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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Paul Ryan had constant problems from 2010 to 2016 herding the Freedom Caucus back into the fold every time there was even a half-way contentious vote, and they totally hosed him on several of his smaller projects, if not on his signature pieces of legislature (Obamacare repeal, tax cuts). This was partly because a Speaker's main tools for forcing compliance are awarding and revoking committee seats and the withholding or de-prioritizing of campaign fundraising, but Paul Ryan had real problems resorting to that last tool, because fractious Tea Party types could always run off and suck up to the Kochs to get more money. This is a more specific accounting of the House GOP's failure than me simply saying that they failed on the merits of the policies, so I guess I'll back off this hill.
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Groovelord Neato posted:paul ryan was also a mondo idiot. This growing until it blocks out the sun
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Unoriginal Name posted:Concerted action by labor (specifically air traffic controllers) pushed this result, not Nancy loving Pelosi This is also a great point! The main reason everyone here is so pumped is because there was finally a thing Dems didn't fold cheap suits on like they usually do.
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bird cooch posted:Nancy Pelosi got single payer through the house. So, I don't know, read some history? *Public option
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Groovelord Neato posted:paul ryan was also a mondo idiot. Yeah never forget the greatest Paul Ryan moment, when Joe Biden unleashed all the raw contempt he wasn't allowed to use on Palin in that debate. Biden needs to be kept way away from the nomination for many good reasons but never take away him recognizing decorum was for idiots and just repeatedly pointing out Ryan was a lying idiot.
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Family Values posted:Hm yes, sometimes democracy makes a mistake and you end up with an idiot like Trump as president for 4 years. That's why you make sure it's an extremist leftist regime that wins the final coup, genius.
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ErIog posted:This is also a great point! The main reason everyone here is so pumped is because there was finally a thing Dems didn't fold cheap suits on like they usually do. Which, given my lifetime's experience of the democratic party, is not nothing.
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https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1088924517970386945Feinne posted:Yeah never forget the greatest Paul Ryan moment, when Joe Biden unleashed all the raw contempt he wasn't allowed to use on Palin in that debate. Biden needs to be kept way away from the nomination for many good reasons but never take away him recognizing decorum was for idiots and just repeatedly pointing out Ryan was a lying idiot. i'll never get tired of bringing it up - paul ryan's social security privatization plan would've led to full communism.
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Involuntary Sparkle posted:Is the House voting tonight? And are they doing a voice vote? I was under the impression the bill sent to the senate - which they just passed - IS the house bill, which was already passed long ago.
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Gatts posted:Keeping in mind that I think some foreign leaders are looking to Nancy for stability unofficially since she was supposed to go and make rounds to make our NATO allies comfortable with the US. I think during Trump's remaining Term she's gonna have some clout. I actually would not mind this being a reversal of enormous power the President has, and more powers coming back to the Legislature. We have given far too much power to the Executive for too long, and it's high time it swings back a bit. Setting up the Speaker of the House as a Prime Minister-lite position contrast to the President is not a bad idea
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Kerning Chameleon posted:That's why you make sure it's an extremist leftist regime that wins the final coup, genius. Ah right, I forgot the cunning plan of 'make sure to win'.
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1088924517970386945 Gonna be funny when Trump himself is hit with something and Fox claims that he was just a coffee boy for the Trump campaign
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I was under the impression the bill sent to the senate - which they just passed - IS the house bill, which was already passed long ago. It was apparently a different bill, and just saw it's scheduled for 6:30pm eastern.
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a lot of americans consider nordic model social democracy to be socialism.TulliusCicero posted:Does Oingo-Boingo really have a permanent seat on that hell panel? I thought he was just a guest do you think he loves little girls too?
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Does Oingo-Boingo really have a permanent seat on that hell panel? I thought he was just a guest
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my bony fealty posted:Gonna be funny when Trump himself is hit with something and Fox claims that he was just a coffee boy for the Trump campaign The main defense of Trump in the Russia investigation was that he was too stupid or removed to know what was going on, so its already basically that
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1088924517970386945 I just turned on the Five and they're crying about how its unfair for poor people to want rich people like them to be taxed more because they don't have skin in the game. Like they're literally sitting there saying "I worked hard to be rich". Also that THIS is the reason Trump was elected, not the Wall. Its a fun day for Republicans.
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Feldegast42 posted:The two SCOTUS seats have given conservatives and reactionaries veto power over basically whatever congress and the president wants to pass for a generation, so yeah, its a pretty drat successful presidency Nuke the filibuster with respect to judicial legislation only (argue that judicial legislation are closely related to judicial appointments, no reason for one to be 50 and the other to be 60), merge supreme court with circuit courts, add 100 circuit judges, random 9 judge panel drawn from all circuit judges for supreme court cases. Bing bang so simple problem solved.
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sincx posted:Assuming dems get presidency and senate in 2020: do you like, not know what the constitution is or something
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If the Supreme Court puts themselves in the way of everything it’ll at some point come down to just loving ignoring them.
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sincx posted:Bing bang so simple problem solved. It doesn't solve the problem that demographic trends mean an increasing share of representation will be based on land, not people.
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my bony fealty posted:Gonna be funny when Trump himself is hit with something and Fox claims that he was just a coffee boy for the Trump campaign Don't be silly. It'll obviously be Trump pulling some sovcit bullshit about how they can't hold donald::trump responsible for acts of his fictitious corporate person or whatever.
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Feldegast42 posted:The two SCOTUS seats have given conservatives and reactionaries veto power over basically whatever congress and the president wants to pass for a generation, so yeah, its a pretty drat successful presidency yeah, exactly. even if a blue wave takes everything and passes free healthcare they'll just strike it down again. trump has already won this country for the evangelicals for our entire lives, it doesn't matter if he resigns or dies or is eaten by lions
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Groovelord Neato posted:a lot of americans consider nordic model social democracy to be socialism. You would think the alt right world be on board, I heard they love Nordic models
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sincx posted:Assuming dems get presidency and senate in 2020: This is not constitutional, it says explicitly that there must be a Supreme Court with permanent lifetime appointments. Appointing additional justices (after legislation allowing it) is absolutely constitutional, though.
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corn in the bible posted:yeah, exactly. even if a blue wave takes everything and passes free healthcare they'll just strike it down again. trump has already won this country for the evangelicals for our entire lives, it doesn't matter if he resigns or dies or is eaten by lions Thomas can suddenly die at any moment, the court can also be packed Edit:. Also Gorsuch is showing himself to be a real weirdo
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:You would think the alt right world be on board, I heard they love Nordic models oh abc you are the living end.
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Its fun that this thread always has the usual assholes ready to remind us why the good thing that happened today actually isn't good and even if it was it wouldn't matter and even if it did it won't mean anything in the long term because we're doomed. Its a good, healthy place.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol that we have a literal unironic “we need an authoritarian strongman to replace our democracy with. But I’m sure it’ll be a leftist because that’s never gone wrong before” in this thread. Congratulations, if after all this you still believe the 20th century "communist" states were actually in any way other than superficially communist, then capitalism really has irreparably rotted your brain into moldy cheese.
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STAC Goat posted:So am I the only one who kind of wants to see Roger Stone run? maybe run on a floor of broken glass and rusty nails barefoot. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jan 25, 2019 |
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corn in the bible posted:do you like, not know what the constitution is or something haveblue posted:This is not constitutional, it says explicitly that there must be a Supreme Court with permanent lifetime appointments. Appointing additional justices (after legislation allowing it) is absolutely constitutional, though. Merge the circuit courts into the supreme court. All circuit judges become supreme court judges, that mostly hear formerly circuit court cases. Add 100 judges to the now expanded supreme/circuit court. Random panel of 9 judges to hear formerly supreme court cases.
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mango sentinel posted:Also Hillary Clinton was the democratically elected president. Donald Trump was selected to be president by the undemocratic Electoral College. This + Only the House is really based on direct representation of the populace and even then it's heavily gerrymandered in a lot of states and subject to all the problems unlimited dark money can cause. You can't use a barely functional bourgeois republic as evidence that democracy doesn't work and that "the population needs to be punished for making the wrong decision". It's nonsense, you're blaming the victim.
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STAC Goat posted:I just turned on the Five and they're crying about how its unfair for poor people to want rich people like them to be taxed more because they don't have skin in the game. Like they're literally sitting there saying "I worked hard to be rich". Also that THIS is the reason Trump was elected, not the Wall. Rich people are only lucky. Hard work does not contribute to their wealth, it is only luck. Luck is something you will NEVER hear a rich person even admitting exists. If luck exists, it delegitimizes their success, and conversely, legitimizes others’ poverty, because for luck to exist, an equal and opposite bad luck must also exist. And none of that factors into their divinity.
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