whilst giving 70% cutting resistance and over 50% blunt resistance, that is a lot of armour even if it only triggers 40% of the time.
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Jan 17, 2019 16:31
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Samurai boots suck. It's either sandals, drifters boots or masterwork plated longboots (no athletics penalty at masterwork) for me. Athletics penalty for 40% leg coverage is... not good and sandals own in spite of looking a bit goofy depending on whatever else you are wearing. If they aren't masterwork there's even a combat speed penalty on there too. Combat speed is real important. EDIT: Having less leg protection is fine anyways. Sometimes your leg gets cut off but this is an opportunity once you are established, not a bad thing. Scout legs in particular own a lot. As an added bonus, if your leg gets hosed up next time you can repair kit it and limping is not a problem. Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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Jan 17, 2019 17:11
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Yup. Stealing high end robotic limbs from skeleton city is a rite of passage
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Jan 17, 2019 17:18
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If you're running in a group with some Shek, then your speed is generally going to be slowed down by the Shek anyways. All the bonus speed doesn't matter for most squad movement if it takes you over your slowest buddy. 5% combat speed's nice but if that's your only bonus combat speed then eh, survivability's better. Stack it or don't. Especially against security spiders that can yank off your limbs if you let them. You can just pull off your boots if you're in full retreat and outrun anyone else whether or not you're wearing sandals. Although yes absolutely missing limbs are really just a reason to get better ones.
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Jan 17, 2019 17:19
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TGLT posted:If you're running in a group with some Shek, then your speed is generally going to be slowed down by the Shek anyways. All the bonus speed doesn't matter for most squad movement if it takes you over your slowest buddy. 5% combat speed's nice but if that's your only bonus combat speed then eh, survivability's better. Stack it or don't. Especially against security spiders that can yank off your limbs if you let them. You can just pull off your boots if you're in full retreat and outrun anyone else whether or not you're wearing sandals. Shek get sandals automatically for this reason. Highest leg hp and lowest speed. In the event they lose a leg due to naked feets it's a positive and now you've got a badass with a scout leg.
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Jan 17, 2019 17:20
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Moonshine Rhyme posted:Yup. Stealing high end robotic limbs from skeleton city is a rite of passage I would never steal from my skelebros. That's where I go to spend my money legitimately after stealing from everyone else.
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Jan 17, 2019 17:23
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I could see dropping heavy armor for combat speed penalties, but for athletics? The difference on higher levels of that is minuscule.
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Jan 17, 2019 17:28
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Broken Cog posted:I could see dropping heavy armor for combat speed penalties, but for athletics? The difference on higher levels of that is minuscule. Gotta go fast
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Jan 17, 2019 17:29
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TGLT posted:Although yes absolutely missing limbs are really just a reason to get better ones. It's actually a reason to retire, not succumb to Narko's heresy! Okran's light cannot be denied!
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Jan 17, 2019 17:35
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dogstile posted:It's actually a reason to retire, not succumb to Narko's heresy! The real purpose of skeleton legs is to kick Okranites in the nuts.
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Jan 17, 2019 18:01
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dogstile posted:It's actually a reason to retire, not succumb to Narko's heresy! I wandered up to Narko's Trap with the butcher spider mod installed the other day. I snuck in, unlocked all the gates and pulled out a train of a half dozen angry security/butcher spiders who killed everyone in the little fort out there. As it should be.
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Jan 17, 2019 18:03
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What are the best ways to make money starting off? I'm only a few hours in but so far I'm still having trouble saving enough funds to recruit even the cheapest NPCs, so far I'm just wandering around with Ruka and one other Shek I got for 3000. Other than that mining, thievery, and looting bandits seems to only ever net me a few hundred cats at a time after I've gone and paid for food, bandages, and beds for my party in between travels.
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Jan 17, 2019 19:24
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Hang around Squin or other cities, waiting for bandits or animals to make suicide attacks on the guards. Then loot them before the guards can lock them up. Alternatively you can just lure the enemies to the guards yourself, but that can require a fast runner.
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Jan 17, 2019 19:29
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If you want a few thousand cash quick, west of Squin there is a Shek Ruin. Go there and press ALT, it will highlight all lootable items on the floor, and there's almost always 3-4 chain shirts laying around, these can be worth a lot. Another way is to head for the Hiver Village North West of the Hub. Try luring Beak Things or Gorillos to the village and let the guards kill them. Take their skins, and sell them in the local general store.
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Jan 17, 2019 19:42
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three major ways of making money early: "stealing" (picking up stuff lying around) in town not in boxes always succeeds and increases your steal skill, just drop and pick up stuff over and over until you've got it as high as you like, then steal and sell to the town next door mining copper is a boring but slow and steady and relatively safe way of getting cash, you can buy a small shack in town or just found a small village with nothing in it but and ore and food store and just run away with your food every raid training things into town guards and then looting the corpses - insulting mercenary companies until they attack you and then running to tell guard mommy is the best because they have expensive gear
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quote:If you want a few thousand cash quick, west of Squin there is a Shek Ruin. Go there and press ALT, it will highlight all lootable items on the floor, and there's almost always 3-4 chain shirts laying around, these can be worth a lot. quote:training things into town guards and then looting the corpses - insulting mercenary companies until they attack you and then running to tell guard mommy is the best because they have expensive gear Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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Jan 17, 2019 20:18
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I've used mercenaries from the Waystation nearby to raid the Band of Bones camp south of Squin to collect the 10k bounty + loot. Used the other 22 hours of merc time to just murder bandits and collect their loot or hunt animals to start up my leather working and a pile of meat, they can easily handle Garru and whatnot. If you're feeling extra cheesy you can do the same thing to the Dust King for even more cash and loot
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Jan 17, 2019 20:30
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Davos posted:What are the best ways to make money starting off? I'm only a few hours in but so far I'm still having trouble saving enough funds to recruit even the cheapest NPCs, so far I'm just wandering around with Ruka and one other Shek I got for 3000. Other than that mining, thievery, and looting bandits seems to only ever net me a few hundred cats at a time after I've gone and paid for food, bandages, and beds for my party in between travels. Steal poo poo man. Wait until night, break into shops and just take whatever isn't in a container. It won't trigger any checks to get caught and you'll level your stealth and thievery skills real quick. After a short while you can start taking stuff from chests and safes. You'll make loads of bank and since you can apply the ol five finger discount to whatever gear that takes your fancy you can direct all your cash to hiring companions and mercs, joining the ninjas, and buying some property. Also, if your assassination skill isn't terrible you can knock out sleeping residents and never have a chance to get caught when stealing from containers.
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Totally works on awake residents, too. One of my favourite strategies is basically a standard shoplifter team: one guy positions himself behind the shopkeeper or any guards, the others run around like dumbasses to attract their attention. Since NPCs have vision cones, they can only barely notice you if you have decent stealth values and are behind them. Knock 'em all out, grab all the stuff, make out like a bandit.
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Jan 17, 2019 21:35
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It is also possible to train Stealth by putting one of your characters on stealth mode then setting them to follow anyone who is moving in town. Leave them for a day or three and they will turn into some kind of absurd super ninja. A character with 80+ stealth wearing appropriate gear can in low light conditions literally walk in front of somebody without them noticing, it can be a huge help in combat because you have your 'loud' characters engage then the ninja knocks somebody unconscious every few seconds. At least with high assassination. On which note you can train up assassination VERY quickly by attempting to knock out people with high toughness, even if you fail every time to start with. I have seen somebody go from 0 to 7 with one 0% chance attempt.
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Jan 17, 2019 23:57
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Am I right in that the Lantern of Radiance actually attracts fogmen? Edit: Is there any point in using blunt weapons other than Jitte's for your crossbowmen?
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Jan 18, 2019 00:42
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Hivers are so cute. When you go to their village with humans or shek, they'll follow after you going "flop! flop! flop!  " while you're running because those feet things are weird and awesome. And then they go "aww...  " when you stop and return to their work.
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Jan 18, 2019 00:55
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I'm going to try to make a base in Gut because I hate myself.
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Cardiovorax posted:Hivers are so cute. When you go to their village with humans or shek, they'll follow after you going "flop! flop! flop! Some of the wandering traders will advertise "coverings for your ankle hands" and it took me a second to realize they meant shoes and not some sort of weird splints. "Ankle hands" is such a good turn of phrase for them to use.
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That's adorable. Hivers are just so endearingly earnest about everything, I don't know how the Holy Nation can manage to hate them. I've butchered thousands of people and animals in this game and the only thing I ever felt bad about was when I made a Hiver trader sad by not coming out to trade with him. He sounded so depressed about not getting to show me all his awesome stuff.
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Stealing poo poo from squin and admag is so profitable just a short run to the hiver villages, they have no problem buying stolen poo poo
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Hivers were one of the great design decisions in kenshi, I can only assume that right after the dev made blood spiders and beak things he went, 'oh poo poo I've gotta balance this out' and thus we got hivers
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"Why do humans always flee the shop? Please come back!  " a Hiver trader shouts as he runs after me, right out of the store.
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I always buy something from a hiver. Even if I throw it into the item furnace at my base later. My master ninja has just about fully leveled their stealth. Since clothing bonuses don't let you go past 100 for stealth, what should I start switching the armor pieces out for? I already switched the pants for drifters pants. I've got a dark leather shirt and assassins rags. My hat is ashlanders hat. I also have a black dustcoat in inventory for when I need to go somewhere acidic. Anything else I should look at?
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You know i didn't read your whole post nevermind
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Can Hivers wear boots if you tear both their legs off?
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Jan 18, 2019 11:59
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As far as I recall people with two prosthetic legs can't wear boots. E: Or accept Okrans light.
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Everyone should try setting nest frequency to max at least once, it's quite an experience. I'm sure it's going to be fun once I got a team strong enough to power through these things. Edit: Rip mercenaries that I just hired. Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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I always put nests at max. Do that and then build a walled settlement in the Vain. A company of Beak Things will be your personal defense force, basically. Nothing ever attacks me because no one can. The downside is that this also includes caravans, who tend to get themselves sadly eaten. Here's a little trick I just figured out, based on the quirks of the outpost system: it doesn't count as an outpost unless you place actual buildings. I've gotten into the habit of placing storage boxes around ore heaps and just parking a few guys there. They'll fill them up for me and I just need to send over a pack garru ever so often to fetch the resources. They never get attacked because storage in itself doesn't count as a location. It's pretty convenient. If you need them, just leave the stuff right there. Nobody touches it.
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I hired some mercs to try and clear out ruins in the Crater but they all got slaughtered by beak things before I got halfway. I thought mercs were supposed to be the ultimate badasses?
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Jan 18, 2019 18:12
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Mercs are mediocre samurai. Tech hunters are the badasses but their teams are only like a few dudes for the same price. In dangerous places, mercs for fodder for your excellent samurai or tech hunters to bolster your excellent samurai.
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Broken Cog posted:Am I right in that the Lantern of Radiance actually attracts fogmen? Increases visibility at night, so yes  Benefit of a lantern is to use it to shoot at things with the light penalty. My crossbowmen have whatever the gently caress I randomly hand them, usually some katana.
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Pewdiepie posted:I hired some mercs to try and clear out ruins in the Crater but they all got slaughtered by beak things before I got halfway. I thought mercs were supposed to be the ultimate badasses? There are a lot of beak things in the crater. You'd need multiple companies.
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