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Vincent Valentine posted:I'm honestly surprised either one has left the offers on the table this long. they were both made at the end of internships i think? he prob doesn't graduate until spring
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the talent deficit posted:they were both made at the end of internships i think? he prob doesn't graduate until spring This, and both companies are super flexible on this kind of stuff - neither of them think exploding offers are fair, so they are willing to give you as much time as you want.
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How would you guys go about listing your bootcamp experience after already having a job and applying for your second? I'm debating between leaving it off, or marking it as "Self Taught Programming" or something along those lines in order to avoid leaving a 4 month gap in my resume. For what it's worth, it was a self-paced online program, it felt much closer to being self taught than going through much more of a traditional bootcamp, so I don't think this would be too inaccurate. Edit: Whoops, technically a 4 month (not 3) gap. reversefungi fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jan 23, 2019 |
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Jan 23, 2019 00:35
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3 month gap isn't that bad and you may not even have to explain it at all. If someone asks you can just say what you just told us.
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Jan 23, 2019 00:46
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The Dark Wind posted:How would you guys go about listing your bootcamp experience after already having a job and applying for your second? I'm debating between leaving it off, or marking it as "Self Taught Programming" or something along those lines in order to avoid leaving a 3 month gap in my resume. For what it's worth, it was a self-paced online program, it felt much closer to being self taught than going through much more of a traditional bootcamp, so I don't think this would be too inaccurate. I omit it from my resume entirely. If someone asks about how I got into the field in an interview, I might bring it up then.
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Jan 23, 2019 00:53
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So, I have an interview lined up through the lead developer at the company I work at. I've never worked in any sort of professional capacity in development, but I've been playing with code for around 20 years at this point. The lead dev and I get on very well and we're always talking about development things so he knows I know something. The interview he lined up for me is sort of an informal "I know a guy who can help you get started " kind of thing. I'm super pumped and excited about it with one caveat, I'll be doing PHP, which is something I haven't touched since uh I don't even know how long. The guy interviewing me knows this and his response is "that's OK, if you know one you can work in them all". I'll be talking with the guy on Saturday. Any advice on things I should read up on specific to php? I'm almost certain I'll get some work out of this, but would rather have some insight from someone who works with php about the current php stack.
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Jan 23, 2019 13:02
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Learn about Composer. In PHP, we install libraries at the project level nowadays. You don't need all the details, just enough to composer init, composer require, and composer install. It's also worth knowing how to use the standardized request/response interfaces instead of echoing text or setting headers directly. They prevent many of the old PHP footgun patterns. PHP also supports static type hints since 5.6. They're optional, but using them everywhere is a sign of good code quality.
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Jan 23, 2019 14:07
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My status at Amazon went from “Under Review” to “Application Submitted.” Anyone know what that means? Just finished a phone screen after doing the 2 hour online assessment previously.
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Acer Pilot posted:My status at Amazon went from “Under Review” to “Application Submitted.” Anyone know what that means? Just finished a phone screen after doing the 2 hour online assessment previously. Mines been 'Under Review' for two months since taking the assessment but unlike you I haven't even gotten the phone screening. HTH
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Spend the last few days updating my resume, which you all can see here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5v80lkqzvwqnpd/Resume%20%28Anonymous%29.pdf?dl=0 Any comments/suggestions? Thanks in advance for anyone who pitches in with advice, it's all welcome and appreciated.
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Jan 24, 2019 19:59
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The Dark Wind posted:Spend the last few days updating my resume, which you all can see here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5v80lkqzvwqnpd/Resume%20%28Anonymous%29.pdf?dl=0
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Jan 24, 2019 23:50
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The Dark Wind posted:Spend the last few days updating my resume, which you all can see here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5v80lkqzvwqnpd/Resume%20%28Anonymous%29.pdf?dl=0 For Company B change search engine visibility to SEO because recruiters search for keywords and that's a commonly used one. I would omit GPA. Nobody cares unless you are a fresh graduate. It looks fine to me overall, although I am on the data science end of things as opposed to software dev.
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Jan 25, 2019 01:35
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pokie posted:I would omit GPA. Nobody cares unless you are a fresh graduate.
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Jan 25, 2019 02:40
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Requirements are never really required in my experience
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Jan 25, 2019 03:13
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rt4 posted:Requirements are never really required in my experience requirements are sort of like opening salvoes in a negotiation with nothing in particular "must have PHD and 5 years machine learning experience" is more of a blustering statement that you gotta know how to do machine learning than it is an actual statement about any facts about the world or of real requirements. frankly, lots of that sort of position, nobody knows how to do linear regressions the "must have 10 years experience in swift" dealies come about because of this, because the listing of requirements in resumes is a genteel art, rarefied and only touching reality in the absolute most diaphanous of ways
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Jan 25, 2019 03:20
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Yeah, no kidding. FWIW virtually every data science job description reads the same. All the technical reqs are about the same. Hiring managers have no idea how to write this poo poo, so I just skim it for red flags like "travel".
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Jan 25, 2019 03:33
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sterster posted:Ya know I agree. But when I was job hunting Garmin near me request 3.5+ gpa in their requirements. Made me question it for a bit. Speaking specifically about Garmin, their GPA “requirements” are fluid depending on experience though I’m not really sure where the cutoffs are. I didn’t have my GPA anywhere on my resume or in my online application when I applied two years ago, but I had twelve years of experience under my belt and they didn’t even ask. Now I’m a senior firmware engineer in their Fitness group despite having graduated college with a sub-3 GPA. It’s fun seeing the look on my coworkers’ faces if they ever find out  Point is, even if some place *claims* to care drop an application anyway. It’s always worth a shot!
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sterster posted:Ya know I agree. But when I was job hunting Garmin near me request 3.5+ gpa in their requirements. Made me question it for a bit. GPA requirements are there for one of two reasons. First, the company has so many garbage candidates that a GPA guideline aids HR by establishing a cutoff filter for candidates that they should not bother passing on to the hiring manager. Second, the people writing the job requirements or interviewing the candidates feel that a high GPA means quality and the ability to learn new things quickly. In my experience, both of these are still going to give you a lot of false positives and negatives. I'd much rather have a fresh graduate with a 2.8 GPA with some nice side projects and a good attitude than I would an insufferable know-it-all with a 4.0. Besides, a lot of people with a lower overall GPA have a higher GPA for the major-specific courses. I've seen people hedge their bets by listing both the overall and major-specific GPAs if there is a major discrepancy between the two. A good hiring manager will ignore a low GPA for a good candidate. A savvy hiring manager will cite a low GPA as yet another strike against a bad candidate when justifying the decision to HR. Keep the GPA on your resume to get hired for your first job if you must. That's the only time it might look suspicious if it is missing. I'd just omit the thing until they ask for it. Once you get hired at that job, remove it from your resume and say goodbye to it forever. rt4 posted:Requirements are never really required in my experience This is very true. In my experience, someone with all of the listed requirements is actually way over-qualified for the position.
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requirements are like a jellyfish floating through the air, zapping HR folks in gentle ways in the deep darkness requirements are like the luminiferous ether, unimpinged by the world but providing a conduit for gentle rosy-fingered dawn to climb throughout the world requirements are like the gossamer of spiderlings who fly to strange places and partake of strange dew. like butterflies in the sunny afternoon, lighting on the HR peeps and sipping graceful drops of honeysuckle
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when you see the wing of a dragonfly shimmering in the wind, you see a requirement in the lightness when a snowflake melts in the heat of your hair, in its evanescent core lies a drop of requirements in the soul of a wee child lies a requirement. it is wiped away when they trudge to the HR mines
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Requirements are flexible, but if there's a list, the requirements near the bottom tend to be more flexible than the ones near the top.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:requirements are sort of like opening salvoes in a negotiation with nothing in particular Where do you get the bolded statement from? Experience? The aether? I'd like to hear more.
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pokie posted:Yeah, no kidding. FWIW virtually every data science job description reads the same. All the technical reqs are about the same. Hiring managers have no idea how to write this poo poo, so I just skim it for red flags like "travel". e: nm, I thought this was about CVs rather than jobs Private Speech fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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MickeyFinn posted:Where do you get the bolded statement from? Experience? The aether? I'd like to hear more. Machine learning freelancing Pro tip: don't do machine learning freelancing even if you're charging gobs, there's too much stupid
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The Dark Wind posted:Spend the last few days updating my resume, which you all can see here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5v80lkqzvwqnpd/Resume%20%28Anonymous%29.pdf?dl=0 Remove "Associate" from "Associate Software Engineer". Different places call different roles "Associate" and you don't want to diminish your skills because Company A thinks that associate == junior and your company thinks associate == something else
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Slimy Hog posted:Remove "Associate" from "Associate Software Engineer". Different places call different roles "Associate" and you don't want to diminish your skills because Company A thinks that associate == junior and your company thinks associate == something else I always wondered, how kosher is it to do that on a resume? Technically my title at my company is Associate Software Engineer, II. If it's a normal practice, I'll definitely be keeping it simply as Software Engineer instead.
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The Dark Wind posted:I always wondered, how kosher is it to do that on a resume? Technically my title at my company is Associate Software Engineer, II. If it's a normal practice, I'll definitely be keeping it simply as Software Engineer instead. There is a remote possibility of a very old school employer calling your prev job and docking you points for changing the title. I find this possibility so low as to be irrelevant. I used the same job title for all of my 5+ jobs on my resume regardless of what they technically hired me as.
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I mean, within limits ofc. Probably don't change it to 'lead architect'.
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My job titles have had as much to do with my responsibilities as does saying I speak English describes my specific vocabulary.
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I label my jobs based on the role I performed, not the official title that company gave me, with an eye towards hitting automated keyword matching. Thus I have "Software Engineer" and "Software Developer" a lot, with various adjectives included, all based on what the target company seems to use or want.
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Thanks all! This is good information to know. Would you say the same applies for LinkedIn?
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What do you do if you're like 90% sure your manager has no loving clue what your strengths are or how to use you and you work in a place where knowledge of the literal product is more important for success than any sort of problem solving or engineering skills, and someone you're interviewing with asks for a number to call for a reference? Of course there's the chance I'm the sort of idiot who's to stupid to see that I'm actually a bad dev, but ultimately I think my boss would give me an unfairly bad review in this case.
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The Dark Wind posted:Thanks all! This is good information to know. Would you say the same applies for LinkedIn? Yeah, my Linkedin is virtually identical to my resume. If I cared more I would try to throw in more buzzwords in there for search engines, I guess. Joda posted:What do you do if you're like 90% sure your manager has no loving clue what your strengths are or how to use you and you work in a place where knowledge of the literal product is more important for success than any sort of problem solving or engineering skills, and someone you're interviewing with asks for a number to call for a reference? Do you have a coworker who could give a good believable rec instead?
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pokie posted:Do you have a coworker who could give a good believable rec instead? Not really. Very rarely do I get to actually show off, and the few people who see and get where I'm coming from with my more generally architectural and utility based work are grunts like myself with little authority. Also, don't have the sort of rapport with them that I could ask it of them.
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mmm11105 posted:This, and both companies are super flexible on this kind of stuff - neither of them think exploding offers are fair, so they are willing to give you as much time as you want. The NY place flew me out to visit to talk teams with them, see where I'd be placed if I took the job. Pretty much reaffirmed what I already knew. The work there is definitely more technically complicated and specialized, I'd get to work on some very technically interesting projects, at the expense of a little less variety and less exposure to the business as a whole. New York is as I remember, interesting but annoying from a livability perspective, trains are still always late, spend an hour and half stuck in traffic on the highway in a Lyft trying to get to the airport, which is all delayed because of political nonsense. Spoke with the tech manager there, he said he doesn't see any reason why they wouldn't be willing offer me a position again in a couple of years if I want to go elsewhere in the meantime, unless something happens that makes them cut hiring. Also made the suggestion that I could just take some of the signing bonus and spend a month or two in Japan before starting - though it's not quite the same, I generally enjoy living in places more than just tourism, you get a break from the touristing during the week and get to see a different side of things. By the end of my day of meetings there I had mostly talked myself into taking the NY job, but as I'm waiting for my plane back I find myself starting to drift back the other way.
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mmm11105 posted:By the end of my day of meetings there I had mostly talked myself into taking the NY job, but as I'm waiting for my plane back I find myself starting to drift back the other way.
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mmm11105 posted:The NY place flew me out to visit to talk teams with them, see where I'd be placed if I took the job. Pretty much reaffirmed what I already knew. The work there is definitely more technically complicated and specialized, I'd get to work on some very technically interesting projects, at the expense of a little less variety and less exposure to the business as a whole. New York is as I remember, interesting but annoying from a livability perspective, trains are still always late, spend an hour and half stuck in traffic on the highway in a Lyft trying to get to the airport, which is all delayed because of political nonsense. I'm at the point where I sincerely hope both companies pull their offers because your inability to make a loving decision is making me hate everything about a person I don't even know.
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I'm not so much angry as I'm imagining myself looking at his offers on the table and then seeing him pick the NYC offer and then pointing to the leftover Japan offer and being like hey man you gonna eat that??? Like a fat dude at dinner
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