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surface go: why does this loving thing even exist? it's absolute poo poo, even by the already terrible standards of surface branded products. it loving sucks at everything and is somehow even further hamstung by a cpu that should never have been made. the battery life absolute garbage too. it's a pug dog, a horrific wheezing abomination that should never have been made, a testament to man's hubris that belongs squarely in a dumpster
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infernal machines posted:surface go: why does this loving thing even exist? it's absolute poo poo, even by the already terrible standards of surface branded products. it loving sucks at everything and is somehow even further hamstung by a cpu that should never have been made. the battery life absolute garbage too. the cpu existing is trivial: it is the same one as in the macbook air without turbo, so it is a binning product
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the cpu existing is trivial: it is the same one as in the macbook air without turbo, so it is a binning product "without turbo" is doing some heavy lifting here
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it has one speed: very slow as the review points out, it gets dunked on by atom branded SKUs
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infernal machines posted:"without turbo" is doing some heavy lifting here that's not really the point; it exists because intel had it to sell because some parts didn't turbo well and got binned as such. i am not defending its use in any particular way, but its existence is easy to explain unless one would expect intel to just throw stuff in the trash (which would be the yospos approach but also a touch wasteful on resources expended)
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:that's not really the point; it exists because intel had it to sell because some parts didn't turbo well and got binned as such. i am not defending its use in any particular way, but its existence is easy to explain unless one would expect intel to just throw stuff in the trash (which would be the yospos approach but also a touch wasteful on resources expended) instead you throw the whole device away in 2 years when an update renders it unusably slow
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fair enough, i suppose the question is then "why did microsoft build a surface product around this cpu?" as opposed to leaving it in the bargain bin for the no-name chinese oems making $10 tablets that don't work
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:that's not really the point; it exists because intel had it to sell because some parts didn't turbo well and got binned as such. i am not defending its use in any particular way, but its existence is easy to explain unless one would expect intel to just throw stuff in the trash (which would be the yospos approach but also a touch wasteful on resources expended) those pieces of junk should either be embedded in a smart fridge or run through a shredder and MS are dumb fucks for putting them in anything
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wait doesn't pentium gold insinuate there's a worse one
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is it still atom -> Celeron -> pentium -> actual real people processors; or has that that changed? poor pentium, worth something once
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there's also Silver and Celery.
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You also have to be careful about i5 and i7 processors with Ys mixed in with the numbers (like i7-7Y75) because those are rebranded core m processors.
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SRQ posted:is it still atom -> Celeron -> pentium -> actual real people processors; or has that that changed? here's a handy reference document to explain it all! https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/processors/processor-numbers.html
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SRQ posted:is it still atom -> Celeron -> pentium -> actual real people processors; or has that that changed? Some Celerons and Pentium are Atom based, some are Core architecture. Your ranking is wildly out of date. Intel doesn't make it easy.
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I really wish they would break up the Xeons in to lower-core, higher single thread performance and higher-core, lower single thread performance families because having to work out the proper processor selection with the 50+ xeon permutations available these days is a nightmare and Bigger Number == More Perf is absolutely not true in a bunch of cases
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I really wish they would break up the Xeons in to lower-core, higher single thread performance and higher-core, lower single thread performance families because having to work out the proper processor selection with the 50+ xeon permutations available these days is a nightmare and Bigger Number == More Perf is absolutely not true in a bunch of cases they're gonna be releasing some of these i think. **edit** they're these https://ark.intel.com/products/series/125035/Intel-Xeon-W-Processor they're high power single thread fellas, instead of just bigger number = more cores they just have bad thermals
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mystes posted:You also have to be careful about i5 and i7 processors with Ys mixed in with the numbers (like i7-7Y75) because those are rebranded core m processors. and careful about mobile i5 and i7s where the difference is usually 200mhz
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there was an article I read a long time ago that was posted after windows mobile started to die saying Microsoft will try again but their legacy of lovely smartphones is just gonna kill it again wish I could find it, it was pretty spot on as far as tech predictions go
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tbf, predicting a microsoft product won't resonate with people and fail is akin to guessing the sun might set tonight.
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Lightbulb Out posted:they're gonna be releasing some of these i think. this is the stupid poo poo I was trying to sort through to find the appropriate processor for a new stack I'm deploying. you have loving nonsense jumps like going from the gold 6142 (16c) to the 6144 (8c) to the 6146 (12c) what in the everloving gently caress intel this ordering makes zero sense 
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:this is the stupid poo poo I was trying to sort through to find the appropriate processor for a new stack I'm deploying. you have loving nonsense jumps like going from the gold 6142 (16c) to the 6144 (8c) to the 6146 (12c) what in the everloving gently caress intel this ordering makes zero sense i get the pleasure of selling their garbage and we just stick to the embedded line for longer procurement cycles and better thermals(important for my industry) its a mess, you're 100% correct
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:this is the stupid poo poo I was trying to sort through to find the appropriate processor for a new stack I'm deploying. you have loving nonsense jumps like going from the gold 6142 (16c) to the 6144 (8c) to the 6146 (12c) what in the everloving gently caress intel this ordering makes zero sense also fun, the difference is sometimes cache and it doesn't map in any coherent way to the number of core/threads but if your application needs it specifically, hooo boy! so yeah, you can have a cpu with lower clocks and fewer cores/no ht but it costs 50% more than the adjacent model in the matrix and it's because it has like 24mb cache instead of 16mb and is one model number off from the other one
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infernal machines posted:fair enough, i suppose the question is then "why did microsoft build a surface product around this cpu?" as opposed to leaving it in the bargain bin for the no-name chinese oems making $10 tablets that don't work it was going to be arm until intel paid a bunch of money to bundle it in that’s why
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infernal machines posted:also fun, the difference is sometimes cache and it doesn't map in any coherent way to the number of core/threads but if your application needs it specifically, hooo boy! imagine having such market control that you can literally just dump out a puzzle box of poo poo and force your customers to figure out what they need instead of having any sort of rational scaling. by 2030 it's gonna be like buying fruit, every single processor will be sold as long as it physically boots and it's up to you to find the ones in the bin that work for you.
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SRQ posted:imagine having such market control that you can literally just dump out a puzzle box of poo poo and force your customers to figure out what they need instead of having any sort of rational scaling. BORN TO CRASH INTEL IS A gently caress Kill Em All 1974 I am core dump 410,757,864,530 DEAD PROCESSES
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the reason is because of all of the various licensing based on whatever oracle decides so you can buy an intel cpu that gets you max performance without having to renegotiate your license so really it’s Larry’s fault
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gently caress I had a Windows Phone for several years and it was the worst experience of my life. How can phone be that bad? I don't even know how to explain it, it just sucked so much. gently caress MICROSOFT FOR WINDOWS PHONE THEY RUINED NOKIA
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not good enough to live in an ecosystem also containing such jewels as: anroid
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:windows phone was so loving good 
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dont be mean to me posted:BORN TO CRASH
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dont be mean to me posted:BORN TO CRASH
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dont be mean to me posted:BORN TO CRASH
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dont be mean to me posted:BORN TO CRASH
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there should be an FDIV reference in there somewhere
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fdiv is quaint considering the bugs we get these days. "lol all your data isn't secure and also the patch for this nerfs performance by up to 20%"
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