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Vadoc posted:Cain also duelled one, though that one was already severely hurt and he basically just finished him off but to the guards that saw it thought he took it on all by himself. Cain fought two CSM in that book, one was uninjured and Jurgen killed that one with a melta when Cain gave him an opening, and Cain later killed an injured one near the end of the book. One of the jokes about Cain is that he's legit an incredible warrior in-universe, and he constantly makes excuses as to why he defeated incredibly powerful foes because he can't match up to the propaganda version of himself - he defeated an Ork Warboss in a duel once, which was the incident that originally gave him his fame.
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D-Pad posted:They know what chaos is. Remember the Primaris Marines are not current era Marines recently created. Some of them date back as far as the Horus Heresy. Cawl took initiates that hadn't made it to actual fighting yet and put them in stasis. Taking them out every few centuries/millennia to be worked on and train. Neophytes to be exact. Teenagers who had gotten the first couple organs or were about to. Any later in the process and Cawl would not be able to perform the operations without a high chance of failure. In the current date Cawl has created a process for turning normal Marines into Primaris, but it currently has a 61% chance of failure and death. Calgar was the first one to attempt it and from the description, it was horrifically painful and actually killed him for few minutes. Fundamentally Primaris are better than normal Marines. The current issues are that they lack experience compared to the old ones, and the way they were trained has made them less flexible.
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MonsterEnvy posted:In the current date Cawl has created a process for turning normal Marines into Primaris, but it currently has a 61% chance of failure and death. Calgar was the first one to attempt it and from the description, it was horrifically painful and actually killed him for few minutes. I believe that it was in the voxcast podcast Phil Kelly talked about it. While he wanted upgrading old marines to primaris to be possible, it couldn't be easy because then there would be no logical reason for not instantly upgrading every single marine. The idea that you had to die and be revived as a necessary part of the process was something he really liked and thought fit the feel of the setting perfectly. Which I'll have to agree with.
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All I know there is a page in what I assume is the Vigilus book about crossing the Rubicon Primaris that gives some insight into what process Calgar underwent.
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Moose-Alini posted:Now that Calgar has been upgraded, what are the bits of fluff about the process? I got Vigilus but haven’t read it yet, were there GW articles or videos on the process? I'm just happy that he finally grew into his gloves
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Plavski posted:I'm halfway through Blacktalon by Andy Clark right now and it is, by far, the best AoS novel I've read. I really hope he sticks the landing because it's been truly amazing so far and really pushes and challenges the setting. What does it mean to challenge the AOS setting?
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After my failure last week, this is now your real reminder that the next GG book The Anarch is out tomorrow!
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Baron Porkface posted:What does it mean to challenge the AOS setting? Spoilers for Blacktalon: First Mark One of the big current arcs is the price Stormcasts have to pay for reforging. This book goes deeper into how Stormcasts treat the 'flaw' in the process. Many dismiss it as rumours, but some Stormcasts actively ask others to kill them permanently if they 'come back wrong'. The principal character believes she's been tainted by reforging and is in horrible doubt over whether she's one of these 'wrong' Stormcast and should be destroyed for the good of her Stormhost. The main character is also connected to the Sylvaneth in ways previously unheard of, opening up way more cross species interactions. It also expands on the side-effects of the coming of the stormcasts as many chaos warlords took out their wrath at their defeats on the local tribespeople. For many tribes, the coming of the Stormcasts was actually a huge evil as their lives got exponentially worse. We see the Sylvaneth exposing their genocidal nature - how they are willing to exterminate all human life if it means they can survive. The Sylvaneth have never been true good guys, but this is the first time we've seen them as actual monsters. The book explores the idea of people in the Age of Sigmar growing up with the myth of Sigmar plucking people from defeat and turning them into immortals. Many people think they can just run headlong into Chaos and be taken up, but he doesn't and they just die pathetically. It's interesting to see how the myth of Sigmar percolate down to the vast swathes of humanity that populate the Mortal Realms. Overall, it explores the Stormcasts and their affect on the realms in really interesting ways. A lot of the lustre of the 'good' guys is taken down a peg or two and the world is fleshed out and enriched greatly. It's all done with Andy Clark's excellent style and narrative drive, too. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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ed balls balls man posted:After my failure last week, this is now your real reminder that the next GG book The Anarch is out tomorrow! Please tell me that there an ebook version
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boredsatellite posted:Please tell me that there an ebook version Yes, out now on the Books app on my iPhone, so probably elsewhere.
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boredsatellite posted:Please tell me that there an ebook version Amazon, Books on the appstore, and there's epub/mobi versions on the BL website i've seen so far.
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gently caress DAN ABNETT HE IS A MONSTER This is the most uncomfortably nervous I've ever been reading a book and it gets worse the more you get into it. Dreading the end. Gooses and Geeses fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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Yes - no-one needs this book spoiled for them. Sorry if what I've posted appears spoilery but to be frank you could probably say "Abnett, you sod" after every one of the last five books. I have just finished it and I am emotional, to tell the truth. It's a fantastic book. It pulls no punches but I feel extremely satisfied with the ending and I don't feel it suffers from "rushed ending"-itis that a lot of people say his writing tends to. Never been exhausted by a book before but when you've read every GG book since the year 2000 then I think it's justified. What a ride.
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I can't believe Abnett would kill off a few of the ghosts! Bit more seriously, is Anarch the finale to the current arc or whatever they call them?
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bloom posted:I can't believe Abnett would kill off a few of the ghosts! Yeah it's the finale. There is definitely scope for further books though.
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Finished up Ashes of Prospero the other day, and while the second act slogged a little, that third act gave me everything I wanted.The complete culture/technological shock between the 30k and 40k Woofs was loving great, and that moment when Bjorn stepped forward to smooth things over was timed exactly right. Plus, the horrible realization that the 30k Woofs got played by Horus and then they turn around and back up that Thousand Son sorcerer was  .Started up on Anarch, and from what little unspoiled info I've seen, I'm nervous about pretty much every character who isn't Gaunt now.
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I've finished Anarch and I just don't understand why he made Dalin a woe machine. Yoncy fine whatever, that was built up and had a purpose. We've been in Dalins head for a good few books and he was (seemed) totally normal unlike Yoncy who had the comments of being small, weird etc. Didn't this whole plot idea come from Abnett getting Yoncys gender mixed up? To me Dalin just felt like half arsed shock value. Also not really a super huge fan of them being planted with the ghosts since Vervunhive since that was so bloody long ago and literally anything could have happened to the ghosts (and dalin being a trooper on the front line, esp. his intro on Gereon) since then. Having said that I'm not sure when else the switch could have happened but it's 40k, there could have been some warp shenanigans at any time really. Thoughts?
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Anarch Spoilers: Yeah, it wasn't as good as some of the past. I liked the horror section, but I think it's a good thing that I don't read any of the books often. There were a lot of times where characters were having involved conversations while scared for their lives and it didn't quite fit how much fear and danger the characters were in. This is more about the last few books overall, but it's getting harder to care about the characters. So many of the old guard original Tanith people have been killed that I don't really know who is left. This also has to be the third or fourth time where the First and Only has suffered 30%+ casualties. Has anyone ever done a tally? How many people from Tanith are even left? Maybe now that they are on escort duty it won't be as much of a slaughter.
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Anarch spoilers Yeah. At the time of reading the Dalin reveal was a "holy gently caress!" moment for me, but ever since it just feels cheap. Those Woe machines though. I assumed that Yoncy was just a demon possession deal beforehand. I don't remember anything like those things in Necropolis. Also just when the hell did the swap happen? During the time the kids and Criid were trying to survive during the siege? The Meryn subplot was almost pointless. Other than being the reason that G's daughter went to the cellar and slightly injuring the commissar I don't thing he affected the plot at all. One more thing. This series has most of the time involved only guard and similar opponents but it was chalked up to the Ghosts usually fighting on somewhat obscure battlefronts. I always hoped that getting right into the most important battlefront in the crusade would lead up to more crazy poo poo at least being in the background like more space marines, titan legions, sisters of battle or whatever. Bit underwhelming.
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Womp posted:I've finished Anarch and I just don't understand why he made Dalin a woe machine. Yoncy fine whatever, that was built up and had a purpose. We've been in Dalins head for a good few books and he was (seemed) totally normal unlike Yoncy who had the comments of being small, weird etc. Didn't this whole plot idea come from Abnett getting Yoncys gender mixed up? To me Dalin just felt like half arsed shock value. Also not really a super huge fan of them being planted with the ghosts since Vervunhive since that was so bloody long ago and literally anything could have happened to the ghosts (and dalin being a trooper on the front line, esp. his intro on Gereon) since then. Having said that I'm not sure when else the switch could have happened but it's 40k, there could have been some warp shenanigans at any time really. Eh, I liked the twist. I kinda saw it coming though. Mostly when Milo started falling apart after talking to Yoncy. Might be a bit of a stretch - especially with that brilliant intro on Gereon, but it worked well enough! I also enjoyed various Ghosts pointing out that Gol has been a lovely father which he absolutely has. If anything I'm just disappointed Mkoll survived - that's twice now he's almost been written out and it's a little much. Shame the eagle stone intro was in a dang side story I've yet to read though! Excellent book overall. I liked it much more than The Warmaster and think it was better written, but it's such a natural followup they could almost be one novel.
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After 3 attempts I've finally done what the thread title says and managed to get into and then finish the Eisenhorn trilogy. It's a real mixed bag overall. It was nice to read about something besides SPESS MEHREENS for a change, it was interesting to see how mere humans deal with life in the 40k universe or have a detective story instead of just war but there's a problem that becomes more and more apparent the further you go. I don't know how to best describe it but it all feels so... cold, I guess. Cold and unsatisfying. So many key moment occur that are then given no time at all to be processed, to be reflected upon, to see what impact they had. Hereticus near the end is the worst in this regard. His centuries old friends are dead. His centuries old love of his life is a vegetable. And he just keep going like nothing happened. Barely a change in tone or demeanor. So many wasted opportunities to explore the character a little deeper and we get so little closure. Is the Magos collection of short stories any better in this regard? Will it be fine to read them without the Ravenor trilogy?
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The Iron Rose posted:Eh, I liked the twist. I kinda saw it coming though. Mostly when Milo started falling apart after talking to Yoncy. Might be a bit of a stretch - especially with that brilliant intro on Gereon, but it worked well enough! I also enjoyed various Ghosts pointing out that Gol has been a lovely father which he absolutely has. If anything I'm just disappointed Mkoll survived - that's twice now he's almost been written out and it's a little much. Shame the eagle stone intro was in a dang side story I've yet to read though! Excellent book overall. I liked it much more than The Warmaster and think it was better written, but it's such a natural followup they could almost be one novel. I think Abnett said that this arc from Blood Pact to Anarch is meant to be one big book essentially. Especially with the last two. You should definitely pick up the Sabbat Crusade anthology. For the GG stories but there's also an ADB story in it that's sick. About a Blood Pact tank crew that goes rogue and gets hunted by a Blood Pact aligned Chaos Marine. Really gets into the workings of the Chaos side of the crusade. Really well done.
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Senjuro posted:After 3 attempts I've finally done what the thread title says and managed to get into and then finish the Eisenhorn trilogy. It's a real mixed bag overall. It was nice to read about something besides SPESS MEHREENS for a change, it was interesting to see how mere humans deal with life in the 40k universe or have a detective story instead of just war but there's a problem that becomes more and more apparent the further you go. I don't know how to best describe it but it all feels so... cold, I guess. Cold and unsatisfying. So many key moment occur that are then given no time at all to be processed, to be reflected upon, to see what impact they had. Hereticus near the end is the worst in this regard. His centuries old friends are dead. His centuries old love of his life is a vegetable. And he just keep going like nothing happened. Barely a change in tone or demeanor. So many wasted opportunities to explore the character a little deeper and we get so little closure. You don't strictly NEED Ravenor to get into Magos, but there is a LOT of time covered in the Ravenor omnibus that will flesh out a lot of the Eisenhorn legend that helps in Magos. Ravenor is also a drat fine series in itself, but not without the usual Abnett issues (abrupt endings). I agree with the feeling of disconnect in Eisenhorn. It's still one of my favourite series, but I think a lot of the problem is the first person narrative. Abnett backed himself into a corner a little with that. With Ravenor he switches between different people and to standard narrative so the world feels a lot more fleshed out as he can world build without having to have his characters monologue.
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Idk man using one of your best friends dying bodies to bind a demon is pretty out there for the dude we started the books with. Abnett is far from a perfect writer but he normalizes the awful poo poo our main man does to the point the reader hardly bats and eye when he starts crossing the line in more dire ways.
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