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Bob le Moche posted:Yes, and the constant throughline across all these contradictory posts, as I pointed out, is unconditional support for US foreign policy and attacking anti-imperialists. Just out of curiosity, what does "imperialism" mean to you? Follow up question: Do you think that the actions of Russia and China with regards to the leveraging of sovereign collateral with what are essentially payday loans counts as imperialism? You haven't actually stated a position of your own for quite some time now, so perhaps this can be your moment to clarify your thoughts.
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fishmech posted:Please tell me why you love the right wing military dictator, Maduro. You have all the insight of when someone asks Siri to explain something to them.
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Norton the First posted:You know, somehow I don't think so. I wonder what the difference could be? Maybe it hinges on exactly how rigged the election actually was? It actually hinges on the fact that white people think brown people aren't competent enough to elect their own leader. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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uninterrupted posted:Hmm, yes, the elected government should have just handed over control of the country to people who didn't run. Well, 'didn't run due to boycott' is a more legit claim to rule than 'rigged an election so much that even the makers of the voting machines used said the election was fraudulent'.
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Jan 24, 2019 01:10
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fishmech posted:Please tell me why you love the right wing military dictator, Maduro. lol you're really trying to push this one aren't you? Fishmech you're not going to manage to convince your first-world middle class white liberal friends to treat your rad anti-capitalist identity as valid by explaining to them that all the evil brown socialist dictators they fear are actually secretely capitalists, trust me, you're not going to get anywhere with that. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Bob le Moche posted:lol you're really trying to push this one aren't you? Lol, you really think the guy who rejects medical aid for his people is a socialist.
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Jan 24, 2019 01:12
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Bob le Moche posted:lol you're really trying to push this one aren't you? Come on now, my questions aren't hard. Talk to me if you dislike them so much.
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Bob le Moche posted:lol you're really trying to push this one aren't you? ah, so you want to suck and gently caress Maduro.
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uninterrupted posted:You absolutely said that. Tell that to the families of the people he loving murdered. Like what the gently caress is this world view? Do you have to tolerate absolute monsters just because they say they’re against the US? How about not wanting any dictatorial regimes? Is not killing or starving your own people really that hard of a bar to clear? Is that too much to ask? And I’ve said it before, I am not asking for a military intervention, I’m asking for interference, I’m asking for help. Help in getting rid of loving Maduro so we all can go home.
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Looks like the coup has failed, and Trump will have to use military action: https://twitter.com/evagolinger/sta...ber%3D9%23pti23
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I've got a thing for dad bods so I'd 100% suck and gently caress Maduro (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 24, 2019 01:15
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THS posted:You have all the insight of when someone asks Siri to explain something to them. So you love Maduro because you're unable to think. OK then. Bob le Moche posted:lol you're really trying to push this one aren't you? Go ahead and explain to us what's leftist about crushing the poor of your country and looting the economy for your overseas accounts. I mean it's obvious you and your whole crew are the economic equivalent of new atheists who stop showing up on Sundays but still believe in all the same bullshit as before, but you could at least try. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 24, 2019 01:15
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fnox posted:Tell that to the families of the people he loving murdered. Yeah, ISIS was way better. Keep on yelling about how you're ideologically pure as you cheerlead foreign interventions that have created open air slave markets where people are shackled and cut open for their organs. I'm sure it's all worth it to you as long as you get back your dad's golf course or whatever.
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Hey guys I didn't say anything about the sanctions and don't care about discussing them. I still oppose a coup and believe the actions being taken place today are the pretext for one. Also, I think it's kinda stupid to not see that the past 20ish + years has involved the U.S. undermining Venezuela at every chance it could sanctions or no.
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Am I happy about the role the US is playing in this? gently caress, no. I fundamentally hate Trump as a human being and Bolsonaro's not too far behind. However, there isn't going to be a return to democracy in Venezuela without some external pressure. Do I like US intervention? gently caress no. However, god king Trump needs to keep trying to invade Venezuela by any means necessary
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Hopefully trump can bomb around the edges and Maduro just surrenders! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 24, 2019 01:17
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"I don't like intervention, however" is the new I'm not racist, but
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Maduro better take some cues from Assad in dealing with these foreign backed traitors. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 24, 2019 01:18
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fnox posted:Tell that to the families of the people he loving murdered. You are an impressively stupid dipshit. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 24, 2019 01:18
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Is there anything pointing to dissension from the military over Maduro? Closest I can see is an aborted attempt Monday that led to the arrest of 27 soldiers
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welp, i guess this is on then  fnox posted:Like what the gently caress is this world view? it's really simple, op. Iraqis used to be oppressed people living relatively comfortably on the average, now they're free (lol at freedom under capitalism), and live in the ruins of their civilization, which their "liberators" destroyed, and their entire region is now in disarray/conflict because of the various radical factions the war spawned, causing additional casualties to this day, and it would likely have taken >30 years for the people there to fix their poo poo back to the way it was before the invasion, if climate change didn't kill/displace them first, which it will.
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fnox posted:And I’ve said it before, I am not asking for a military intervention, I’m asking for interference, I’m asking for help. Help in getting rid of loving Maduro so we all can go home. Okay, to put insane ramblings of Maduro-loving rightwingers aside for a bit, assuming Maduro pulls a Yanukovich and flees to Russia with insane amount of money, would he just be replaced by some other PSUV crony or is there a way for genuine change in Venezuela with him gone?
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fishmech posted:So you love Maduro because you're unable to think. OK then. You oppose bombing Afghanistan. You're trying to tell me that the Taliban are left-wing you stupid leftist?
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I really wish the Maduro apologists would stick to talking about Venezuela, here in the Venezuela thread. So again, what sanctions are starving Venezuela? What are your thoughts on the massive amounts of capital being taken out of the country by Maduro cronies? The drug dealing? Stripping the legislature of its power? What in the world does imperialism mean to you and are Russia and China practicing it?
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fishmech posted:So you love Maduro because you're unable to think. OK then. No, I don’t think you’re worth seriously engaging with because you’ve proven time and time again to be completely full of poo poo and never give any ground because your entire personality is caught up in a robotic Just The Encyclopedia Facts loop that memory holes any contradictions. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Giggle Goose posted:What in the world does imperialism mean to you and are Russia and China practicing it? What about Russia and China is whataboutism, dear friend!
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Imagine getting mad about fishmech in 2019.
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Jan 24, 2019 01:20
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When has anybody anti-intervention ITT "apologized" for Maduro?
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THS posted:No, I don’t think you’re worth seriously engaging with because you’ve proven time and time again to be completely full of poo poo and never give any ground because your entire personality is caught up in a robotic Just The Encyclopedia Facts loop that memory holes any contradictions. Talk to me then, answer my questions right above you. I really am curious.
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it's weird to use a million-person death toll as proof saddam was worse than what came after since by even conservative estimates over a million civilians were killed in the us invasion. and that's not including people who died from the resultant instability. odd argument.
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Yossarian-22 posted:When has anybody anti-intervention ITT "apologized" for Maduro? The guy saying that it's actually the US's fault that people are starving in Venezuela is definitely apologizing for Maduro.
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Giggle Goose posted:I really wish the Maduro apologists would stick to talking about Venezuela, here in the Venezuela thread. So again, what sanctions are starving Venezuela? What are your thoughts on the massive amounts of capital being taken out of the country by Maduro cronies? The drug dealing? Stripping the legislature of its power? I also wish we could live in a vacuum where the actions of Republicans haven't defined world politics for the past 40+ years
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Giggy posted:I also wish we could live in a vacuum where the actions of Republicans haven't defined world politics for the past 40+ years OK, you've seen the post, now maybe the questions?
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Giggle Goose posted:Talk to me then, answer my questions right above you. I really am curious. Don’t go to bat about fishmech, I’m not arguing about the sanctions or even defending Maduro. I’m pointing out how this is likely to occur in the context US intervention, how that usually goes, and how bad it will likely be.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:What about Russia and China is whataboutism, dear friend! Ah, so china and russia acting as loan sharks is not imperialism, but the US issuing a sanction barring US companies from acting as loan sharks is imperialism because sanctions.
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Yossarian-22 posted:When has anybody anti-intervention ITT "apologized" for Maduro? The same way if you didn't want to invade Iraq in 2003 you were a Saddam apologist. Or if you didn't want 60,000 Americans to die in Vietnam you were a Ho Chi Minh apologist. Pharohman777 posted:Ah, so china and russia acting as loan sharks is not imperialism, but the US issuing a sanction barring US companies from acting as loan sharks is imperialism because sanctions. This is whataboutism and a tu quoque fallacy
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i'm actively reading this thread so be prepared to embrace the unyielding grasp of american imperialism as I probate everyone
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Norton the First posted:The guy saying that it's actually the US's fault that people are starving in Venezuela is definitely apologizing for Maduro. You're talking one guy compared to hordes of people calling on the U.S. to actually impose sanctions, attempt Bay of Pigs 2: Electric Boogaloo or install another Pinochet
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