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DynamicSloth posted:That is a condition that will never be met because an actual wall would cost more then 5.7 billion. All Trump does is sign this bill and say "actually I'm going to find a way to build a wall with this money" he doesn't have to actually change how the money is allocated he just points at an existing portion of wall, say "there's the wall I'm building with that 5.7 billion" and laugh as the fact checkers give him the same number of pinocchios they give @AOC for quoting Keynes. You're right, the wall is impossible. This whole thing has in fact been very stupid and has involved a bunch of parties steadily driving themselves into a corner of their own making. Even if he can't finish the wall he needs some sort of progress towards it, and although people keep saying he can point to pre-existing wall I doubt that will fly since what the right wing pundits and his base ultimately want is a new monument to white supremacy. poo poo if that had a chance at working they'd have already done that. Clyburn's proposal's dumb but it's not going to be a win for Trump because it doesn't meet the parameters he needs to get the right wing pundits off his back. edit: i dunno here's a cat video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J1ynsuWcNQ TGLT fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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What's stopping Trump from just taking those non structure funds and demanding a border wall be built anyway? It's still the right play but I could see Trump just doing the illegal building just because nobody has the power to stop him.
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Fart City posted:I’m sure he’s conflating those sad prototypes sitting lonsomely in the desert as “production.” The chuds bought it; that's all he cares about. Whatever happened to that GoFundMe they were putting together to Build The Wall?
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1088129066614571008 The thing about McConnell is that he's never said or done anything that isn't 100% in bad faith. He's human refuse.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:The chuds bought it; that's all he cares about. GoFundMe shut it down and returned the money iirc
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Why not just let Trump have his state of the union? Every public speech is another opportunity for him to start sundowning in the middle of it and start screaming for his mother. This isn't a rally, it's not like he's going to enjoy it. but he will enjoy doing anything in his power to go behind Pelosi to have his speech. Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. Trump and co. would be dreading this speech if Pelosi never said he couldn't do it.
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Crow Jane posted:Problem with that is Destruction also represents creation, and chuds suck at anything creative Make him a Creationist.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1088129066614571008 I've never met Mitch but I hate him more than anyone since he adds literally nothing positive to this world so I don't really agree with his massively hypocritical statement. What an absolute waste of time.
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Deified Data posted:Why not just let Trump have his state of the union? Every public speech is another opportunity for him to start sundowning in the middle of it and start screaming for his mother. This isn't a rally, it's not like he's going to enjoy it. but he will enjoy doing anything in his power to go behind Pelosi to have his speech. Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. Trump and co. would be dreading this speech if Pelosi never said he couldn't do it. lol what a bad take
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Fart City posted:I’m sure he’s conflating those sad prototypes sitting lonsomely in the desert as “production.”
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Deified Data posted:Why not just let Trump have his state of the union? Every public speech is another opportunity for him to start sundowning in the middle of it and start screaming for his mother. This isn't a rally, it's not like he's going to enjoy it. but he will enjoy doing anything in his power to go behind Pelosi to have his speech. Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. Trump and co. would be dreading this speech if Pelosi never said he couldn't do it. because he's terribly unpopular and they should gently caress with him as much as possible. why let him lie in the chamber you control?
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Deified Data posted:Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. With all due respect: are you on glue?
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Deified Data posted:Why not just let Trump have his state of the union? Every public speech is another opportunity for him to start sundowning in the middle of it and start screaming for his mother. This isn't a rally, it's not like he's going to enjoy it. but he will enjoy doing anything in his power to go behind Pelosi to have his speech. Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. Trump and co. would be dreading this speech if Pelosi never said he couldn't do it. I think she's right to use any and all opportunities to stall the normal process of government until Trump ends the shutdown. It is in his best interest to make it seem like the shutdown is not a big deal.
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"why not back down and give Trump what he wants?" is certainly not what i expected from anyone in this thread
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Deified Data posted:Why not just let Trump have his state of the union? Every public speech is another opportunity for him to start sundowning in the middle of it and start screaming for his mother. This isn't a rally, it's not like he's going to enjoy it. but he will enjoy doing anything in his power to go behind Pelosi to have his speech. Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. Trump and co. would be dreading this speech if Pelosi never said he couldn't do it. Because he has shut down the government and he now has the sheer, poisonous gall to stand in front of them and go "this is fine, everything's fine and bigly and yooge" and Pelosi shouldn't stand for it.
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Deified Data posted:Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. You should have deleted your post when you realized this. Trump and the Senate Republicans (and the outgoing GOP house for that matter) are the only ones to blame for the current shutdown. Pelosi flexing her power or not wouldn't change this shutdown by a day.
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Deified Data posted:Why not just let Trump have his state of the union? Every public speech is another opportunity for him to start sundowning in the middle of it and start screaming for his mother. This isn't a rally, it's not like he's going to enjoy it. but he will enjoy doing anything in his power to go behind Pelosi to have his speech. Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. Trump and co. would be dreading this speech if Pelosi never said he couldn't do it. Because this is a good opportunity for checks and balances to actually be demonstrated.
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Fart City posted:I’m sure he’s conflating those sad prototypes sitting lonsomely in the desert as “production.” That and the fences that have already been there for years at entry points and urban areas.
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How the gently caress do you give a "State of the Union" when the government is shuttered besides anything other than "poo poo's hosed"? And you want to let him claim everything is bigly and great to his idiotic base? Really? Deified Data posted:Why not just let Trump have his state of the union? Every public speech is another opportunity for him to start sundowning in the middle of it and start screaming for his mother. This isn't a rally, it's not like he's going to enjoy it. but he will enjoy doing anything in his power to go behind Pelosi to have his speech. Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. Trump and co. would be dreading this speech if Pelosi never said he couldn't do it.
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I'm sure a sociopath who literally doesn't care at all who gets hurt from his actions will learn the right lesson if he gets what he wants as a result of taking 800,000 people's livelihoods hostage....
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:This. The kids who used to torment me in elementary/middle school could smooth-talk their way out of trouble every. loving. Time. Even better if you dared to resist in any way they would often rush to tell authority figures, casting themselves as the victims. loving 10 year olds understand how to muddy up their bullying to take advantage of the "both sides, can't assign any blame" narrative, yet the media still falls hard for it with conservatives. CuddleCryptid posted:And no audience members except for sitting reps and senators. No families, no outside parties. Y'know, for security. Makes sense really. Wouldn't want to make anyone extra work without pay unless absolutely necessary.
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At the very least Trump should be the only one miced, no reaction audio at all.Rex-Goliath posted:I haven't been paying attention: are we still on for Thursday's vote or has Mitch hosed that? We're still on for some kind of vote but there's a lot of uncertainty over what exactly will happen or what dirty tricks Mitch will pull to try to shift blame.
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https://twitter.com/chelseaperetti/status/1087757743081943040 Ahahahaha I actually have heard this Christian Prayer before and anyone who utters it needs to be marooned on a deserted island that is sinking due to rising ocean levels.
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Deified Data posted:Pelosi seems equally petulant in all this IMO, yes a real and true Both Sides. The shutdown started in December 2018 when the Republicans held both chambers of Congress. Now McConnell has refused multiple times to put a stop to the shutdown up for vote and Trump has said he'll veto anything without wall funding. The Republicans are fully responsible for the shutdown.
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Rex-Goliath posted:I haven't been paying attention: are we still on for Thursday's vote or has Mitch hosed that? Unless I missed something it should still be on. Which is why Clyburn floating another proposal is kinda dumb, should wait to see how the current batch shake out.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/chelseaperetti/status/1087757743081943040 American Christianity is rotten to the core. That is just the truth.
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Nail Rat posted:I'm actually wondering if Pelosi suggested not having it specifically so he *would* insist on having it live, and make an rear end of himself. She seems to know exactly what pushes his buttons and does so repeatedly. Like calling him Donald lol
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Starks posted:It’s gonna be pretty hard to watch Trump trash Pelosi while she sits directly behind him that's not happening, which is what we're talking about right now?
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Shifty Pony posted:Even better if you dared to resist in any way they would often rush to tell authority figures, casting themselves as the victims. I remember getting shoved repeatedly until I fell backwards onto the ground and hit my head. My tormentor and I received the same punishment, despite the fact that I had a half-inch-long gash on the back of my head and was bleeding--after all, zero tolerance meant that all "participants" in a fight got the same treatment. Ugh.
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Just a reminder, Donny and Melania's Anniversary was yesterday and there was not one word from him on it.
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The fact of the matter is Donald Trump could give the SOTU from the oval office, the senate floor, even from fuckin Trump Tower New York or Mar lago if he wanted to. This is specifically him trying to get Pelosi to back down because he's a lovely bully.
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Discendo Vox posted:That's a very long story. To vastly oversimplify things, the shutdown scenario has three parts: Isn't that what caused all of the issues in the first place? Unchanged funding determined by the Executive branch allows a loophole for non congressionally appropriated funding.
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eke out posted:"why not back down and give Trump what he wants?" is certainly not what i expected from anyone in this thread That's...not my point lol. "Why make the state of the union a fight at all, and give him a false sense of accomplishment when he inevitably gets to deliver it" is closer. Of course we can't go back on it now. I'm saying it was a dumb fight to start in the first place. I thought "Trump and the GOP are obstructing the government from functioning" was the narrative we were going for? TulliusCicero posted:How the gently caress do you give a "State of the Union" when the government is shuttered besides anything other than "poo poo's hosed"? And you want to let him claim everything is bigly and great to his idiotic base? That's what he already does. All of the time. And they believe him.
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friendbot2000 posted:Just a reminder, Donny and Melania's Anniversary was yesterday and there was not one word from him on it.
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