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Maduro must have been to the mad max/fallout type future if he thinks everything is peaceful and happy. Its the only future that looks like modern day Venezuela.
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Pharohman777 posted:Maduro must have been to the mad max/fallout type future if he thinks everything is peaceful and happy. Its the only future that looks like modern day Venezuela. Dictators must have some real cognitive dissonance to think they won't be like all the others that ended up meeting violent ends when things finally go south on them one day. With the exception of Franco and a few others, it's not exactly a long term, stable proposition for a long life and peaceful retirement. MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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R. Guyovich posted:hello thread. can you do my homework for me please. need to own the drat tankies online. What are your thoughts on the current state of Venezuela? Do you think the revolutionary state is performing adequately? Do you have any critiques or recommendations?
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Jan 23, 2019 07:59
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Lightning Knight posted:This has to be a mistranslation. Did you not hear? The supreme commander visited Maduro in the form of a bird in the first round of elections. It is likely he received another visitation in his dreams with vestiges of the future If it sounds like I am joking I am not
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Lightning Knight posted:This has to be a mistranslation. Nope. That's what he said.
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Jan 23, 2019 09:18
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Chuck Boone posted:
Great! Do you take bolos?
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Lol @ the usuals defending Maduro's regime even as protests break out organically from the cerros of Caracas due to people getting sick of being starved and ignored. I really have no idea how anyone could simultaneously hold the belief that they're on the side that is looking out for the people, as the people are out in the street asking for Maduro's loving head. God drat, maybe entertain the idea in your head that you supported the wrong side all along, that you got fooled by the usual talking points into backing a dictatorship, a dictatorship that was only out to save its own hide as it grafted every cent from the coffers of the richest nation in Latin America, that it was in no way different from the corrupt presidencies of the 80s and 90s. It's OK to be wrong, you just have to accept it.
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Jan 23, 2019 10:37
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I have to say, it's loving disgusting to see Venezuelans praising Bolsonaro, Pence, Rubio and even Trump because they take the opportunity to use Venezuela to bash leftist ideology. Regardless of what anyone thinks about Chavismo being socialist or not, siding with monsters such as those just weakens any argument against the government for anyone that's not a right wing nut. I can perfectly understand people less in touch with the Venezuelan situation siding with Maduro simply because you get on Twitter and see a bunch of Venezuelans sucking Pence's dick. It's going to be very lovely for Venezuela to get rid of Maduro just to buy into Bolzonaro's politics and become a bastion for the extreme right in Latin America. What's worse is that chances are it will actually be a lot better because anything will be better than Chavismo, meaning that if my country actually recovers I can look forward to a decade of arguments about the wonders of fascism whenever Venezuela come around into the discussion. That said, I have to admit I'll be happier if it means my mother can buy her own food consistently instead of being forced to get her boxes of aid from across the world.
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Hugoon Chavez posted:That said, I have to admit I'll be happier if it means my mother can buy her own food consistently instead of being forced to get her boxes of aid from across the world. from where i'm looking at, it looks like we'll get a military dictatorship instead of hyper-incompetence there so chances are she still won't be able to 
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This person appears to be an idiot but also NPR loving loves a war. NPR is distilled upper class white neoliberism.
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Jan 23, 2019 15:39
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What the gently caress is NPR and what does t have to do with people rebelling because their children are starving to death?
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Jan 23, 2019 16:03
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Furia posted:What the gently caress is NPR and what does t have to do with people rebelling because their children are starving to death? NPR is the radio program American centrist liberals listen to on the way to work. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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Jan 23, 2019 16:07
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Lightning Knight posted:NPR is the radio program American centrist liberals listen to on the way to work. And the second question?
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Furia posted:And the second question? The argument as I understand it is that the American establishment is interested in some form of direct intervention in Venezuela and centrist news organizations in the US like NPR are normalizing this position even among far right politicians they usually pretend to be skeptical of. I don’t know who the guy who made that tweet is.
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Jan 23, 2019 16:21
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Furia posted:And the second question? It’s because a portion of Americans insist on bringing their tedious domestic political grudges into entirely unrelated subjects.
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The American "establishment" absolutely does not support intervention in Venezuela or Nicaragua. Most Americans don't even know whats going on and most people who do would never support that. My guess is that this guy heard people on NPR say that Venezuela is a disaster which in his mind = supports regime change intervention.
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Jan 23, 2019 17:16
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Lightning Knight posted:NPR is the radio program American centrist liberals listen to on the way to work. Is there some kind of reason you chose to lie about this? It's not a program, it's one of several distinct radio production/syndication organizations for non-profit radio. Most of the programs on it are produced by independent local stations and aren't even about politics or news in general. For people in most other countries, it would be similar to a portion of the output of publicly owned broadcast networks, but without the level of national control that such systems usually have - stations carrying NPR content also usually carry large amounts of shows originated locally and from other nonprofit syndication networks like PRX or whatever.
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fishmech posted:Is there some kind of reason you chose to lie about this? It’s not a lie, I simply conceive of “program” as meaning the same thing as “channel” because that’s how it was used around me when growing up. Likewise, the only people I know who listen to NPR are stuffy middle aged suburbanite centrists. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But of course, you are being pedantic again. The point, so that we don’t have to have a stupid semantic argument for the next twelve pages, is that it’s on the radio. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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Jan 23, 2019 17:22
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Furia posted:What the gently caress is NPR and what does t have to do with people rebelling because their children are starving to death? Literally no one gives a poo poo about Venezuelans dying, just about how they can use that against or in favor of their chosen political stance. I mean, you know this as well as I do, of course.
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The turnout for the anti-Maduro protests today has been massive so far. It's just past noon in Venezuela right now. These are definitely the largest protests since at least 2017. Some shots of demonstrations in various states: https://twitter.com/jguaido/status/1088104207226494976 The crowd in Maracaibo is huge: https://twitter.com/EfectoCocuyo/status/1088103774898524161 Earlier in the morning, someone captured a National Guard soldier throwing a tear gas canister into a crowd of demonstrators and arresting one person: https://twitter.com/RCamachoVzla/status/1088073081313210370 When I went to sleep last night there were confused reports of as many as five protesters killed by security forces, mostly in Catia. I have yet to see a full list of fatalities, but the OVCS (a Venezuelan NGO that is usually pretty good at tracking things) is reporting this figure, so it looks like it may be accurate. I'd still like to see a list of names and locations to be certain, though.
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Jan 23, 2019 17:29
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Maduro is not a very good President. https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1088105599496318976?s=21
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It's more likely to be ignorance than a deliberate lie on LK's part. edit: oh jeez don't do the "it's just semantics" thing, LK, that's a terrible look. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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Lightning Knight posted:The argument as I understand it is that the American establishment is interested in some form of direct intervention in Venezuela and centrist news organizations in the US like NPR are normalizing this position even among far right politicians they usually pretend to be skeptical of. i don't think many people want there to be some big invasion outside the bolton types. i think most experts think the maduro problem will solve in house,as along as enough powers say "he is illegitimate". unless maduro suddenly starts trying to invade other countries(which he won't/can't) i don't think there will be trouble. also most people don't even know Venezuela is a thing. Nonsense posted:Maduro is not a very good President. he is gonna be dead in week. lol this stupid tankie gently caress wrote a book called "The Plot to Scapegoat Russia", i think his opinions can safely be ignored.
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Jan 23, 2019 17:42
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Local media is reporting two dead in clashes in Puerto Ayacucho. Also, for the second time this week it looks like the regime is restricting access to the internet: https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1088117680027168769
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Jan 23, 2019 18:09
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Anyone have a link to the NPR piece that set this off?
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Chuck Boone posted:Local media is reporting two dead in clashes in Puerto Ayacucho. yeah, rip maduro lmao
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Jan 23, 2019 18:43
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National Assembly pres. Juan Guaido just declared himself President of the Republic in front of thousands of supporters in Chacao https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/1088131542260555778 He left the stage a few minutes ago. Not sure what's going to happen because this is unprecedented. If anyone in the army's going to turn, this would be the perfect time to do it. I think the most likely scenario is that the army will not turn and Guaido will simply get arrested. EDIT: https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1088135346121031681 Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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Jan 23, 2019 19:01
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poo poo's seriouser than normal
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Jan 23, 2019 19:12
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Manage your expectations still, unless there is any significant movements in the military nothing can happen. Maduro is after Juan Guaido right now, and it he gets captured it’s all over. If I were him I’d be gunning to the embassy.
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Jan 23, 2019 19:14
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gently caress. Stay safe, venezuegoons. Fuerza.
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Yeah, my money's is on him being thrown in a SEBIN dungeon before the day is over, unfortunately.
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Xae posted:Anyone have a link to the NPR piece that set this off? https://www.npr.org/2019/01/23/687643405/anti-maduro-protesters-march-in-cities-across-venezuela That one I assume.
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Hi Thread - just so I can educate myself and ask actual Venezuelans - the protests happening right now are organic right? I ask because posters in the Trump thread tell me it is all a US backed-Coup and Maduro is cool and good so I wanted to get a second opinion.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Hi Thread - just so I can educate myself and ask actual Venezuelans - the protests happening right now are organic right? Yes they are.
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Sounds like what a CIA PSYOPS agent would say if you ask me, I'm onto you. On a serious note be safe and I hope this ends up better in the long haul, been ghosting the thread for a while.
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Dude, many people here are left-leaning (including me) and we're absolutely sure Maduro's NOT cool and good, also despising Trump, Bostonaro and etc. Which thread is it? Not the C-SPAM one, right? 
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Negrostrike posted:Dude, many people here are left-leaning (including me) and we're absolutely sure Maduro's NOT cool and good, also despising Trump, Bostonaro and etc. It's the C-SPAM one. Holy poo poo it's bad.
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