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Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
when are we getting skywind

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Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
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never

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus
Yup, I think it was total character overhaul which was loving everything up for me. I ditched everything and just went with diversity, and I will see if that works for me. I don't need everyone to look all porny. I always wondered why, since I didn't install anything that added nudity to the game, why Lydia would occasionally appear in the nude and I'm like 99% certain it must have been the character overhaul from tucoguide.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Please keep us updated (with screenshots) of your adventures in this regard. I'm looking to get into Skyrim modding for the first time in the next week or two once I have some free time, and I want to learn from your mistakes.

In particular I'm really digging your dive into trying to improve characters and stuff without getting anime porn waifus.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Addamere posted:

Please keep us updated (with screenshots) of your adventures in this regard. I'm looking to get into Skyrim modding for the first time in the next week or two once I have some free time, and I want to learn from your mistakes.

In particular I'm really digging your dive into trying to improve characters and stuff without getting anime porn waifus.

Honestly I was pretty fine with most of tucoguide doing the heavy lifting, I just found that the mods he recommended for making the NPCs nicer looking were not nearly as comprehensive as one would expect and (as one WOULD expect) made a bunch of women look like models and tons of the male characters and less important NPCs looked like straight up poo from a butt. I am checking out diversity now, which seems like a nice overhaul in terms of how many characters are retouched and that they don't look hideous nor extremely retouched to look like fuckdolls.

E: also I assumed you weren't being sarcastic lol

Once I start seeing more popup I might post some screens and then ya'll can see what I'm talking about (and maybe laugh at me depending on whether or not a character looks good or bad). Tbh I haven't even spent enough time with vanilla to know too much what is actually improved, I just know that I don't want characters to look like they stepped out of a 2012 game when the mods I'm using otherwise make it look drat close to current.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

DrNutt posted:

Honestly I was pretty fine with most of tucoguide doing the heavy lifting, I just found that the mods he recommended for making the NPCs nicer looking were not nearly as comprehensive as one would expect and (as one WOULD expect) made a bunch of women look like models and tons of the male characters and less important NPCs looked like straight up poo from a butt. I am checking out diversity now, which seems like a nice overhaul in terms of how many characters are retouched and that they don't look hideous nor extremely retouched to look like fuckdolls.
The bolded part is exactly what I have seen from my vicarious browsing of NPC replacers through browsing Nexus and YouTube. YouTubers in particular love to post videos where they gush about realistic titty jiggle physics or whatever on their chosen waifu while everything else not specifically addressed is either completely untouched from vanilla or remodeled in some other completely clashing way. The latter is what I'm really trying to avoid: lots of mods on Nexus only address specific NPCs. I don't want to have like 4k retextured Lydia following me around through a sea of unmodified vanilla assets. I want everything updated! And ideally not in cringey ways you'd be embarrassed to show your grandma.

DrNutt posted:

Once I start seeing more popup I might post some screens and then ya'll can see what I'm talking about (and maybe laugh at me depending on whether or not a character looks good or bad). Tbh I haven't even spent enough time with vanilla to know too much what is actually improved, I just know that I don't want characters to look like they stepped out of a 2012 game when the mods I'm using otherwise make it look drat close to current.
Please keep us posted!

DrNutt posted:

E: also I assumed you weren't being sarcastic lol
My dear poster, they're all true. Especially the fakeposts.

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!
As a protip, anyone modding game difficulty has likely played so much of the game that they have forgotten how a fair, balanced fight should go. I'm enjoying my panicked dip into Bleak Falls Barrow in Omega, but even on Adept it is kind of a nightmare.

I think the main quest involving you being the Dragonborn also gets some groggier peoples' britches in a bunch, so for ~verisimilitude~ they make sure you need to be a dung farmer for 10-15 levels first before doing what Vanilla expects is your first dungeon.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



So, in my current playthrough of Skyrim, I've been experiencing an interesting... bug(?) that I've never seen before. Basically, a lot of fire/particle effects have had weird lines around them. I've been taking screenshots, so I'll show a couple of them below:







Now, my mod list is super light (only about seven mods; the unofficial patch, SkyUI, a few more bugfixes and menu improvements, and one that adds a gametime/realtime clock to the HUD that you can see in my screenshots; none of them are new), so I'm not even convinced it's a mod problem. I also upgraded my graphics card and monitor recently, so it might be something related to that? I'm running Oldrim at the moment, so maybe it doesn't play well with higher resolutions naturally or something?

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Forget Bleak Falls, Morrowloot makes Embershard mine incredibly brutal. Doing Laid To Rest before level 30~ is also near impossible because Movarth is packing a Daedric sword.

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

Funky Valentine posted:

Forget Bleak Falls, Morrowloot makes Embershard mine incredibly brutal. Doing Laid To Rest before level 30~ is also near impossible because Movarth is packing a Daedric sword.

Embershard Mine was the first thing I did after Helgen in Omega, because I make good life choices. The part at the end with three bandits in the double-digit levels made me panic flee, but once I lucked out and pulled them one at a time I could generally take them.

Even then, though, I save scummed like crazy to pull it off.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
So what do these mods that expect you to start off completely useless expect you to actually do for the first several levels of the game? I guess you could make money leaving the game running AFK while chopping wood, and then grind some crafting skills to gain levels?

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Addamere posted:

The bolded part is exactly what I have seen from my vicarious browsing of NPC replacers through browsing Nexus and YouTube. YouTubers in particular love to post videos where they gush about realistic titty jiggle physics or whatever on their chosen waifu while everything else not specifically addressed is either completely untouched from vanilla or remodeled in some other completely clashing way. The latter is what I'm really trying to avoid: lots of mods on Nexus only address specific NPCs. I don't want to have like 4k retextured Lydia following me around through a sea of unmodified vanilla assets. I want everything updated! And ideally not in cringey ways you'd be embarrassed to show your grandma.

Please keep us posted!

My dear poster, they're all true. Especially the fakeposts.

Love the Garak reference, friend.

Anyway, since you asked, I grabbed a few screens of some NPCs/Followers to show you what they look like with tucoguide stuff/minus creeper poo poo/plus diversity, and I think they look good. I actually preferred the Lydia from total character makeover slightly, but otoh I don't have to worry about her glitching out and working the blacksmith's forge in the nude.













Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Looks good so far, except in that particular shot Serana looks constipated.

I notice you're playing in 1440p. I'm sticking with 1080p for now. Will there be mod conflicts with that if I stick to the install you have?

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Addamere posted:

Looks good so far, except in that particular shot Serana looks constipated.

I notice you're playing in 1440p. I'm sticking with 1080p for now. Will there be mod conflicts with that if I stick to the install you have?

You should be fine. I actually had kind of a pain in the rear end time getting the game to actually play in the native resolution of my monitor, even using bethini. I think if you follow tucoguide he uses 1080p so it'd be even less likely that you'd run into any issues.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Skyrim is crashing fairly frequently. Is there a way to turn on logging so I can get a hint about what is causing it? So far it's crashed just outside Whiterun twice, in the fields near the giant/companions once, and several times in Riverwood and a few other places.

I used MO2 ini editor to set the following settings but the logs in ...\My Games\Skyrim VR\SKSE aren't very helpful.
[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1

LLSix fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jan 20, 2019

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Whiterun is weirdly buggy for me, always.

I just do what I want to do there and don't go back afterwards. It lags/crashes regularly for no reason even though no other region/city does that.

Papyrus debug logging doesn't usually do much unless it's a mod breaking your game, if it's just the client itself, it won't show anything.

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

LLSix posted:

Skyrim is crashing fairly frequently. Is there a way to turn on logging so I can get a hint about what is causing it? So far it's crashed just outside Whiterun twice, in the fields near the giant/companions once, and several times in Riverwood and a few other places.

I used MO2 ini editor to set the following settings but the logs in ...\My Games\Skyrim VR\SKSE aren't very helpful.
[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1

There is no crash logging in Skyrim, because Bethesda. Papyrus script logging shuts down before it could ever tell you anything about the crash. Sorry. You'd probably be better served telling us your modlist.

KingFisher
Oct 30, 2006
WORST EDITOR in the history of my expansion school's student paper. Then I married a BEER HEIRESS and now I shitpost SA by white-knighting the status quo to defend my unearned life of privilege.
Fun Shoe
Howdy,

I am working on getting this going. I updated my drivers to the latest 18 whatever for AMD.

1. Partitioned my hardrive and installed steam / skyrim SE there
2. Downloaded SKSE and installed it per the readme.
3. Downloaded Mod Organizer 2
4. Downloaded Unoffical skyrim patch, and a few other mods.

So far I am just trying to get the Unoffical skyrim patch to work using the SKSE.exe from within the Mod Organizer 2 window.
When I launch skyrim this way i get stuck at the loading screen with the logo and the theme playing and a cursor, but no actual loading gfx.

My load order is:
Skrum.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard,esm
Hearthfire.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial skyrim patch

see: https://imgur.com/7lPgKrk

Ingame this matches my mods and load order as well.
However after clicking new game I get no Bethesda logo and cart ride.

Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
If there is someone on discord who could assist me my username is Lout/Farawen/Loutbank#4598

Thanks!

KingFisher fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Jan 20, 2019

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Every time I try to enter Whiterun I see a Redguard woman walking towards me and my game crashes. Shooting the Redguard woman with a bow also caused the game to crash. Here's my load order. I'm playing in Vive VR in case that makes a difference.

I've already tried turning off the first half dozen mods that seemed the most likely culprit and I'm still getting this crash. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
SkyrimVR.esm
SkyUI_SE.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
SkyrimVR-USSEP Fixes.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
LSFX-SSE-Audiosettings.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
FloraRespawnFix.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp
S3DLandscapes NextGenerationForests.esp
SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Elemental Destruction.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Ordinator - VR Patch.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Elemental Destruction - Ordinator Patch.esp
Point The Way.esp
BSAssets.esm
BSHeartland.esm
BS_DLC_patch.esp
SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
Falskaar.esm
aaaGraniteHill.esp
Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
Winterhold Restored.esp
River Rock Village.esp
JK's Riverwood.esp
ELE_SSE.esp
RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
CWICRFSEPatch.esp
CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
CWIRLSSEPatch.esp
Purewaters.esp
Ilinalta.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
Obsidian Weathers.esp
ObsidianWaterFix.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
NoMoreBloom_HDR.esp
SparklesSE.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
FNIS.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
Book of UUNP - Textures.esp
Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp
CarryWeight x100.esp
WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
UNPB Vanilla Outfits.esp
Gwelda Red Riding Hood.esp
T'Skyrim - True Weapons.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp
Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Andragorn_Weapons.esp
BetterShapedWeaponsLW-XB.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
NPC_Overhaul_V_1_.esp
PAN_NPCs.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
Toccata as Elisif.esp
Toccata.esp
SuperbSerana.esp
3DNPC.esp
Hott Interesting NPCs.esp
3DNPC_FrogCustom_Amalee.esp
3DNPC_FrogCustom_Zora.esp
Men of Winter.esp
The Ordinary Women.esp
IB - All-in-One.esp
Seraphim - PrettyCourier.esp
CiceroFemaleSE.esp
Immersive Wenches.esp
SkyDreamMaidens.esp
mcgFemaleWalk for SkyrimSE.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
Immersive Wenches -Apachii hairs- Patch.esp
Unlimited Sprinting.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
SwiftPotion.esp
Ish's Souls to Perks.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Falskaar - Boat Location.esp
Falskaar - Bug Fixes.esp
Falskaar - Fast Travel.esp
Falskaar - House Map Marker.esp
Falskaar - Temper Recipes.esp
Falskaar - Unique Region Names.esp
HammetDungeons.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
Wyrmstooth.esp
MA-DiversifiedDivines.esp
Overstead.esp
Telengard.esp
vikingmeadhall.esp
VikingShipPlayerHome.esp
Darkend.esp
Keld-Nar.esp
CampNewZainab.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
Ducks and Swans.esp
JokerinePenguins.esp
HeljarchenFarm.esp
Inns and Taverns.esp
Andromeda.esp
Shiri.esp
WWSE.esp
Lucien.esp
018Auri.esp
EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
Easy lockpicking.esp
Better Harvesting.esp

LLSix fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jan 20, 2019

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

KingFisher posted:

So far I am just trying to get the Unoffical skyrim patch to work using the SKSE.exe from within the Mod Organizer 2 window.
When I launch skyrim this way i get stuck at the loading screen with the logo and the theme playing and a cursor, but no actual loading gfx.

My load order is:
Skrum.esm

You should try loading Skyrim.esm instead. :v:

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

Avatar brought to you by the TG Sanity fund
Yeah, playing rugby in Skyrim seems weird.

Also lolling at all the waifu mods, those must look terrifying in VR.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Fuzz posted:

Yeah, playing rugby in Skyrim seems weird.

Oh sure, release a million titty jiggle anime waifu mods and nobody bats an eye, but mod in one rugby pitch and everyone loses their poo poo!

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

LLSix posted:

Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
Toccata as Elisif.esp
Toccata.esp
SuperbSerana.esp
3DNPC.esp
Hott Interesting NPCs.esp
3DNPC_FrogCustom_Amalee.esp
3DNPC_FrogCustom_Zora.esp

Men of Winter.esp
The Ordinary Women.esp
IB - All-in-One.esp
Seraphim - PrettyCourier.esp
CiceroFemaleSE.esp
Immersive Wenches.esp
SkyDreamMaidens.esp
mcgFemaleWalk for SkyrimSE.esp

Everyone else is probably eyeballing the obvious waifu mods but I'm over here doing a real hard :thunk: about what sounds like a frog waifu.

I'm just imagining Frog from ChronoTrigger. But for some reason also big anime tiddies. And I'm howling my butt off.

KingFisher
Oct 30, 2006
WORST EDITOR in the history of my expansion school's student paper. Then I married a BEER HEIRESS and now I shitpost SA by white-knighting the status quo to defend my unearned life of privilege.
Fun Shoe

Cat Mattress posted:

You should try loading Skyrim.esm instead. :v:

So any comments on how to get the most basic of mods working?

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

KingFisher posted:

Howdy,

I am working on getting this going. I updated my drivers to the latest 18 whatever for AMD.

1. Partitioned my hardrive and installed steam / skyrim SE there
2. Downloaded SKSE and installed it per the readme.
3. Downloaded Mod Organizer 2
4. Downloaded Unoffical skyrim patch, and a few other mods.

So far I am just trying to get the Unoffical skyrim patch to work using the SKSE.exe from within the Mod Organizer 2 window.
When I launch skyrim this way i get stuck at the loading screen with the logo and the theme playing and a cursor, but no actual loading gfx.

My load order is:
Skrum.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard,esm
Hearthfire.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial skyrim patch

see: https://imgur.com/7lPgKrk

Ingame this matches my mods and load order as well.
However after clicking new game I get no Bethesda logo and cart ride.

Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
If there is someone on discord who could assist me my username is Lout/Farawen/Loutbank#4598

Thanks!

Does the game run and load if you just run the base game from Steam?

LLSix posted:

Every time I try to enter Whiterun I see a Redguard woman walking towards me and my game crashes. Shooting the Redguard woman with a bow also caused the game to crash. Here's my load order. I'm playing in Vive VR in case that makes a difference.

I've already tried turning off the first half dozen mods that seemed the most likely culprit and I'm still getting this crash. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

(Fairly long modlist excised)

This sounds very much like a case of bad facegen data. It's probably a mod that was incorrectly ported from Oldrim. I couldn't tell you which.

This is why it's generally a good idea to add mods one or two at a time and test the game as your modlist grows. :(

KingFisher posted:

So any comments on how to get the most basic of mods working?

Pretty sure "Being catty about it" isn't going to improve your experience.

Agents are GO! fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jan 20, 2019

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I think I've found my favourite mod on Nexus


Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus
Why are you playing Skyrim on a Nintendo 64?

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

lol the game runs fine with default textures using the onboard graphics on a sandy bridge (Intel's 2011 platform) laptop.

It would be cool if you could drop the detail like that and then have a 100 stormcloaks vs 100 imperals battle but I doubt the engine will give you that much performance back

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

DrNutt posted:

Why are you playing Skyrim on a Nintendo 64?

Why aren't you?

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist
Todd Howard striking at us in 1996.

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

Avatar brought to you by the TG Sanity fund
You guys are really overestimating 1996 graphics. That's more like 2000 graphics. Basically Giants: Citizen Kabuto.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Fuzz posted:

You guys are really overestimating 1996 graphics. That's more like 2002 graphics.

Well there are too many polygons but the lack of textures says 1994 to me.

Addamere posted:

Why aren't you?

That's a drat good question.

KingFisher
Oct 30, 2006
WORST EDITOR in the history of my expansion school's student paper. Then I married a BEER HEIRESS and now I shitpost SA by white-knighting the status quo to defend my unearned life of privilege.
Fun Shoe

Agents are GO! posted:

Does the game run and load if you just run the base game from Steam?

Alright, i removed my install via steam, and reinstalled it and now check a crash on loading screen after starting a new game.

Hmm...

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

KingFisher posted:

Alright, i removed my install via steam, and reinstalled it and now check a crash on loading screen after starting a new game.

Hmm...

Clear out your Skyrim install folder. Almost 99% sure this is because of a borked install that's left files in your installation or data directories. Clear them both to be 100% sure.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus
So uh, how would one progress Dawnguard if a glitch makes it impossible to enter the College at Winterhold?

KingFisher
Oct 30, 2006
WORST EDITOR in the history of my expansion school's student paper. Then I married a BEER HEIRESS and now I shitpost SA by white-knighting the status quo to defend my unearned life of privilege.
Fun Shoe

The Iron Rose posted:

Clear out your Skyrim install folder. Almost 99% sure this is because of a borked install that's left files in your installation or data directories. Clear them both to be 100% sure.


Ok I uninstalled it via steam, and now:
D:\Steam\steamapps\common
is empty is that what you mean?
Or is there another location to delete files from before I try to reinstall?

I uninstalled steam and deleted everything in the directory, downloaded steam installed, it downloaded skyrim, reinstalled it.
Still crash to desktop, guess i'm going to have to reformat that partition and try again.

KingFisher fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jan 21, 2019

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I think I reached "getting tired of swinging a 2 hander sword" stage.... even with all perks, there's only so much you can do without being able to hotkey cast like in morrow/oblivion.

That's definitely 2 handed's weakness. Nightblade it is from now on I guess.

Is there a way to make sacrosanct work well with better vamps? Maybe I just missed it from the compatibility descriptions.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

EPIC fat guy vids posted:

I think I reached "getting tired of swinging a 2 hander sword" stage.... even with all perks, there's only so much you can do without being able to hotkey cast like in morrow/oblivion.

That's definitely 2 handed's weakness. Nightblade it is from now on I guess.

Is there a way to make sacrosanct work well with better vamps? Maybe I just missed it from the compatibility descriptions.

Nightblade was always my favourite class in Morrowind and Oblivion, and even when I made a custom class to minmax the starting attributes or efficient leveling I'd end up with something very similar to one. I've gone out of my way in Skyrim to avoid the stealth playstyle in the past, opting instead for either 2H or 1H/shield. But I'm up for giving it a shot this time around. What is the suggested build for a Nightblade-style character, and what mods might I want to really showoff and augment the playstyle?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Addamere posted:

Nightblade was always my favourite class in Morrowind and Oblivion, and even when I made a custom class to minmax the starting attributes or efficient leveling I'd end up with something very similar to one. I've gone out of my way in Skyrim to avoid the stealth playstyle in the past, opting instead for either 2H or 1H/shield. But I'm up for giving it a shot this time around. What is the suggested build for a Nightblade-style character, and what mods might I want to really showoff and augment the playstyle?

Apocalypse spells goes well with an illusion focus.

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Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist

DrNutt posted:

So uh, how would one progress Dawnguard if a glitch makes it impossible to enter the College at Winterhold?

Does Dawnguard need you to enter the college? The closest I thought was when you were searching for the Moth Priest, and that's optional. You can just go to a carriage or an inkeeper.

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