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Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


Pesky Splinter posted:

two shop names that I think go unused (Adult Toy Shop

What.

I think I can guess why that was unused.

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Regallion
Nov 11, 2012

Pesky Splinter posted:

380000km = Around the World
380000+km = Reached the Moon

Well, that's a new life goal for TDI i guess.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

ImpAtom posted:

Maybe the items that let you go for multiple swings?

I'd wager there's a few bonus points tabulated with the Critical regions of the hit zones.

DanielCross
Aug 16, 2013

Pesky Splinter posted:

Unconscious:
<10 = Safety First
10 = Wrong reading?
25 = Falling...
50 = I can see a Heaven
100 = Hell's Regulars'
250 = Coma Walk
500 = Closest To Heaven
1000 = Hobby: "Unconscious"
1000+ = I'm Already Dead

:perfect:

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~
Alice being saved from Yuri’s demonically enhances vices by the literal manifestation of his conscience makes a lot more sense than I thought.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Qrr posted:

What.

I think I can guess why that was unused.

If everyone got weird accessories like Alice did it would make getting them a lot less weird.

The Dark Id
Aug 13, 2005

Why
you
know
I
LOVE
THIS SHIT !!!!
[citation needed]

Pesky Splinter posted:

:ssh: It's another trip through the ancient ruins, and all the colours of the rainbow nonsense.

There's not actually that much known about this game's cut content. Not that it's gonna be 100% informative, but a quick look through a hex editor reveals there's only one named location that we don't visit, and that's Changchun - and that's because it's on the world map after you punch Albert super hard in the face and dramatically jump off the train with Alice.

There doesn't seem to be anything listed in the items that goes unused (aside from one of Keith's sword), two shop names that I think go unused (Adult Toy Shop, and Money Mad). There's some garbage data in the enemy list between enemies, but that could just be dummy data.

One handy thing is it does list all the score card info, which TDI said doesn't seem to have been recorded anywhere. Well, here it is:

Battles:
Fought 0 - 10 = Beginner
Fought 25 = Newbie
Fought 50 = Grunt
Fought <100 = Soldier
Fought ≥100 = Page
Fought 250 = Knight
Fought 500 = Hero
Fought ≥1000 = Mad Knight
Fought 2000 = Murderer
Fought 4000 = Black Knight
Fought 6000 = Demon Knight
Fought 8000 = Adversary
Killed ≥10000 = The King of Murderer (:lol: Another typo)

Fleeing From Battles:
0 = Showdown
10 = Follies of Youth
25 = From Guilt To Ecstasy
50 = Flee for Victory?
100 = I'll get Away!
250 = Fugitive
500 = It's Unstoppable now
1000 = Becoming a Legend
1000+ = From Legend To Myth

Berserk:
<10 = Sanity 100%
10 = To Unknown World
25 = Devil's Seduction
50 = Beast
100 = Scream of Instinct
250 = I Quit Mankind
500 = No Sanity
1000 = After Fusion
1000+ = Berserkers

Unconscious:
<10 = Safety First
10 = Wrong reading?
25 = Falling...
50 = I can see a Heaven
100 = Hell's Regulars'
250 = Coma Walk
500 = Closest To Heaven
1000 = Hobby: "Unconscious"
1000+ = I'm Already Dead

Ring Success Rate:
1% = No Spins
10% = I'm getting Dizzy...
20% = Get Used to the Spin
40% = Use "Force"
60% = Take a Shot!
80% = Go Higher...
90% = I can see! I can see!
95% = The Body Remembers!
100% = The World is Spinning...
100+% = Ring Master

Ring Perfect Success Rate:
1% = Lottery
10% = Give me a few tries
20% = Barely made it...
40% = Not Bad
60% = Above Average
80% = Great Reflex
90% = Supreme Being
95% = Conditioned Reflex
100% = Too Slow!
100+% = Mr.Perfect

Discount Rate:
1% =Harsh Reality
10% = Sparrow's Tears
20% = Small Joy...
30% = Just a Little More!
40% = Take it. Thief!
45% = Shrewd Businessman
49% = Entrepreneur
49+% = Master Haggle

Raise Price Rate:
1% =No Greed, No Gain?
10% = Too Good to be True..
20% = Better than retail.
30% = Make it Constant...
40% = Cash Higher...
45% = Use Every Trick...
49% = Like a Con Artist...
49+% = Con Artist

Distance Travelled:
10km = Departure
28km = From Tokyo to Shinjuku
149km = From Tokyo to Yokohama
268km = From Tokyo to Shizuoka
373km = From Tokyo to Nagoya
407km = From Tokyo to Kyoto
546km = From Tokyo to Osaka
686km = From Tokyo to Okayama
898km = From Tokyo to Hiroshima
987km = From Tokyo to Hakata
40000km = From Tokyo to Naha
380000km = Around the World
380000+km = Reached the Moon

You can pretty easily craft a Neo-Geo fighting game intro from the mid-90s just using phrases from that list.

King of Murderer is Becoming a Legend
with his Scream of Instinct.

In his Coma Walk, the Body Remembers
the Supreme Being of this Harsh Reality
Uses Every Trick in his journey from
Tokyo to Naha...

He is... the SHADOW HEART


<insert digitized synth rock track here>

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

Fist of the Berserks: Yuri's Rage

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

The Dark Id posted:

You can pretty easily craft a Neo-Geo fighting game intro from the mid-90s just using phrases from that list.

King of Murderer is Becoming a Legend
with his Scream of Instinct.

In his Coma Walk, the Body Remembers
the Supreme Being of this Harsh Reality
Uses Every Trick in his journey from
Tokyo to Naha...

He is... the SHADOW HEART


<insert digitized synth rock track here>


Honestly, all we need a cyborg ninja and some sort of sentient dinosaur and our current cast would fit right into that hypothetical game. Hell, Yuri alone could provide almost half the roster and his mind graveyard would be a great stage.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
Yuri is the entire cast, just make it a Killer7 style personae-swapping thing.

Zagglezig
Oct 16, 2012
To be vaguely fair to the enemy descriptions, babies and children just seems to be a popular "horrific food source" for all kinds of actual monster myths, even ones that are otherwise completely unrelated to kids in any way.
Like, one of those flying torso ladies with the entrails hanging out has a story where she's just a woman burned at the stake and she doesn't drink a fire proof potion early enough for it to take full effect and poof, suddenly torso monster with a proboscis tongue that eats babies right out of pregnant women.


The Dark Id posted:

shoulda maybe thought of that before early, huh?

to actually hit the final trigger to make this sidequest full available.

about using a sword unless it's were affixed to a glove of some sort.

The Dark Id
Aug 13, 2005

Why
you
know
I
LOVE
THIS SHIT !!!!
[citation needed]


Episode LXXVIII: One Last Thing...


New Music: Nobody Knocks the Door
(This sounds like something out of Silent Hill 1.)



Welcome to Neameto Float. The effect is lost in screenshots but that giant flesh mount to the left is actually a giant beating heart. That is an interesting choice of welcome mats.



I'm glad everyone took the designated Terminator crouching teleportation pose for entering Neameto Float. I'm also happy nobody lost their clothes in the teleportation. I mean, we probably would have seen a nude Roger Bacon as a result of the teleportation experiment test if that were the case and nobody needs to see that. Anyway, the entire party is present for this final stretch of the game even if we're still remaining in groups of three for battles because of gameplay limitations.

Everyone stands up and surveys their new surrounds.



Or is it like a temple...? Or I dunno.
I thought it was just a fancy castle.
Yah, could be that too. It was real hard to tell from the ground other than it was evil as hell. You can also tell how evil a dungeon is from a glance.

It’s like this entire temple is a living entity…



You're a wee bit TOO into this gross architecture...
Just let me have this.

This is amazing. It looks like a movie set, almost.
Very funny! Can’t you do better than that?

Well, you make a decent comparison then!
Ergh... Well... it is like something... I...
Something outta a comic book?
The heck kinda comic books were you reading, kid?
I used to live in Japan. You don't wanna know.
The heck is a comic book?
Hey, I've seen that radio thing you're using for your special attacks. Don't tell me a comic book is anachronistic.
Tch. How do you even know that word, Yuri?
I read it in a drat comic book!
Can we maybe focus, guys?

Looks a lot bigger than from the outside.
Okay, let’s go!



Despite everyone being present for this final dungeon, we still need to select a three character party. No need to change anything here.



That is because we're not staying here very long. Just stepping foot on the Neameto Float for the first time is the trigger for two final sidequests. And wouldn't you know it, a mysterious yellow glyph has appeared right next to Yuri once we're given back control.



The game is very inconsistent as to whether the Float is Neameto or Neameeto. It uses the one with one E for save points and in the dialog so that's what I'm sticking with. In either case, this recolored save point can let us escape from the final dungeon. So let's hop back down to Earth to knock out those last couple of sidequests. Don’t worry, it won't take that long.


Music: Callback from Jesus






And we're back in Roger Bacon's house. And wouldn't you know it! The first sidequest involves talking with a certain 400-year-old Franciscan monk.



Naturally, a machine based on superior science of the planet Gamilans is impossible to adjust.
Did you say Galerians?
Oh, heavens no! I have SOME standards...

Aha!

Roger spins around to face Yuri.




Not gonna ask what we're doing back so soon.
The world has yet to end and the Float is still in the upper stratosphere so I assume no change worth mentioning.
Well, yeah... But...
Enough. Now about this experiment...

Another test? It's all well and good to help, but don't you think it will get you into trouble, just like before?
Trouble? What trouble? There was no trouble last time.
Halley told me he saw you fall from like a few hundred meters in the sky.
...The boy's imagination is clearly overactive!
Uh-huh.

Be quiet! This time everything will be fine -- I've perfected the transfer program!
Wait, it wasn't perfected when you teleported us before?!
Well... no. But you made it there, didn’t you?
......


Yuri shakes his head dismissively but gets back on the treadmill for the teleporter.



<starts running faster>
Grrrr! T-This is great!
<runs faster still> Whoooaa!





gently caress me sideways! What sadist designed this? In order to complete this sidequest, we have to hit three spots on a Judgment Ring TEN GODDAMN TIMES with the dial accelerating each time. By the tenth revolution, it's spinning at a rate of less than half a second per spin. Needless to say, that is rather difficult!



What are you talking about? The experiments from my century depend on it.
...
Well my legs from this century are dying from this.



The game is nice enough to quickly let you restart on failure. I saw this dialogue a number of times until I made an emulator savestate just before the whole thing began to save myself a LITTLE bit of time. This still took me upward of about fifty tries, at least. Or at least somewhere around that. The whole trial start to finish takes about eight seconds. I have six minutes of footage recorded here, so...



Well, you don't need to worry about my suffering. I got it eventually. How does it always come back to rhythm games...?







And with that, Roger Bacon is beamed to points unknown. We probably should have asked where he was going. Neameto Float only took five spins and it's only in low orbit in space.



The sound of something falling from very high and impacting on the ground with a loud thud.



Why doesn't this place have a bathroom, Rog?
There's a perfectly good cliff to relieve yourself off as God intended just outside.
......
But who cares about that?

I went there, I went there, I WENT THERE! To the moon!!
...
What are you talking about?

Roger dashes down the stairs and up to Yuri.



I thought I might die from the lack of air, but I was all right because I left so quickly! My, but the Earth was green!
...
It's tough when you can't die, isn't it?

You don't believe me, do you?! You think I'm lying, don't you?!
How'd you get off the moon?
I jumped. The gravity is quite low and I'm nimbler than I look!
...

All right, here's the proof! I brought back a souvenir for you! Go on, take it!





The point of this whole sidequest is that we receive Yuri's ultimate weapon... from the moon... I kinda don't think this is a naturally occurring moon rock. This gives Yuri +89 Physical and +85 Special Attack. Not too shabby.


Music: Atmosphere - Blow Up




Now let's move on to the final sidequest of Shadow Hearts. This one has quite a few prerequisites which include:

  • Trading the Erotic Book for the Pulse Tract
  • Defeating Orb Chaos, Cherubim and Seraphim
  • Gaining all Level 3 Fusions AND Amon
  • Initiating the Neameto Float dungeon.
Last I'd checked, we've done all of that! Now if we'll back up a bit to the Pulse Tract. Specifically, the description text in the Pulse Tract. Very specifically, the part where it talks about a rainbow... Remember how there was a rainbow gimmick in a bonus dungeon already?



Guess where we have to crawl through for a THIRD time? That's right! It's back to the Ancient Ruins!


Music: Don't Cry My Vampire






This dungeon hasn't changed one lick other than the fact there is a new set of flames in the labyrinth. It's still the same trash mobs of lizard dudes and buff blobs. If we'll refer to the Pulse Tract description, it goes:



The rainbow's treasure is a golden moon - Yellow
burning sun - Red
old forest - Green
royal garden - Purple
ocean's color - Blue
drop of blood - Red
and from the sky to rebirth - Light Blue



That doesn't really have anything to do with the rainbow at all. But once we clear the dungeon proper we are spit back to the entrance and the water drains, revealing...





A weird stone. There's no indication of what the hell to do with this. But, we have gotten six other Stones and they've all been linked to the Graveyard and Fusions. Perhaps heading back there might lead to a clue.



In any event, we've done with the Ancient Ruins forever. Indeed, we're done if every location in Shadow Hearts beyond the Neameto Float and...


Music: Graveyard Moon




...The Graveyard.



Before we actually head into the Graveyard, we're going to mess with Yuri's equipment a little bit. Specifically, we're going to give him the Berserk Earrings to boost his HP by 20%, the Seven-Eyed Mask for some key defense buffing and the Flare Brooch to reduce his SP drain from Fusion by 20%. There may be a tiny bit tough battle upcoming...



Yuri can go dunk on the Four Masks again but it's just a repeat of the earlier conversation minus the part where one mouths off and Yuri demands an apology. No, we actually want to go to the back of the Graveyard where we had that whole spat with Foxface ages ago.



I don't know what kind of filter weird filter they're using for this sunset from Yuri's childhood, but it absolutely murders performance on PCSX2. Or maybe just the framerate was lower back when Yuri was a boy. That aside, there's nothing to do here other than gaze at the sun going supernova in the distance. But, if we attempt to leave...


Music: Tanjou




!?



Welp... This is happening now. Tune in next time as Yuri has a chat with the actual Ben Hyuga. Don't worry about how that works. I'm sure that won't be awkward or anything. And hey, you know we never did resolve that whole dark god chilling out inside Yuri thing...

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

The Dark Id posted:

The game is very inconsistent as to whether the Float is Neameto or Neameeto.

Let's just call the whole thing off.

CmdrKing
Oct 14, 2012

Maybe if I called it 'Interpretive Stabbing'...
In summary:


Bang! Zoom!

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Thank you for reminding me that Roger Bacon's official portrait is completely surrounded by owls.

Crowetron
Apr 29, 2009

I love that the final sidequest is Yuri stopping everyone from saving the world because "Hold up, I forgot to kick my dad's rear end."

stryth
Apr 7, 2018

Got bread?
GIVE BREADS!
This fight, Oh god I forgot about this fight! I think i'm having a PTSD flashback. F@#$ you Hyuga!

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
I liked Galerians... Even if it was clunky and had bad voice acting.

Picayune
Feb 26, 2007

cannot be unseen
Taco Defender
Ohhhhh hell that ten ring. I definitely remember that bastard thing. I was absolutely determined to do it and send Roger to the moon, and I think it took me about forty-five minutes to succeed. x_x

OminousEdge
Apr 4, 2013
Oh this fight. This fight is a GOOOOOOD One. Hope you brought Plenty Of There Mana, and Pure Extracts, because you're gonna need em. Like ALL OF THEM, even the ones you don't have.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"
Gamilans?! We need to go seek out Kato's help to borrow an Imperial Japanese battleship if we're facing their technology!

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~
For a guy that looks like old boot leather and twigs, Roger is remarkably durable. I’d honestly pay for a game all about his wacky science adventures. Oh, and Yuri’s going to finally settle his remaining daddy issues and “possessed by world ending demon” issues at once, apparently.

I expect this therapy session to conclude the only way Yuri knows how: with punching and snark.

Geostomp fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 25, 2019

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

Roger Bacon is immortal, he just didn't get the eternally young DLC.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.
It's not really related to anything that happened, but I just wanted to make sure that everyone remembers that Roger's personal theme was called "Bacon's Juice".

Just thinkin' about that juice

OminousEdge
Apr 4, 2013

Robindaybird posted:

Roger Bacon is immortal, he just didn't get the eternally young DLC.

I wonder if he will eventually end up like that one dude who runs The Black Emporium in the Dragon Age games, so withered and old he is stuck in position, only looking like a dried out mummy and only capable of speech.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

OminousEdge posted:

I wonder if he will eventually end up like that one dude who runs The Black Emporium in the Dragon Age games, so withered and old he is stuck in position, only looking like a dried out mummy and only capable of speech.

Bacon did survive re-entry twice and has looked like a mummy for at least three hundred years. He’s a lot more spry that you’d think. Even if he wasn’t, he’s such a genius that I’m sure he’ll have stuffed himself into a cyborg body or something long before he gets to the point where he’d be seriously hampered.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
That Welsh sea air just murders your complexion but it does wonders for the constitution.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

really, Mecha-Mummy Bacon is on point for the series.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"
I thought the general implication was he was already old when he figured out immortality? He hasn't been aging for the past 300 years, that's just how he looked when he made himself immortal.

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!
No he explicitly said in Koudelka that while he made himself immortal it did nothing to stop him from aging.

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
Yeah, this is a setting where Immortality and Eternal Youth are two distinctly different things.

Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR


What's a bit strange is that it looks like Albert Simon actually figured out a better version of immortality than his teacher, and it's not explained what he used to do it.

You would think "immortality that exceeds that possessed by the legendary Roger Bacon" would be an extremely sought-after bit of knowledge.

Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Jan 27, 2019

Malachite_Dragon
Mar 31, 2010

Weaving Merry Christmas magic
He hasn't been immortal for as long as Roger has, I thought. Roger was already a wrinkled old raisin-man in the flashbacks; Simon is visibly aged, just not to the Cryptkeepers More Popular Cousin stage yet.

Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR


That actually proves the point.

Albert is at least 400. Roger is about 700. So, he is currently older than Roger was in the flashbacks.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
A wizard warlock did it.

Wonderslug
Apr 3, 2011

You don't say.
Fallen Rib
Albert's just wearing the Untrue Dark Ring.

Alaan
May 24, 2005

I imagine better immortality involves more baby stew than Bacon was willing to use.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

Wonderslug posted:

Albert's just wearing the Untrue Dark Ring.

Oh god, I used to invade people and gently caress with them with that ring.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

Alaan posted:

I imagine better immortality involves more baby stew than Bacon was willing to use.

Given what we’ve seen from the Manuscript this far and the fact that Roger deliberately ensured whatever he used couldn’t be replicated, this is the most likely answer.

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Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
It's non-canon, but the Koudelka manga shows that Roger is immortal enough to survive decapitation, and someone punching him so hard their fist goes through his chest. And he's just like ":lol: I'm immortal, idiot."

His former apprentice, Not-Albert Simon, De Gaulle is also immortal, which Koudelka solves by making a giant goat god punch him in literal pulp.
(Read panels from right to left)


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