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70 | 41.92% |
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21 | 12.57% |
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12 | 7.19% |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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I guess at least old WWE wrestlers/officials aren't demanding a statue of Mel Philips gets put back up outside Titan Towers.... I mean, if you want to try REALLY hard to find some kind of silver lining in that horrible story. 
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Jan 18, 2019 06:36
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You could also argue that WWE are "outclassed" in the Saudi case by a US government that wants to push that agenda in the first place. Of course, they themselves still perpetuated it willingly and showed no signs of backing out of it even after being "made aware" of the Saudis' mass prejudice and genocide (because the main representatives of WWE and the US government are fitting friends). That's what makes it a worthy entry in the final for me, and I'm sure what makes it worth voting for overall in the eyes of many, but on the other hand the ring boy stuff is all WWE. Other companies and institutions may have done the same (and maybe even worse somehow), but this in particular was WWE and they pretty much got away with it completely.
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Jan 18, 2019 09:35
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The McMahon family can't just throw their hands in the air and say "welp the US government wanted us to go" when they're friends with and financially supported the POTUS and Linda is literally in the cabinet. But I voted for the Ring Boy scandal. This tournament has made a ton of us aware of it, and it's so incredibly heinous and disgusting.
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Jan 18, 2019 09:44
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Finding out about the ring boy scandal a few years back basically killed my love of wrestling. It's Saville levels of horrific and I can't in good conscience give this company money. It's one of those things that you mention to people and they don't believe you because it's so unbelievable that they got away with it. And funnily enough, I recently got my love of wrestling back thanks to the British indie scene and then WWE come along and ruin that with a scumbag move as well
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Jan 18, 2019 11:56
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Jerusalem posted:I guess at least old WWE wrestlers/officials aren't demanding a statue of Mel Philips gets put back up outside Titan Towers.... I mean, if you want to try REALLY hard to find some kind of silver lining in that horrible story. That’s only because Mel Philips wasn’t a very good ring announcer.
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Jan 18, 2019 13:31
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Jerusalem posted:I guess at least old WWE wrestlers/officials aren't demanding a statue of Mel Philips gets put back up outside Titan Towers.... I mean, if you want to try REALLY hard to find some kind of silver lining in that horrible story. And to tie everything up in a neat little ribbon, Jay Paterno just did a big propaganda piece for the Saudis. Jay Paterno posted:But I decided to put macro-geopolitical controversies aside and go focused on learning from personal connections. Such a tool.
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Jan 18, 2019 13:53
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Just learning the full extent of the Ring Boy scandal is loving disgusting. I remember hearing rumblings about it in the late 90's and early 2000's but it was always spun as some disgruntled employees with axes to grind or as homophobic attacks on Pat Patterson. Before this tournament I was thinking of returning around Rumble or Mania time. Now I'm finally done with WWE and I've been watching since late 1991.
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Jan 18, 2019 16:23
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I knew about the scandal. I did not know about the cover-ups or rehirings. This takes a bit of the flavor out of the worst people tournament. Since there's only one person I could imagine capable of beating Mel. (It's Moolah)
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Jan 18, 2019 16:45
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Hey MRT you should send a bunch of fruit to HHH to celebrate when the tournament's over
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Jan 18, 2019 16:52
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ChrisBTY posted:I knew about the scandal. Chris Benoit killed his family. Vince McMahon raped a woman and ran the company that did all this stuff.
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Jan 18, 2019 16:52
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I don't want to start a pissing contest over who has the most Dark Side points, but Chris Benoit was brain damaged. Vince and Moolah didn't run criminal cartels because they did too many flying headbutts.
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Jan 18, 2019 16:54
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't want to start a pissing contest over who has the most Dark Side points, but Chris Benoit was brain damaged. Vince and Moolah didn't run criminal cartels because they did too many flying headbutts. Well the idea of the tournament is to start pissing contests! Some people are going to see the Benoit murders as worse than anything else. Some will see Moolah. Some will see Mel, some Vince, one guy will swear up and down it's Hogan.
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Jan 18, 2019 17:29
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Would pre Vince Jr guys make it onto the list like Invader I
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Jan 18, 2019 17:39
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Theoretically, I don't see why not. But it doesn't really make sense to hold WWE responsible for Gonzalez in any way, since he killed Brody after he left WWWF and never worked for them again as far as I know.
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Jan 18, 2019 17:51
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Smoking Crow posted:Would pre Vince Jr guys make it onto the list like Invader I The rule is going to be you have to be in the WWF for a full year to be eligible. I might make it 1980 on but we'll see after the nominations come in.
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Jan 18, 2019 18:02
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That raises some difficult questions. Like, if Buck Zumhofe had been abusing his daughter during the time he was a sporadic jobber for the WWF, to what degree would the company be responsible? Prior convictions of sexually assaulting a minor didn't stop them from hiring him or Art Barr. It's alarming to think about the number of wrestlers with a penchant for underage fans, and the company culture of excusing it or pretending that it wasn't happening that must have existed.
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Jan 18, 2019 18:10
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The member's site of the PWTorch.com has a bunch of local radio shows from the time via Wade Keller's own radio show on KFAN in Minnesota and John Arezzi's Pro Wrestling Spotlight out of New York. Both are amazing time capsules. Both hosts went from chatting with wrestlers in a mix of kayfabe and non-kayfabe to when the scandals hit going very hard news. It all took a real toll on an over his head Arezzi as WWF then issued several reprisals - blocking guests and going after sponsors. A lot of listeners didn't get it at all either. But listening to them it r-e-a-l-l-y felt at the time it was really curtains for WWE. It was a different and less sophisticated time in certain ways. A lot of podcasts these days are just honed narrative building and really cynical and jaded. But the two radio shows are more naive and are just reacting to the situation at hand.
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Jan 18, 2019 18:20
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KoldPT posted:Hey MRT you should send a bunch of fruit to HHH to celebrate when the tournament's over Somebody should photoshop Mel Phillips into one of those HHH backstage with NXT signings/champions pictures.
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Jan 18, 2019 18:26
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A tournament to decide who the worst person in ALL OF WRESTLING is might be fun, though I'm fairly confident that Saville would win if he even counts.
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Jan 18, 2019 18:31
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That would be incredibly depressing because it would devolve into a tally of rapes
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Jan 18, 2019 18:35
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Halloween Jack posted:That raises some difficult questions. Like, if Buck Zumhofe had been abusing his daughter during the time he was a sporadic jobber for the WWF, to what degree would the company be responsible? Prior convictions of sexually assaulting a minor didn't stop them from hiring him or Art Barr. It's alarming to think about the number of wrestlers with a penchant for underage fans, and the company culture of excusing it or pretending that it wasn't happening that must have existed. If WWF/E drew a line and said no more, we will not hire/contract/use people that have sexual offense accusations, it would have been an industry changer. But wrestling culture is steeped in handshake deals and whatnot so it probably didn't occur to anyone that they were actually aiding and abetting dudes doing terrible poo poo. So yeah, the company should be held responsible.
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Jan 18, 2019 18:40
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All of wrestling would be really hard for me because I'm biased I hate Fritz von Erich so much
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Jan 18, 2019 19:00
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We're not doing all of wrestling because the luchadora who killed hundreds of people would win and there's literally no competition. Limiting it to the WWF at least makes it interesting.
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Jan 18, 2019 19:24
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MassRafTer posted:We're not doing all of wrestling because the luchadora who killed hundreds of people would win and there's literally no competition. Limiting it to the WWF at least makes it interesting. Wait what?
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Jan 18, 2019 19:28
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Vince MechMahon posted:Wait what? It wasn't quite that many.
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Jan 18, 2019 19:29
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Dama del Silencio is a serial killer
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Jan 18, 2019 19:33
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Ok I stand corrected. The field is ripe with fertilizer for the shittiest person tourney. Voting Moolah til the wheels fall off.
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Jan 18, 2019 20:31
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I've been curious about how long and how many matches Juana Barrazza wrestled. Like, I have a sort of pet project on the mortality of wrestlers, and while I failed to set firm criteria for inclusion when I started, I discount people who wrestled a small number of matches for a small promotion.
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Jan 18, 2019 21:51
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MassRafTer posted:one guy will swear up and down it's Hogan. MRT I hate to break it to you but Bobby Heenan died a couple years ago.
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Jan 18, 2019 22:44
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legendary heel. People don't get heat like this anymore
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Jan 18, 2019 23:01
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Karmine posted:MRT I hate to break it to you but Bobby Heenan died a couple years ago. 
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Nominations for the NY64 WW are open. Please read the list of current entrants before nominating! https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1086432916056489985
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Jan 19, 2019 02:38
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Can we omit Benoit, since he’s the obvious winner?
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Jan 19, 2019 04:22
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Is he? I mean he's a frontrunner, obviously, but he's not the only murderer and at least had extreme brain damage. There's rapists and pedophiles and other murderers. And for my money I'd pencil in at least a couple of McMahons into the Final Four for accumulated evil.
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Jan 19, 2019 04:33
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When the NY 64 started I figured Crown Jewel would run away with it. That Ringboy stuff really threw me for a loop, like others I'd heard only very loose descriptions of it in the past filtered through the idea that a lot of was beat-up as a homophobic attack on Pat Patterson. Learning more about what actually went down was pretty horrific. I don't doubt that Benoit would rank highly in a "worst person" ranking, but I'm sure there are plenty of others who could easily be argued as being much worse.
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Jan 19, 2019 04:37
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mkay0 posted:Can we omit Benoit, since he’s the obvious winner? Mel Phillips raped dozens if not hundreds of children.
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Jan 19, 2019 04:42
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Edit: This was in incredibly bad taste. I apologize.
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Jan 19, 2019 04:43
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Yeah Benoit should be in it, but with some of the stuff we know now, and the stuff we knew already (hi Moolah) he probably isn't winning. Which is a crazy thing to think about a man who murdered his family.
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Jan 19, 2019 04:43
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MassRafTer posted:Mel Phillips raped dozens if not hundreds of children. And doesn't have the defense of brain damage (as far as I know) Also: not trying to excuse Benoit's actions, just saying that his mitigating factor is significant.
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Yeah, its not "Benoit's actions are excused." Its "here's a guy who did an evil act but had a medically documented mangled brain and theoretically the shame to kill himself while here's a person who did evil things over and over and over again and covered them up and spent years operating of apparent sound mind." I think in theory I might lean away from Benoit in that case.
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