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I once met a friend of a friend who was a huge MacArthur fan. As you'd expect he was a weird, weird dude. Also a former submariner, which made me wonder how they put up with him in such close quarters for so long.
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Crazycryodude posted:"Routing the Bonus Army" is code for "using actual military equipment including tanks and gas to 'rout' a bunch of peaceful protesters." It's not like it was a military engagement, he was running over disabled vets camping in a park with tanks. That's one of the shittiest things he did, not a success. Edit: Sorry for minor derail but a neighbor of my grandparents was in the Bonus Army.
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Jan 25, 2019 17:52
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   They hit a ship trying to move a few troops off Manus to Rabaul.  One of the carrier groups gets attacked.  The second wave fairs better. They even see one of my ships.  I lose a plane going after a tanker.   No kills sadly, but I maintain by superiority in the air!  God drat them.
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Jan 25, 2019 18:58
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edit: Mixing up threads, ignore.
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Jan 25, 2019 19:38
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I see Shinden Kais are starting to make it to the theatre. Unlike most Japanese aircraft these are actually pretty capable of meeting late war US aircraft on even terms, except in climb rate. Historically only about 400 of the improved version got made because of bombing, but I think Grey can do better.
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Jan 25, 2019 19:58
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wiegieman posted:MacArthur is one of those guys where it's hard to decide how to feel about him. He screwed the pooch a lot but he also was right about a lot of stuff. He was notably not racist compared to his contemporaries, so that's a point in his favor, and he didn't like the idea of level bombing cities (because it was stupid, wasteful, and useless) and was gentle with civilians, so that's another. He handled the occupation well. he was very much not gentle with Philippino citizens prewar. the man was a monster imo
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Jan 25, 2019 21:35
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Did anyone bother to check out early days thread weirdo Fredleander's website? Dude apparently published 7 ebooks in a series called Saving Macarthur all about how he did in the Philippines, apparently.
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Jan 26, 2019 19:28
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Nth Doctor posted:Did anyone bother to check out early days thread weirdo Fredleander's website? Dude apparently published 7 ebooks in a series called Saving Macarthur all about how he did in the Philippines, apparently. lol
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Jan 26, 2019 20:30
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Pretty sure a decent chunk of commanders operating in that area at the beginning of the war who've written a book, or otherwise had thoughts shared somewhere, had poor things to say regarding Macarthur. From his utter incompetence in managing the Far East Air Force (which basically led to them being flattened while still on the field), to basically shutting down for several hours when the invasion started, to surrendering Manila without a fight, it's just a case study in "what the hell are you doing?" Adm. Hart (his naval counterpart) definitely didn't like him for a variety of reasons and, multiple other commanders - in particular USAAF ones - shared those views. For a view from the other side, Hara noted down that he was left wondering what the hell the enemy commander was doing, what with absolutely no recon elements or other aircraft out and about despite being an entire day after the clear opening of hostilities. edit: A fairly recent book which touches on the topic that I reasonably liked was Rising Sun, Falling Skies. While it's more focused on the immediately following Java Sea campaign, as necessary backdrop it covers the happenings in the Philippines and it's not favorable at all to MacArthur. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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Jan 26, 2019 20:56
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Macarthur had substantial warning of the Japanese attack coming (due to time zones and his being told of the attack on Pearl Harbor). In that time he got his air force massacred, failed to effectivley deploy his troops to meet the attack, and made a large number of tactical errors that left them being put into a seige and cut off that lead to the Bataan Death March - plus his sort of fleeing there in a PT boat..
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Jan 26, 2019 21:18
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wedgekree posted:Macarthur had substantial warning of the Japanese attack coming (due to time zones and his being told of the attack on Pearl Harbor). In that time he got his air force massacred, failed to effectivley deploy his troops to meet the attack, and made a large number of tactical errors that left them being put into a seige and cut off that lead to the Bataan Death March - plus his sort of fleeing there in a PT boat.. And that's all within three years.
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Jan 26, 2019 21:36
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  The troops at Manus are bombed repeatedly today.  An overkill is a kill I guess.  More cooks and mechanics are sent to the bottom.  This attack was less well advised.  They keep building them, I keep sinking them.  We fend off their attacks.  We take losses, but they take more.  A lot more.  Apparently training and not having your first mission be against a US carrier group leads to increased accuracy.   They finally attack a Luganville – with two base forces. My trapped and unsupplied guards units are powerless to do anything but defend.  Things kicked off in the air today, but and we lose more than we killed for once.  I came out on top overall though!
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Jan 27, 2019 05:18
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wedgekree posted:Macarthur had substantial warning of the Japanese attack coming (due to time zones and his being told of the attack on Pearl Harbor). In that time he got his air force massacred, failed to effectivley deploy his troops to meet the attack, and made a large number of tactical errors that left them being put into a seige and cut off that lead to the Bataan Death March - plus his sort of fleeing there in a PT boat.. He also had substantial warning of the Chinese 'volunteers' crossing into Korea, but he ignored all the intelligence, because he was sure that the *oriental mind* wouldn't be able to fool his insight.
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Jan 27, 2019 06:13
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I also sort of think that one can take his attempts at 'getting' a nuke to use despite being told not to (i'm not sure how true that is mind) may count for something even worse.
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Jan 27, 2019 06:18
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I know we're all hot and bothered for MacArthur chat, but how is the tanker/oiler sitch for the Allies? Just getting a chance to catch up on the after a bit, and that was a brutal day a few back
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Jan 27, 2019 08:13
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26 January 1945 Frigate HMS Manners loses her stern to U-1172's homing torpedo in the Irish Sea, remaining afloat but not worth repair.
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Jan 27, 2019 08:32
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  Now this is new.  Munda gets some protection for once.  This does cost me some carrier aircraft though!   At least she's a small one.   Burma flares up again today.  A day of scattered air battles.  And a sinking.
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Jan 27, 2019 18:59
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Whoa, what the hell happened with the Manchuko garrison? Do the troops mountaineering their way to India count towards it all of a sudden?
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Jan 28, 2019 00:47
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habeasdorkus posted:As you'd expect he was a weird, weird dude. Also a former submariner, But you repeat yourself.
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Jan 28, 2019 01:46
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mercenarynuker posted:Whoa, what the hell happened with the Manchuko garrison? Do the troops mountaineering their way to India count towards it all of a sudden? It's been pretty high for a while. I think the deal is that the units are in restricted commands, so Grey would need to spend PP to pull them out, but he is stuck at 0 PP because of some bugged air groups that he can't withdraw.
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Jan 28, 2019 07:02
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:26 January 1945 rude
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Jan 28, 2019 07:20
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:rough terrain ops are the raison d'etre of light infantry dude I'm calling out MacArthur for making GBS threads on some of his best light infantry. The Kokoda Trail campaign was a brutal test of endurance that the Aussies won by being tough SOBs.
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Jan 28, 2019 07:42
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mllaneza posted:I'm calling out MacArthur for making GBS threads on some of his best light infantry. The Kokoda Trail campaign was a brutal test of endurance that the Aussies won by being tough SOBs.
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Jan 28, 2019 08:31
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It's kinda hilarious how many sternless boats the Allies have knocking around. The assless corvette.
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Jan 28, 2019 09:53
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How many boats has the Albacore sunk already. I would be surprised if the original captain is still in charge of it given his absurd tonnage he has sunk.
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Jan 28, 2019 10:04
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aphid_licker posted:It's kinda hilarious how many sternless boats the Allies have knocking around. The assless corvette. They just gotta find one with no bow and weld them together! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Zubian
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Jan 28, 2019 12:03
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  It's back to targetting Rabaul today! Well, for one raid.  They are winning, but they are not enjoying it.  A boring day, all I can do is look at my crippling lack of supplies. We've hit that point in the war now where my much larger force than historical is consuming more supplies than my tiny factories can produce. 
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Jan 28, 2019 19:07
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Aha, this was the allied plan all along. The Croctopus is too big for his bowl.
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Jan 28, 2019 19:12
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Note that the Allied units attacking Luganville are base forces, not combat troops. It will be great if the Allies manage to pull off a clerks-and-engineers amphibious assault.
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Jan 28, 2019 19:23
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Every Kiwi a Rifleman!
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A boring day, all I can do is look at my crippling lack of supplies. We've hit that point in the war now where my much larger force than historical is consuming more supplies than my tiny factories can produce. The only thing you can do is turn off all replacements for your troops and all construction at your bases to save supply What is your supply situation (total supplies) ?
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Jan 28, 2019 21:59
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28 January 1945 USS Spadefish torpedoes the Japanese escort Kume near Tsingtao. aphid_licker posted:It's kinda hilarious how many sternless boats the Allies have knocking around. The assless corvette. Homing torpedoes, man. That and small, relatively fragile warships. Leperflesh posted:rude I couldn't come up with any satisfactory jokes at time of writing. 
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Jan 29, 2019 01:49
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Clearly, losing a stern is survivable. Losing the bow is not. We should more heavily armor the bows of our ships.
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Jan 29, 2019 03:51
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It is a crime that US subs are no longer named after fish.
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Jan 29, 2019 04:48
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Bold Robot posted:Note that the Allied units attacking Luganville are base forces, not combat troops. It will be great if the Allies manage to pull off a clerks-and-engineers amphibious assault. Well, you gotta admit they're due for a success with one of those.
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Jan 29, 2019 04:54
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pthighs posted:It is a crime that US subs are no longer named after fish. yeah well, fish don't vote and subs are expensive.
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Jan 29, 2019 04:57
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Jonny Nox posted:yeah well, fish don't vote and subs are expensive. Land of the Free my rear end!
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Jan 29, 2019 05:00
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Land of the Bream my Bass!
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dublish posted:Clearly, losing a stern is survivable. Losing the bow is not. We should more heavily armor the bows of our ships. I refer you to the Battle of Tassafaronga, where not one, but TWO cruisers had their bows blown entirely off by Long Lances but managed to survive and limp into a close by harbor for temporary (coconut tree) bows to be constructed. Yes, they were sailed backwards, why do you ask?   That's USS New Orleans, and that class of ship is supposed to have two turrets in the front, that's how much of the bow was lost. In terms of ratio, that's roughly the front quarter of the ship missing. USS Minneapolis managed to lose slightly less and kept both its forward turrets, but only barely.
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Compartmentalisation is a hell of a thing when done properly.
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