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It’s easy to be a German at peace if you live in Switzerland.
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Platystemon posted:It’s easy to be a German at peace if you live in Switzerland. Hey it's not their fault that no one wants to come to play with them.
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Jan 26, 2019 12:42
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Nenonen posted:Hey it's not their fault that no one wants to come to play with them. Who wants to storm a wall of mountains and Nazi gold?
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Jan 26, 2019 13:05
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It's uphill man!
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Jan 26, 2019 13:15
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Alchenar posted:I mean the battlegroup in North Afghanistan might be a bit upset to hear that. There is a difference between "Germany is not involved in any military operations anywhere" and "The average German can reasonably expect not to experience a war first hand in their lifetime". Everyone deployed to Afghanistan volunteered. I'd argue that the claim is correct.
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Jan 26, 2019 13:18
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ArchangeI posted:There is a difference between "Germany is not involved in any military operations anywhere" and "The average German can reasonably expect not to experience a war first hand in their lifetime". Everyone deployed to Afghanistan volunteered. 1525 to 1618? By this definition you'd need something bigger than eg the Schmalkaldic war to count. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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Jan 26, 2019 15:37
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That has got to be the most ridiculous name for a war I've ever heard.
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Jan 26, 2019 16:28
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zoux posted:That has got to be the most ridiculous name for a war I've ever heard. The War of Jenkins's Ear...
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Jan 26, 2019 16:33
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HEY GUNS posted:poland/lithuania is my favorite historical political thing and it's not even close Which part of Poland/Lithuania? I liked it most when it was a pagan duchy and kicked rear end, but ymmv I guess  (on that note, BBCs In Our Time has a neat panel on the Baltic Crusades, and you can hear it here and you should: It includes a pagan lord swearing an oath while covered in something that makes christians figure he's serious! One weird diplomatic trick: Teutons hate it etc. )
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Jan 26, 2019 16:44
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feedmegin posted:The War of Jenkins's Ear... According to Wikipedia there has been three separate conflicts named The Pig War.
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Jan 26, 2019 16:57
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SeanBeansShako posted:According to Wikipedia there has been three separate conflicts named The Pig War. We danes had the Cod Wars with someone, I suspect brits or icelanders. Also, the Football War is a favorite of mine, because of course someone had one, and of course it was in latin America (El Salvador and Honduras)
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Jan 26, 2019 16:59
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Tias posted:We danes had the Cod Wars with someone, I suspect brits or icelanders. Also featured air-to-air combat between Mustangs and Corsairs in the sixties.
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Jan 26, 2019 17:16
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Tias posted:We danes had the Cod Wars with someone, I suspect brits or icelanders. Those were between Britain and Iceland, iirc, and it was mighty military superpower Iceland who won them 
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Jan 26, 2019 17:54
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Oh, right!
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Tias posted:We danes had the Cod Wars with someone, I suspect brits or icelanders. France and Brazil had the Lobster War, which was over taxonomy as much as anything. And there was The War of the Bucket, part of the Guelphs and Ghibellines strife.
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Jan 26, 2019 18:23
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There was the Pig War, which started when somebody's pig got into somebody else's garden, and almost led to war between the US and Britain.
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Jan 26, 2019 18:35
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feedmegin posted:1525 to 1618? By this definition you'd need something bigger than eg the Schmalkaldic war to count. I wouldn't say that the average German at the time could reasonably expect not to be involved in a war, even if in the event they did not. Germany in 2019 is literally allied to every country at its borders except for one, which has not taken offensive military action since, I believe, the 1400s. The Germany of the 16th century still had a lot of internal and often external strife.
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So, I was reading "The Collapse of the German War Economy 1944-1945" by Mierzejewski, and in a summary of wartime circumstances he mentioned how German armies remained tactically superior to Allied right to the end. I was interested in what references he would use for that, and the notes pointed me to van Creveld's "Fighting Power" from 1980, which I remembered hearing a lot about, specifically often mentioned as a reference by wargame designers. I never read the book so I did a search, and seems this van Creveld is still alive and even has a blog! What's the first post that comes up? Martin van Creveld posted:Some of those who read my recent book, Pussycats, have asked me to say a little more about what could and should be done to restore the West’s waning fighting power. Given the differences between various Western countries, obviously there cannot be a single solution: still the following should apply, more or less, to most. Hey, that could be interesting!  quote:To start at the beginning, the all-pervasive system whereby many young people are doomed to remain crybabies and forcibly prevented from growing up should be terminated. Uh, hm? quote:Put an end to what one writer called “the war against boys,” under which boys keep being told how bad, how wicked, how oppressive, they and their male friends and relatives are and punished whenever they make a “gun” out of schnitzel and shout “pow-pow” or even look at a girl. Terminate the situation whereby boys over six, or eight, or ten, or fourteen, are taught mainly by women. Have more male teachers in elementary school. If necessary re-segregate the education system so as to allow boys to be boys and save them the humiliation of having to compete with girls. Ummm... quote:Fourth, the vexed question of PTSD. The idea that war is necessarily harmful to the soul and, unless properly treated by all kinds of experts, will tend to destroy it is peculiar to the modern West. Looking back into history before 1860 or so, there is little or no evidence to support it; nor does it seem to be, or have been, a major problem in non-Western forces such as Hezbollah, Daesh, and, four decades ago, the Viet Cong. Ergo the phenomenon, which in recent year has grown to the point where it is threatening to undermine what little of the West’s will to fight remains, is a cultural one. So stop the system whereby anyone returning from war is automatically suspect of carrying the problem and practically forced to suffer from it. Reward those who do not contract PTSD instead of those who do so. Instead of pitying veterans and treating them as damaged good, find ways to reward them and above all, celebrate them for their heroism and their sacrifice. OK! Probably not going to bother with your book, Mr. van Creveld. http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/tag/fighting-power/
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Oh wow. I’ve heard of him before but have read his Art of War, which didn’t really leave much impression although it was fairly brief. I know I’ve heard some of his bigger works recommended before. I did look to see what else he has written and this is certainly something:quote:After his death in the Berlin bunker, Adolf Hitler finds himself in Hell. To his surprise, he finds it to be a place of more tedium than torment, although he is depressed to learn that he will never see his beloved German Shepherd Blondi again because all dogs go to Heaven.
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ArchangeI posted:I wouldn't say that the average German at the time could reasonably expect not to be involved in a war, even if in the event they did not. Germany in 2019 is literally allied to every country at its borders This was also true in 1815, iirc. Something something Concert of Europe. Nobody can reasonably expect not to experience a war 60 years from now, imo. It's not reasonable to predict that far ahead. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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Jan 26, 2019 19:56
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FastestGunAlive posted:After his death in the Berlin bunker, Adolf Hitler finds himself in Hell. To his surprise, he finds it to be a place of more tedium than torment, although he is depressed to learn that he will never see his beloved German Shepherd Blondi again because all dogs go to Heaven.  I mean, we’ve gotta book club this now, right?
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Jan 26, 2019 20:45
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I've come across van Creveld before. He seems to have been a serious historian and then at some point veered off into, well, that. He has strong opinions about women in the military as well iirc.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:55
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aphid_licker posted:I've come across van Creveld before. He seems to have been a serious historian and then at some point veered off into, well, that. He has strong opinions about women in the military as well iirc.
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Jan 26, 2019 21:04
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:The idea that war is necessarily harmful to the soul and, unless properly treated by all kinds of experts, will tend to destroy it is peculiar to the modern West. Looking back into history before 1860 or so, there is little or no evidence to support it  there are literary accounts, doctors' accounts, and POSSIBLY first-person accounts of something like PTSD from the early modern period. Or at least the guy who got hammered and then started beating the friend who tried to take him home with a razor strop, for no reason at all, wasn't really "normal." (This one was interesting from a legal perspective because the friend didn't want to press charges--the regimental Schultheiss brought the charges himself, to force the perp to pay for his medical bills) feedmegin posted:1525 to 1618? By this definition you'd need something bigger than eg the Schmalkaldic war to count. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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Jan 26, 2019 21:18
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FMguru posted:His early books are really good. I think 9/11 broke him (or accelerated the old age brain spiders).
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Jan 26, 2019 21:19
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HEY GUNS posted:According to a friend of mine it was a bad divorce I'll still stand up for his Supplying War (1977), Command in War (1985), and Transformation of War (1991).
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Jan 26, 2019 21:29
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Hegel always with the juicy historian gossip
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aphid_licker posted:I've come across van Creveld before. He seems to have been a serious historian and then at some point veered off into, well, that. He has strong opinions about women in the military as well iirc. From the same post: don't blame anyone for not wanting to read it for themselves but at least his linked GIF really about sums up his argument:  quote:Third, women in the military. That many women do their job as well as any man no one questions. However, their widespread presence in the military gives rise to three major problems. First, even a cursory look at the way things are managed will show that women are privileged, causing widespread resentment among the male personnel (the more so because they are not allowed to talk about it). Second, it deprives that personnel from what is perhaps their most important reason for enlisting and fighting, which is to prove their masculinity to themselves and to others. Third, it opens the door to all kinds of claims about “sexual harassment,” to the point any male soldiers are now afraid of being accused or it (and sexual assault, and rape) than of the enemy. To solve these problems, 1. Cut down the number of women to, say, 10 percent of the total. 2. Put an end to coed basic training, which is a pure waste of (to see what such “training” looks like, watch http://i.imgur.com/t3CF25z.gif ) and a humiliation to the men who participate in it. 3. Remove women from all combat and direct combat support jobs, which also means capping the ranks to which they can rise. 4. Reconstitute the woman’s corps in such a way that only women will command woman and sexual harassment of inferiors by superiors brought to an end. FMguru posted:Ah, that would do it. What periods do they cover, and have they been superseded by more recent works?
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FMguru posted:Ah, that would do it. PoontifexMacksimus posted:What periods do they cover, and have they been superseded by more recent works? Bernhard Kroener, Les Routes Et Les Etapes David Parrott, Richelieu's Army Jürgen Pohl, "Die Profiantirung der Keyserlichen Armaden Ahnbelangendt" Lothar Hoebelt, Von Noerdlingen bis Janckau Geoffrey Parker, The Army of Flanders and the Spanish Road, ofc HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:From the same post: don't blame anyone for not wanting to read it for themselves but at least his linked GIF really about sums up his argument: Looks like a good throw to me, she almost got 3 kills Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKy82LOH9n0
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Valentine IX I'm going to bump the Valentine X/XI article a little bit down the queue since it covers a lot of the same ground that this one does, I hope no one minds. Queue: 7TP and Vickers Mk.E trials in the USSR, Modern Polish tank projects, SD-100 (Czech SU-100 clone), TACAM R-2, kpúv vz. 34, kpúv vz. 37, Valentine X and XI, kpúv vz. 38, IS-1 (IS-85), IS-2 (object 240), Production of the IS-2, IS-2 modernization projects, GMC M8, First Soviet assault rifles, Stahlhelm in WWI, Stahlhelm in WWII, SU-76 with big guns, Panther trials in the USSR, Western spherical tanks, S35 in German service, SU-152 combat debut, 57 mm gun M1, T-34 applique armour projects, Challenger I, military use of scale models, PzIV Ausf.F-G, Schmeisser's work in the USSR, Kalashnikov's debut works, Kalashnikov-Petrov self-loading carbine, Medium Tank M4A4, Hellcat, Heavy Tank T29, Hotchkiss H 35 and H 39, Experimental Polish tanks of the 1930s, Medium Tank M3 use in the USSR, HMC T82, HMC M37, GMC M41, Archer, T-29-5, Avenger I, FIAT 3000, FIAT L6-40, [M13/40, M14/41, M15/42], Carro Armato P40 and prospective Italian heavy tanks, Grosstraktor, Panzer IV/70 Available for request:  Object 237 (IS-1 prototype) SU-85 KV-85 Tank sleds T-80 (the light tank) Proposed Soviet heavy tank destroyers DS-39 tank machinegun MS-1 production SU-76M (SU-15M) production S-51 SU-76I T-26 with mine detection equipment IS-2 mod. 1944 Airborne tanks Soviet WWII pistol and rifle suppressors    Jagdpanzer IV Gebirgskanone M 15 Maus development in 1943-44 German anti-tank rifles Czech anti-tank rifles in German service Hotchkiss H 39/Pz.Kpfw.38H(f) in German service Flakpanzer 38(t) Flakpanzers on the PzIV chassis     Trials of the LT vz. 35 in the USSR Ensign Expendable fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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Jan 26, 2019 22:33
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:From the same post: don't blame anyone for not wanting to read it for themselves but at least his linked GIF really about sums up his argument: God I hate this guy already. Also aren't training accidents like that not something specific to women? I swear I've heard of plenty of bootcamp idiocy stories committed by guys as well.
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Medium Tank M4A4, Hellcat, Heavy Tank T29, Hotchkiss H 35 and H 39, Experimental Polish tanks of the 1930s, the rest of , Archer, T-29-5, Avenger I, , Grosstraktor, Panzer IV/70.
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Raenir Salazar posted:God I hate this guy already. Yeah i've seen tonnes of gifs of mostly male recruits hilariously loving up trying to throw grenades It's almost as if grenade throwing ranges are specifically designed due to this being a common occurrence
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Jan 26, 2019 22:44
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i think he's most uncomfortable with the idea of women being promoted over men; see that rank cap thing he said which is funny because he's israeli and may have been commanded by women during his mandatory military service in their coed army, so suckit
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HEY GUNS posted:i think he's most uncomfortable with the idea of women being promoted over men; see that rank cap thing he said Seems like he's still salty about it.
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wdarkk posted:Seems like he's still salty about it. We Need A Meritocracy By Prohibiting My Competition From Overtaking Me
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https://www.amazon.com/Equality-Impossible-Martin-van-Creveld-ebook/dp/B00UVLE20W https://smile.amazon.com/Privileged-Sex-Martin-van-Creveld-ebook/dp/B00EX5PJC2/ Also he's written a lot of books about Israel and the IDF, and I am not going there. Yeah, gently caress Creveld.
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Hmm, I wonder why the military power of most western nations is stagnant or declining? Could it be because they're all allied to varying degrees and there's a clear lack of any conventional military threat to them, making armies of the size they were in the past unnecessary? Nah that's dumb, it's obviously the thing that I just happen to blame for literally all other problems, those fuckin' feminists. 
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Yesterday In History With Leo Tolstoy https://twitter.com/JozNorris/status/1088886021620748293
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