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Anyone else notice the panel with Kaidou? page 14, bottom center left Kaidou is letting out a sigh. The strongest creature on the Grand Line, who's hobby is to try and kill himself, is relieved that Charlotte didnt dock her boat on their waterfall Big Mom scares all, no exceptions
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Reiche posted:Oh my god, but don't you think that man might be a little too recognizable as well? Who is this man?! WHERE IS SNIPER ISLAND?!?!
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Jan 18, 2019 22:06
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Parrotine posted:Anyone else notice the panel with Kaidou? Being extremely old and indestructible is probably a lot worse than just being indestructible
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Jan 18, 2019 23:23
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even kaidou can appreciate avoiding a difficult fight that doesn't advance his goals any further
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Jan 19, 2019 00:01
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Oh Snapple! posted:I'll never really be able to view FI and Dressrosa as anything less than good just cause even with their faults, the Fisher Tiger and Law flashbacks are just so amazingly strong. Plus the King Kong Gun was just perfect. Yeah there's never been a One Piece arc where I lost interest or hated.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:16
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Usopp really hammering home his status as the worst strawhat by loudly announcing to his friends and allies how quickly he'll sell them out to save his own rear end.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:26
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Clam Chowdown posted:Usopp really hammering home his status as the worst strawhat by loudly announcing to his friends and allies how quickly he'll sell them out to save his own rear end. He was only saying it specifically to get a reaction out of Law.
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Clam Chowdown posted:Usopp really hammering home his status as the worst strawhat by loudly announcing to his friends and allies how quickly he'll sell them out to save his own rear end. He only said that to get Sanji's protection, literally the next panel
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Jan 19, 2019 01:36
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Also God Usopp's entire thing is being scared and loudly proclaiming what a coward he is and then actually doing the heroic and awesome thing when the chips are down.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:39
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Clam Chowdown really hammering home their status as the worst poster by loudly announcing to everyone how terrible they are at reading comprehension
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Jan 19, 2019 01:54
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U-DO Burger posted:Clam Chowdown really hammering home their status as the worst poster by loudly announcing to everyone how terrible they are at reading comprehension  for real tho, this is just more setup. We've now got several plot lines that are going to mix at different points in the upcoming story. poo poo is going to go light speed For example there's no way Big Mom is out for the count but this does delay her. She'll probably pop up as a cliff hanger ending I R SMART LIKE ROCK fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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Jan 19, 2019 02:17
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Big Mom has like two hundred ships and I doubt everyone would be on one ship, seems like a Brûlée trick.
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Jan 19, 2019 02:34
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Greed posted:Big Mom has like two hundred ships and I doubt everyone would be on one ship, seems like a Brûlée trick. Yeah and several of her most powerful crew are absent, like Cracker, Katakuri and Oven. And while one of them may have stayed back to guard home base or whatever, it seems unlikely they'd take on another emperor head on without their best fighters
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Jan 19, 2019 03:33
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Well cracker and katakuri might still be down for the count from their fights with Luffy, but yeah Oven didn't get a scratch on him so not being here is noteworthy.
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Jan 19, 2019 03:35
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Gotta leave a few heavy hitters behind to guard your territory (until Blackbeard shows up to curbstomp them anyway)
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Jan 19, 2019 03:45
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Fawf posted:He only said that to get Sanji's protection, literally the next panel Wasnt his big declaration after the time skip to be a Brave Man of the Sea? Way to step up there Usopp
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Jan 19, 2019 06:30
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gnome7 posted:Well cracker and katakuri might still be down for the count from their fights with Luffy, but yeah Oven didn't get a scratch on him so not being here is noteworthy. Oven got kicked by Sanji, but he was fine. It's been like a week at least since the fights, so Cracker and Katakuri would probably have recovered by now. Katakuri was in no worse shape than Luffy at the end.
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Parrotine posted:Wasnt his big declaration after the time skip to be a Brave Man of the Sea? Way to step up there Usopp God Usopp has a 200 million beli bounty
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Jan 19, 2019 06:49
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By the time he reaches Blackbeard, Luffy's Haki abilities are gonna be so good he'll stand toe-to-toe with Blackbeard's DF abilities even without Gear Fourth.
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:By the time he reaches Blackbeard, Luffy's Haki abilities are gonna be so good he'll stand toe-to-toe with Blackbeard's DF abilities even without Gear Fourth.
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah and several of her most powerful crew are absent, like Cracker, Katakuri and Oven. And while one of them may have stayed back to guard home base or whatever, it seems unlikely they'd take on another emperor head on without their best fighters Keep in mind they also get held up by the Fishman Pirates. We don't know how that battle went
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Kild posted:Keep in mind they also get held up by the Fishman Pirates. We don't know how that battle went Since Big Mom is at Wano and Jinbei isn't, I think it's safe to say that they're all dead.
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Jan 19, 2019 08:27
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RealFoxy posted:I think what's going to throw off Blackbeard is that his primary devil fruit negates Luffy's and then just get caught off guard by how hard Luffy hits and how fast he moves without using the Gum Gum fruit as a crutch like most other people. Luffy is one of those people like Shanks & his crew, Garp, Raleigh, Hancock & The Amazons, etc who are just absurdly strong even without a fruit ability. Most of the heavy hitters we've seen rely on Logia fruit, like the entirety of the Marine Admirals but Luffy leans more towards Garp and Raleigh who are just obscenely strong on their own who happens to have a fruit that just makes his physical strength hit even harder. Luffy's fruit is an unusual one, and he actually fights more like a Zoan user; like we saw with CP9, powerful physical fighters become exponentially more so with the added animal strength of a Zoan type, and can incorporate their physical techniques and abilities into their animal form fighting style, but that also means if you take away their power they're still incredibly strong and skilled people. And Luffy can still fight without stretching when he wants to, as he did in the Colosseum as Lucy, so it's not going to be too disorienting for him to have his powers turned off compared to how it'd be for someone with a more exotic ability that they have to specifically develop and incorporate into their fighting style. It has been established that while powerful Fruit users are terrifying on the blue seas and can dominate Paradise, around the New World the more they use their fruit as a crutch the quicker they go down.
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Luffy is also aware that Blackbeard can disable his fruit since he's fought him before
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Jan 19, 2019 11:43
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Don't forget tho Shanks' comment to Whitebeard when he was talking about how Teach gave him his scar and "it's not because (he) was being careless". And I'm fairly certain that was well before he acquired the devil fruit Blackbeard was basically introduced as someone who intentionally kept himself super low key and under the radar, presumably so people underestimated him, and he still was able to fight Shanks and be the one to score visible damage. He's obviously hiding some frightening combat skills himself.
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Guy A. Person posted:Don't forget tho Shanks' comment to Whitebeard when he was talking about how Teach gave him his scar and "it's not because (he) was being careless". And I'm fairly certain that was well before he acquired the devil fruit Agreed. He also was offered a commander position by Whitebeard. So while he's risen meteorically, most of the power players in the universe knew he wasn't someone to take lightly
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Jose posted:Luffy is also aware that Blackbeard can disable his fruit since he's fought him before legit forget when this happened. marineford maybe?
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Manatee Cannon posted:legit forget when this happened. marineford maybe? escape from impel down
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Manatee Cannon posted:legit forget when this happened. marineford maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipmMktQIark
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So to those wondering about Wano's pacing, I'd agree it's been rather brisk, yes. This is because Oda realizes it's time to start working his way to the *actual* meat of the series. Defeating Kaidou is an important step on the way there, due to Luffy needing to cement the fact that he can defeat these extremely powerful obstacles to acquire the coordinates to Raftel, and having his entire crew become Yonkou level, but still, we're not quite to the actual meat. I think mentally, he's realized that drat, he's near 1000 chapters. That's quite a heap of chapters. He's entertained us along the way, but the true message of One Peace, I mean One Piece, will be shown to us in detail. This probably is also why he decided to have Wano be a dual Yonkou arc, to start being able to draw the important message he's been wanting to let out. I no longer believe Elbaf will be "Big Mom's arc" (I did used to though, it made perfect sense.) I'm on the bandwagon that thinks Wano will be Shanks' arc, and contain mythological aspects like Yggdrasil etc. (what's that nearly invisible line extending to the sky seen in both the anime and manga in Big Mom's flashback in Elbaf? I have no doubt we'll see another important "Tree" on Elbaf. Tree of Knowledge existed, Sunlight Tree Eve, Treasure Tree Adam, Devil Fruit Tree (in the one-shot of OP before the manga was published, but OP takes many ideas from there)). Anyway, random stuff I just felt like saying. Yes, I think the theme of *not* relying solely on your Devil Fruit will play a pretty significant role later in the series. Base Luffy is still super strong, even when he was right out of the jungle from Garp's training as a kid. I think this might be a lesson Shanks teaches him before he fights Blackbeard? Demonicpoodle fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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RealFoxy posted:I think what's going to throw off Blackbeard is that his primary devil fruit negates Luffy's and then just get caught off guard by how hard Luffy hits and how fast he moves without using the Gum Gum fruit as a crutch like most other people. Luffy is one of those people like Shanks & his crew, Garp, Raleigh, Hancock & The Amazons, etc who are just absurdly strong even without a fruit ability. Most of the heavy hitters we've seen rely on Logia fruit, like the entirety of the Marine Admirals but Luffy leans more towards Garp and Raleigh who are just obscenely strong on their own who happens to have a fruit that just makes his physical strength hit even harder. Even if it isn't canon, Film Z still brings up a good point of catching people who rely too heavily and arrogantly on their DF abilities off-guard by using alternative methods (EG Haki, seastone bullets, some other destructive force, etc). Even Whitebeard called Blackbeard out on his arrogance at Marineford. Kizaru likely knew that Ben Beckman uses seastone bullets + Haki so he knew he'd still get shot despite his DF ability. That's definitely going to be a plot point with Blackbeard, count on it. His whole crew is obsessed with collecting the rarest and most powerful Devil Fruits out there. He's going to be hoisted by his own petard so hard. poo poo, imagine Blackbeard swooping in to steal Big Mom's or Kaidou's Devil Fruits once Wano or Elbaf are over. I could see Blackbeard trying to steal Big Mom's abilities to fit with the real-life Blackbeard's association with souls. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Even if it isn't canon, Film Z still brings up a good point of catching people who rely too heavily and arrogantly on their DF abilities off-guard by using alternative methods (EG Haki, seastone bullets, some other destructive force, etc). Even Whitebeard called Blackbeard out on his arrogance at Marineford. Does Blackbeard have the ability to use haki in the first place? That would make a lot sense for why his desire for the darkness fruit was so singular. If he can't utilize armament haki to defeat logias then this is the only other consistent way to neutralize them. I'd put my money on him going after Kaidou's fruit so he has the trifecta of paramecia-logia-zoan at his disposal. That would also help clarify theories a bit, too, if he can turn partially into a dragon and still use his other abilities. Also, I think a dragon zoan also fits his obsession with having the "strongest" of each fruit class.
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Shoren posted:Does Blackbeard have the ability to use haki in the first place? That would make a lot sense for why his desire for the darkness fruit was so singular. If he can't utilize armament haki to defeat logias then this is the only other consistent way to neutralize them. That makes a lot of sense too. I could also see Blackbeard ending up as some kind of Tetsuo monstrosity with dozens of Devil Fruits swallowed up by whatever method he uses to utilize multiple Devil Fruits when it should be otherwise impossible to use more than one. I love how One Piece could go in multiple directions and still be plausible and awesome anyway, and yet Oda still pulls something unexpected that was also foreshadowed hundreds of chapters ago. 
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Shoren posted:Does Blackbeard have the ability to use haki in the first place? That would make a lot sense for why his desire for the darkness fruit was so singular. If he can't utilize armament haki to defeat logias then this is the only other consistent way to neutralize them. I’ve always liked the idea that Blackbeard can’t use Haki, but there’s one problem with it: he sensed Luffy’s Haki back in Jaya. But maybe that was due to Luffy unconsciously using Color of the Conqueror and Blackbeard feeling the pressure on his mind, rather that Blackbeard using Color of Observation (which has never actually been shown to detect other people’s Haki anyway).
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scary ghost dog posted:escape from impel down ooooo yea, I remember now. thanks
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Silver2195 posted:I’ve always liked the idea that Blackbeard can’t use Haki, but there’s one problem with it: he sensed Luffy’s Haki back in Jaya. But maybe that was due to Luffy unconsciously using Color of the Conqueror and Blackbeard feeling the pressure on his mind, rather that Blackbeard using Color of Observation (which has never actually been shown to detect other people’s Haki anyway). Haki then just referred to "spirit" or something intangible rather than a kind of superpower like it is now. Or, if you don't buy that, then it's also possible that Blackbeard just knew when someone had the kind of potential Luffy does given his proximity to such powerful pirates in the New World. Lots of explanations, I think.
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Demonicpoodle posted:So to those wondering about Wano's pacing, I'd agree it's been rather brisk, yes. This is because Oda realizes it's time to start working his way to the *actual* meat of the series. Defeating Kaidou is an important step on the way there, due to Luffy needing to cement the fact that he can defeat these extremely powerful obstacles to acquire the coordinates to Raftel, and having his entire crew become Yonkou level, but still, we're not quite to the actual meat. I feel like every since we got to the New World, there's been a constant tension between Oda knowing that he has to start working towards finishing this series, and him just loving world-building and designing characters and giving them goofy stuff to do. By the end of an arc, there's so much forward momentum and everything could come to a climax in just a few short weeks, but then we get to a new island he just has so many ideas. To be clear, I absolutely love this, and hope he takes as much time as he wants. The bits at the beginning of a new arc where we're meeting new characters and learning about the island are some of my absolute favorite parts of the whole series. If that means that this series lasts 2000 chapters, so be it. There's plenty of time to get to the important stuff, One Piece is so insanely popular that I doubt anyone is capable of pressuring Oda into doing anything he doesn't want to.
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Shoren posted:Haki then just referred to "spirit" or something intangible rather than a kind of superpower like it is now. Or, if you don't buy that, then it's also possible that Blackbeard just knew when someone had the kind of potential Luffy does given his proximity to such powerful pirates in the New World. Lots of explanations, I think. Haki has always meant what it is now don't do a Zorak. The dark fruit lets him nullify devil fruit powers not simply hit logia's. It almost certainly also has something to do with how he ate the quake fruit which is another reason he wanted it
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There was talk about Vegapunk earlier in the arc and SHOW ME VEGAPUNK ODA, YOU COWARD
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Jose posted:Haki has always meant what it is now don't do a Zorak. The dark fruit lets him nullify devil fruit powers not simply hit logia's. It almost certainly also has something to do with how he ate the quake fruit which is another reason he wanted it I don't know what doing "a Zorak" means  All I'm saying is that it's pretty clear Oda hadn't fleshed out the idea of haki at that point in time compared to what it has matured into. I think Blackbeard's first mention of haki was significant, but not because he was specifically recognizing Luffy using one of the three forms. That's all. If that's super controversial then I guess I'll stop talking about it now.
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