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PostNouveau posted:Seems like a bad use of polling. The 9% of Conservatives are saying they WOULD switch their vote and then that's being compared to 11% of Labour saying they would be "less likely" to vote. I agree- I don't know exactly how you'd structure the poll but I think you really need to make it more of a "If one party was the party of Leave and one party was the party of Remain, who would you vote for?" and see how many would definitively say "I would switch if this were the case"
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An insane mind posted:I thought chuds would love her stances on gay people. no they're mad because she let in all the MOSLEM PAEDO RAPE GANGS
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so May is refusing to change the deal, Parliament is refusing to throw May out, and Labor can't push for a second referendum because all the Lexit voters will leave or something??? (I don't really understand why or what's going on with this last one) So unless something major happens over the next 60 days we're looking at a no-deal exit?
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SKULL.GIF posted:so May is refusing to change the deal, Parliament is refusing to throw May out, and Labor can't push for a second referendum because all the Lexit voters will leave or something??? (I don't really understand why or what's going on with this last one) And it's all because you don't iodize your salt.
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SKULL.GIF posted:so May is refusing to change the deal, Parliament is refusing to throw May out, and Labor can't push for a second referendum because all the Lexit voters will leave or something??? (I don't really understand why or what's going on with this last one) yup if you have anyone in the UK you care about positively - or even negatively but you'd miss locking horns with them - you should probably work on getting them out in the next three years ago but certainly now
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remember: there are already medicine shortages and brexit hasn't happened yet!
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PostNouveau posted:Seems like a bad use of polling. The 9% of Conservatives are saying they WOULD switch their vote and then that's being compared to 11% of Labour saying they would be "less likely" to vote. Tory voters are never ever voting for Corbyn
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Pick posted:Is it mad max over there yet? I'm hoping to use my collection of goon prolapse photos to trade for stuff
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Pick posted:Is it mad max over there yet? it's gonna be more like Doomsday except the wall is to keep the English out.
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Jose posted:Tory voters are never ever voting for Corbyn Then it's really bad polling because it says 9% would
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Jose posted:Tory voters are never ever voting for Corbyn
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May is like a mob bagman who believes she's shaking down a hapless convenience store clerk, saying "Hey I'm with you buddy, but if I don't have anything to show the man he's gonna cause trouble for us both!" except the clerk is actually a cop
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offer #1: do everything we want for free eu: no offer #2: the exact same offer, but louder eu: no well she's tried everything
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Did I ever tell you what the definition of Brexit is?
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i have this weird sensation that the second labour comes out for a second ref they're calling a general
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CoolCab posted:i have this weird sensation that the second labour comes out for a second ref they're calling a general Is the glorious plan to burn all food reserves and medicine, then have Corbyn and a few Tories sent the A50 revocation so the English survive the winter? And then immediately call for a new snap election to get rid of the traitors who dolchstoßed the nation? Or just plain lunacy.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:May is like a mob bagman who believes she's shaking down a hapless convenience store clerk, saying "Hey I'm with you buddy, but if I don't have anything to show the man he's gonna cause trouble for us both!" I liked the analogy that May (And the british in general) are sticking someone up but with a gun who's barrel is pointing directly at themselves. The "Victim" just stands there in disbelief as the mugger makes their demands louder and louder till they just shoot themselves
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CoolCab posted:i have this weird sensation that the second labour comes out for a second ref they're calling a general No, general election being a possibility would mean discussion of policy differences. That's Labours chance to be given a megaphone to point out that the problems people face can be solved even if we stay in the EU, and they get to say it without the establishment lying against them for once because it ultimately supports the Remain case. The GE ultimately gets blocked, it was always going to, but the 2 weeks or so pre-potential campaign coverage gives a fig leaf towards a 2nd referendum having legitimacy. Labour need to give their Leave voters a chance to organically think Remaining wouldn't be that bad, tories need to not be responsible for brexit actually happening and also not alienate their Leave voters. Corbyns push for a GE strategy is genuinely astute and anyone who wants to stay in the EU should be getting behind it. Everyone here thinks I'm a big brexit lover but I'm really not, I just think referendums should be honoured and super duper don't want there to be a strong right wing betrayal narrative emerging if a 2nd ref does happen. It can't just be won on demographic changes, there has to be a winning of the argument too and the lead in to the 2nd ref is a big part of that.
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"We have to give the right everything they ask for otherwise they'll invent harmful narratives of betrayal to further their agenda!" isn't a tremendously compelling argument.
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More like we have to undermine the rights betrayal narrative by forcing space for discussion of the actual issues prior to the 'betrayal moment'
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Baloogan posted:lol if you think there is a plan
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tarbrush posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1086716383730249728?s=19 i want labour to get a majority in an election but i just don't see it happening with Scotland going all in on the SNP
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Jose posted:i want labour to get a majority in an election but i just don't see it happening with Scotland going all in on the SNP Yeah. God can you imagine what a clusterfuck a Lab/SNP/Lib coalition or confidence and supply arrangement would be like.
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I feel like it can't have escaped the powers that be's notice that "when the media was forced to be fair under GE laws, jam man shot up in the polls" I feel like the easy solution is they spend the GE breaking election laws with biased coverage then get a slap on the wrist after it's over. Who is gonna punish them? Since that seems ti genuinely be how the right wing does GEs now anyway.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:it's gonna be more like Doomsday except the wall is to keep the English out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwqMqyXfdA
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Baloogan posted:lol if you think there is a plan I think there are probably like 11 plans spread out across various Westminster factions but they just sort of float about the ether bumping into each other.
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Jose posted:lol at thinking the lib dems would be involved Aye, most likely outcome is supply/demand deal for a minority Labour government because FPTP is shite
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Jose posted:i want labour to get a majority in an election but i just don't see it happening with Scotland going all in on the SNP have they recovered in the polls since two years ago? i guess there are a fuckton of marginals in scotland now
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i say swears online posted:have they recovered in the polls since two years ago? i guess there are a fuckton of marginals in scotland now I think recent polls showed the SNP recovering most of the seats they lost in 2017.
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i say swears online posted:have they recovered in the polls since two years ago? i guess there are a fuckton of marginals in scotland now It's hard to know for certain because Scotland-only Westminster polls are rare and UK Scottish subsamples are rarely larger than 100 (so a lot of noise), as well as people voting totally differently for Scottish elections making that data incomparable, but all evidence points to no, still level with/just behind the Tories marktheando posted:I think recent polls showed the SNP recovering most of the seats they lost in 2017. A lot of seats for both are very marginal iirc, so there could be a lot of seat changes either way on a small swing
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marktheando posted:I think recent polls showed the SNP recovering most of the seats they lost in 2017. scotland's interesting to me in a political system sense. there aren't many places that have that many competitive parties in FPTP
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i say swears online posted:scotland's interesting to me in a political system sense. there aren't many places that have that many competitive parties in FPTP Part of this nowadays is that all parties have the Scottish Parliament to build a presence in, because of the list system. The Greens are fourth of five in the Parliament and they don't even run for constituencies at all iirc
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Obliterati posted:Part of this nowadays is that all parties have the Scottish Parliament to build a presence in, because of the list system. The Greens are fourth of five in the Parliament and they don't even run for constituencies at all iirc i totally forgot holyrood has another system. that explains a lot, thank you
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