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Dawgstar posted:A new year brings a new Scion update, and this part stuck out: this sounds real cool.
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Dragons I'm meh on. Mythos could be cool if it's drawing from the less-usual suspects or has a significant focus on the Dreamlands. Like, rules on being a Scion of Cthulhu: tired; rules on how a Bast Scion can take the Cats of Ulthar as Followers 5: Wired. It could also draw from the more recent work in the Lovecraft mythos space without nearly so much of the racism, or use Mythos gribblies as a jumping-off point to various other alternate or extended concepts. I do hope that these things are rather modular rather than being "Demigod expects you to collect 'em all."
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Predator Kings are my favorite because I like Super-Amish Murder Machines With Spirit Backup as a thing The Super Amish are the Ivory Claws. The Predator Kings are the ones who are unironic Red Talons, except the ones who made it to the Outback and are just super chill because no one gives a poo poo if they attempt to go murder any giant spirit they see.
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Jan 21, 2019 14:00
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Mors Rattus posted:The Super Amish are the Ivory Claws. The Predator Kings are the ones who are unironic Red Talons, except the ones who made it to the Outback and are just super chill because no one gives a poo poo if they attempt to go murder any giant spirit they see. One thing I was kind of surprised about, re-reading their entry in the 1e The Pure, is how by 1e Harmony rules, the more degenerate a Predator King gets, the more animalistic but also more willing to just ignore the ban on not using tools of man they are. And also the sample character who just is like "yeah I have an office job, I'll do penance on the weekends" because if you said any WtF antagonist was going to be a weekend warrior, I would NOT guess Predator Kings.
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After some thought, I've determined that the proper replacement for the Hollow Ones in a modern Mage: the Ascension game would be painfully earnest Tumblr mystics using highly individual magic systems they based off of patron trolls and We Know The Devil. The trouble with the Hollow Ones is that they come across as both unserious and insincere. I think to make the gutter magick concept work you have to be able to roll with the goofiness. (This applies to Mage in general, I guess.)
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Jan 21, 2019 18:17
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Gutter magic should just take place at the bottom tiers of all Traditions, because many of the newly-Awakened lack proper training or institutional support in the wake of recent Traditionalist defeats.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:23
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Predator Kings are the best. They just want to hang out and be cool Wolves all the time. They actually make way less sense than Red Talons because they still are born human.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:29
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Ferrinus posted:Gutter magic should just take place at the bottom tiers of all Traditions, because many of the newly-Awakened lack proper training or institutional support in the wake of recent Traditionalist defeats. I'd honestly be perfectly okay with "gutter magick is noticeably less powerful than other paradigms, but requires way less training/money/decades-of-study/celibacy/drug-use." Probably someone else will disagree strongly, though.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:34
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Predator Kings are the best. They just want to hang out and be cool Wolves all the time. They actually make way less sense than Red Talons because they still are born human.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:They even call that out in The Pure! A lot of converts to the Predator Kings who are people that were frustrated or marginalized by human society. Hate your boss at your lovely 39.5 hr/week job (and the OTHER 39.5 hr/week job you're working to make rent)? Good news! You can kill him and anyone else you want because the weak should fear the strong, and indeed, you're welcome to sever from human civilization and go hunt spirit monsters. And yet, if I killed and ate him, I’d be the one to... gain a ton of Essence points? Wait just one second here-
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:They even call that out in The Pure! A lot of converts to the Predator Kings who are people that were frustrated or marginalized by human society. Hate your boss at your lovely 39.5 hr/week job (and the OTHER 39.5 hr/week job you're working to make rent)? Good news! You can kill him and anyone else you want because the weak should fear the strong, and indeed, you're welcome to sever from human civilization and go hunt spirit monsters. On the other hand, the Pure are basically straight up wannabe supremacist neo-nazis in outlook in many of their depictions. Like, when you get past the bullshit their overall ideology is basically "One day we're going to bring Pangaea back to Earth (Hint: It was never on Earth. Another thing they were wrong about.) so we can put the humies back in their proper place!". Heck, their own book pretty much straight up called them willfully self-deluding scum. 1e even pointed out that even the Maeljin and their minions have a hard time even taking them seriously since they basically ducked out on anything like responsibility to the rest of the world all while calling the Forsaken the bad guys. The stuff about taking in people who feel marginalized is just another way actual real life neo-nazi and supremacist groups work. It's step one to try and radicalize people so they feel like they belong. After that is the peer pressure and generally all the other stuff that makes it hard to disconnect from the group when the person has doubts. Only it's taken to ridiculous parody levels since it's a game about motherfucking werewolves. So instead of some socially awkward dude going to a bunch of parties and being made to feel wanted and useful while slowly getting radicalized you instead get Larry the Incel being told that yes --- gnawing his boss's face off because he's jealous of his hot girlfriend is totally okay and not a bit deranged at all. Archonex fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jan 21, 2019 |
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Jan 21, 2019 19:27
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Mors Rattus posted:The Super Amish are the Ivory Claws. The Predator Kings are the ones who are unironic Red Talons, except the ones who made it to the Outback and are just super chill because no one gives a poo poo if they attempt to go murder any giant spirit they see. The Ivory Claws are big on bloodlines but like I mentioned in second edition they seem to be more angling their powers and heritage towards riches and status. 'To hunt the Ivory Claws is to hunt a wealthy foe that wields humanity as a weapon, drawing on human resources and organizations to fight the Forsaken by proxy.' As opposed to everyone in the Pure being backwoods yokels. The Predator Kings even got a bit more focus, with not being just about eschewing humanity but embracing the 'ancient cycle of life and death' that was so prominent in Pangaea. So while you can have your gayboy berserkers and smegma crazies, you can also have the atavistic thing from the dark dark beforetimes that brings echoes of a forgotten world with him when he hunts. Neat stuff!
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the joke is that there is literally a group of chill Mennonite Ivory Claws canonically just kind of hanging out in Ohio
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Entirely reasonable for some pack to think humility and hard work are the path to godliness, just like some PKs might go post Apocalyptic biker, especially with Harmony not being so crippling. Tribes are pretty varied in mindsets. I think there's an Iron Masters lodge that's devoted to killing all of humanity. nofather fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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Jan 22, 2019 01:33
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nofather posted:So while you can have your gayboy berserkers and smegma crazies, I have many questions and I'm not sure I want answers.
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xanthan posted:I have many questions and I'm not sure I want answers. Nothing too exciting, just a Mad Max reference. The names of the different factions in Humungus' raiding party.  Gayboy Berserkers.  Smegma crazies. nofather fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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Gods, mythical creatures, hacker names, and even superheroes are all known sources of decent shadow names but until this very second I hadn't considered: almost every single Transformer. Naming yourself Starscream has very powerful energy.
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bewilderment posted:Gods, mythical creatures, hacker names, and even superheroes are all known sources of decent shadow names but until this very second I hadn't considered: almost every single Transformer.
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bewilderment posted:Gods, mythical creatures, hacker names, and even superheroes are all known sources of decent shadow names but until this very second I hadn't considered: almost every single Transformer.
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Rand Brittain posted:The trouble with the Hollow Ones is that they come across as both unserious and insincere. I think to make the gutter magick concept work you have to be able to roll with the goofiness. (This applies to Mage in general, I guess.)
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bewilderment posted:Gods, mythical creatures, hacker names, and even superheroes are all known sources of decent shadow names but until this very second I hadn't considered: almost every single Transformer. "Don't pick Starscream as a shadow name if you intend to stay loyal to your Cabal's leadership."
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Digital Osmosis posted:"Don't pick Starscream as a shadow name if you intend to stay loyal to your Cabal's leadership." Surely it's a scapegoat name a Guardian would take - you take on the role of Starscream to ensure that your 'Megatron' remains in power, be it your cabal leader, your caucus leader, or your Hierarch. bewilderment fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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No, that would just ensure that you'd find proof that if you were the Hierarch you could make the Hieromagus manifest
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Digital Osmosis posted:No, that would just ensure that you'd find proof that if you were the Hierarch you could make the Hieromagus manifest I mean, if your shadow name isn't both an elaborate symbolic operation to support your cabal AND a vector for rapidly developing Hubris, you might as well just use a name you think is cool and not take the merit.
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Shadow Name: Plato is a great pick. Because Plato is Plato's wrestling name. It means burly. Naming yourself Plato is roughly equivalent to naming yourself Macho Man, except nerdier.
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Mors Rattus posted:Shadow Name: Plato is a great pick. 
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Yawgmoth posted:A cabal where everyone's Shadow Name is an 80s wrestler would be loving Shadow Name: Hornswoggle
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Jan 23, 2019 19:52
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Can you smell what the Omphalos is casting?
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Yawgmoth posted:A cabal where everyone's Shadow Name is an 80s wrestler would be loving My Shadow Name is the Junkyard Dog. It has always been thus.
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Jan 23, 2019 20:07
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Time to freak out some vampires by introducing yourself as Gangrel.
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Yawgmoth posted:A cabal where everyone's Shadow Name is an 80s wrestler would be loving I'm an adamantine arrow wrestler that specializes in lightning magic. My shadow name is The Shockmaster.
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Yawgmoth posted:A cabal where everyone's Shadow Name is an 80s wrestler would be loving Ah, I too am an eternal 14 year old, locked in a temporal prison that is an endless repetition of the year 2003.
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Jan 23, 2019 20:29
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God, if only.
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There are years in this world that I might, if offered a chance, want to re-live. 2003 is not one of them.
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e: it me, an idiot
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Good post, wrong thread?
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Yawgmoth posted:A cabal where everyone's Shadow Name is an 80s wrestler would be loving the moros goes for undertaker and everyone just shrugs it off because he's rather dense
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I played an extreme heavyweight in the d20 WWE game (I think he hit drat near 600lb) that was an albino who wore a white leotard with an eye pattern on the front and called himself STAREMASTER. His signature move was to just, fall on people. I called it the STAREDOWN. it was effective if lacking in flair.
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Digital Osmosis posted:the moros goes for undertaker and everyone just shrugs it off because he's rather dense A bit late for the era but I would never gently caress with a mage named Mankind. Kicking their rear end would only make them more powerful. They'd be the sort of wizard who picks a fistfight with an entire pack of werewolves, does a few cool moves, gets mauled, survives, calls that a win, and you really can't argue it isn't.
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