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i think the Venezuelan government should be allowed to Assad the place because if we intervene poor Russia's feelings might get hurt.
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fishmech posted:The hell you get that out of? I'm starting to get the sense that people are just mouthing words they've heard other posters use.
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Norton the First posted:I'm starting to get the sense that people are just mouthing words they've heard other posters use. I haven't seen this many sock-puppets since Kindergarten.
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fnox posted:I think the leftists need to understand that leaving the poor to die, and an accelerated kleptocracy is what PSUV is. You can probably find the numbers, I don't think I have to post them again, Maduro's regime has massively increased the poverty rate, to a scale that is unprecedented, it eclipses the worst excesses of Carlos Andres Perez's second presidency. Maduro has consistently picked the worst option when deciding economic policy, to the point where we would be doing better if we made economic decisions via coinflip. I sure am glad to see you over here. Come on over to the C-SPAM venezuela thread and we'll have a productive discussion.
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CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government No sign of CIA involvement at all unless you count *checks notes* the director of the CIA himself
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Socks4Hands posted:I sure am glad to see you over here. Come on over to the C-SPAM venezuela thread and we'll have a productive discussion. Don't actually do this.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government Thanks for the year old article. If you jump to the appropriate time in the thread you’ll see we had discussed it already Americans’ will is so strong that the most basic, milquetoast “gee, what a shame” is a nefarious declaration of war. Remind me how you’re not a jingoist again?
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government From “Venezuelan Obama West-Wing’s the presidency” to the director of the CIA publicly admitting it was a US planned coup attempt in a little over a day. This was a wild ride guys, hope we all learned a bit about how American foreign policy works.
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that article is from july 2017
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kumba posted:that article is from july 2017 and what a day its been
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Why does it always have to be a CIA-back coup? Like why can't it be like the Belgians or something?
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Here's some good stuff from wikileaks' stratfor archives: 
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Ah so we were working to destabilize the government even then. I don't think the Venezuelan government is great but it's hard for me to think of a time that US intervention has been a good thing.
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OneMoreTime posted:Why does it always have to be a CIA-back coup? Like why can't it be like the Belgians or something?
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I assume that the posters in this thread who are against US intervention are equally opposed to Russian or Chinese intervention to prop up Maduro, since intervening in another country's affairs is always immoral, right?
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government Mike Pompeo, 20 July 2017 posted:So I want to be careful with what I say but suffice to say, we are very hopeful that there can be a transition in Venezuela and we the CIA is doing its best to understand the dynamic there, so that we can communicate to our State Department and to others. Holy poo poo guys, they're understanding the dynamic. What can we do to support Maduro against this threat?
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OneMoreTime posted:Why does it always have to be a CIA-back coup? Like why can't it be like the Belgians or something? I think everyone'd prefer to keep all their limbs.
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"Hahaha how silly of you to be extremely wary of a country and an agency that have spent the last 70 years destabilizing every corner of the globe hahaha"
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Gnumonic posted:I assume that the posters in this thread who are against US intervention are equally opposed to Russian or Chinese intervention to prop up Maduro, since intervening in another country's affairs is always immoral, right? Not if they asked for assistance. And that's some quality whataboutism
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Here's some good stuff from wikileaks' stratfor archives: Why is the first message dated 1970?
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Not if they asked for assistance. And that's some quality whataboutism it's not whatboutism. this is the venuzuela thread, about venezuela, and you're here to talk about venezuela. it's absolutely fair to ask you your opinion about foreign intervention from Russia and China, which are both definitely actually happening.
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Squalid posted:Why is the first message dated 1970? 1-1-1970 is the start of the unix epoch, so I assume its probably a technical glitch Utgardaloki posted:it's not whatboutism. this is the venuzuela thread, about venezuela, and you're here to talk about venezuela. it's absolutely fair to ask you your opinion about foreign intervention from Russia and China, which are both definitely actually happening. I don't see how Maduro asking Russia and China for economic assistance is in any way the same as the clandestine poo poo the US has been pulling for the past 20 years.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Not if they asked for assistance. And that's some quality whataboutism So the only difference here is whether or not you think the 2018 election was legit (lol). Once you accept that it wasn't, there's absolutely nothing objectionable about anything the US is doing, right?
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https://twitter.com/LaurenPastrana/status/1088569944160256011 i wonder if they had to draw straws
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Gnumonic posted:I assume that the posters in this thread who are against US intervention are equally opposed to Russian or Chinese intervention to prop up Maduro, since intervening in another country's affairs is always immoral, right? Yes. Intervening to prop up Maduro is bad. However intervening to install full communism is good,because not intervention isn't bad.
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Can you link the source please, i'd like to see the rest of the text.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:1-1-1970 is the start of the unix epoch, so I assume its probably a technical glitch Maduro is putting Venezuelan land up as collateral while he gets loans (he will never repay) to keep the government going. China and russia are acting as loan sharks and get to own prime Venezuelan land when the government inevitably defaults, its just as bad as the clandestine poo poo.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Not if they asked for assistance. And that's some quality whataboutism "They" the people voted for the opposition. "They" the military dictatorship are happy to sell out their country's interests to China so they can stash away money in overseas bank accounts though, sure.
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Norton the First posted:So the only difference here is whether or not you think the 2018 election was legit (lol). Once you accept that it wasn't, there's absolutely nothing objectionable about anything the US is doing, right? Whether or not an election is legitimate comes entirely down to which side you're on. China has fair, and regularly held elections with no voter suppression, and yet where is the praise for the respect of the democratic process from the west?
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Whether or not an election is legitimate comes entirely down to which side you're on. China has fair, and regularly held elections with no voter suppression, and yet where is the praise for the respect of the democratic process from the west? Oh word? I guess all Venezuela really needs is democracy with Chinese characteristics. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Whether or not an election is legitimate comes entirely down to which side you're on. China has fair, and regularly held elections with no voter suppression, and yet where is the praise for the respect of the democratic process from the west? Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
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Socks4Hands posted:I sure am glad to see you over here. Come on over to the C-SPAM venezuela thread and we'll have a productive discussion. Holy poo poo whitesplain harder.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Whether or not an election is legitimate comes entirely down to which side you're on. China has fair, and regularly held elections with no voter suppression, and yet where is the praise for the respect of the democratic process from the west? So when was xi or the other major party members elected by the people of china?
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Really leaning into that redtext, aintcha capslock
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Socks4Hands posted:I sure am glad to see you over here. Come on over to the C-SPAM venezuela thread and we'll have a productive discussion. The c-spam thread is even worse with tankies  .
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caps lock broken: of course maduro's election is real, fair, and genuine caps lock broken: let us compare it, for instance, to an equivalently democratic institution, ... china: say china caps lock broken: china! caps lock broken: am i nailing this china: surely
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China's actually a pretty good comparison because their national election process is explicitly curated such that only candidates of which the Chinese Communist Party approves can run.Pharohman777 posted:So when was xi or the other major party members elected by the people of china? 2013 and 2018, by the National People's Congress, which is (to oversimplify the multi-tiered representative system) elected by representatives selected from local lists, lists that the CCP controls.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Holy poo poo whitesplain harder. huh my first post in this thread or the c-spam one and this is ground zero? do you need me to take a picture with a paper bag?
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Whether or not an election is legitimate comes entirely down to which side you're on. China has fair, and regularly held elections with no voter suppression, and yet where is the praise for the respect of the democratic process from the west? What the gently caress?
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