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Vile Pilot posted:I don't think communism is going to automatically address climate change. You're avoiding my question. I asked how you think the current power system will respond? Because if you think billions of deaths and at least a century of civilization decline and war is an acceptable outcome then we might have a values difference that will inform this conversation.
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ewiley posted:Well, I think sometimes it is useful to 'sell' socialist concepts as capitalist ones. UHC would save businesses billions and billions of dollars of wasted duplicate claims and payments. UHC is literally more efficient and tax rates would reflect actual cost (e.g. a floating tax depending on spending). That’s all fine with me too.
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Koalas March posted:Bernie Sanders and Keith Ellison. i'm still rooting for bernie sanders/nina turner campaign (despite some foolish people thinking she's unqualified) she did an AMA on r/sandersforpresident a couple of days ago and people asked her about her being bernie's veep:  she seems like she'd be ok with that, and hopefully bernie has her on his shortlist
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https://twitter.com/fahrenthold/status/1089259406448099328?s=21 https://twitter.com/fahrenthold/status/1089262132833779712?s=21 https://twitter.com/ktumulty/status/1089262338908262400?s=21 skylined! fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:*cracks knuckles* but what if the boss, is actually a worker to another boss? wherein lies the exploitation of the exploited?
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LionArcher posted:I would argue that’s a cultural problem, not a capitalistic one. It’s why you need a four year degree to be a secretary. If trade schools in occupational schools were deemed viable by the society again, those jobs would be filled. I have a career I enjoy right now, but if it ever dried up, the first thing I look into doing would be a trade. The regulation would be that you don’t need four years of experience and a degree to be an assistant.Unions are important too. It's like talking to a Capitalist. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/01/how-the-government-shutdown-is-flushing-away-federal-cyber-talent/ Trabisnikof posted:You're avoiding my question. I asked how you think the current power system will respond? This too.
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Trabisnikof posted:You're avoiding my question. I asked how you think the current power system will respond? I don't know how the current power system will respond, but I don't think switching to communism is going to necessarily be any better with regards to the environment.
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Vile Pilot posted:I don't know how the current power system will respond, but I don't think switching to communism is going to necessarily be any better with regards to the environment. So you don't know if capitalism will cause the decline of human civilization for centuries due to the failure to respond to climate change, but you're absolutely certain there is no better option?
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skylined! posted:This would seem to be a great counter to the ‘build a wall to eliminate drugs’ contingent. A great deal of the comments to this begin with something along the lines of, “My husband was...” E: one of perdues responses is this: “ • In April 2010, FDA approved a reformulated version OxyContin, which Purdue developed with properties intended to deter abuse. Purdue worked for over a decade to develop the new formulation, and it was the first FDA-approved opioid with abuse deterrent properties; “ gently caress YOU i am harry fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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LionArcher posted:I know you’re just trying to be funny, or glib,but if I was to take that comment at face value, I find that thought process is cynical and not productive.Yes, you could be working for someone, or you could create a new job or business and work for yourself. That depends on your passion, and skill set. The Safetynet would allow people to have the freedom to explore what they want to do, and follow their passion. Or, go back to school or learn a new craft.If someone discovered that they’d rather spend their downtime playing video games, and being an office drone, they are free to. If someone realize they’d rather make $30,000 a year from the Safetynet while they build up some radical new business, they are also welcome to do that. Part of the problem here is that this only focuses on the income portion of the equation. UBI in some form is necessary, but UBI itself is not enough if market forces price basic needs out of the reach of the people depending on UBI. You need more than a safety net - you need necessities like healthcare, housing, food, etc. to be taken out of the free market entirely. That's why a lot of people are wary of "regulated capitalism" as a term, since it's implying that basic necessary goods are still going to be subject to the free market. Now there are things that can be subject to market forces without causing massive market failures that deprive people of the things they need to live, which is cool I guess. But anything that is necessary for someone to, you know, exist, shouldn't be subject to the free market, which definitionally is going to mean something beyond just "regulated capitalism". Then you get into externalities of various industries that could end civilization in its current form, and how the market deals with that (it doesn't), and, well...
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i am harry posted:Seriously y’all go get some movie tickets for VICE.
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Trabisnikof posted:So you don't know if capitalism will cause the decline of human civilization for centuries due to the failure to respond to climate change, but you're absolutely certain there is no better option? The better option would be expertly run communism that isn't going to create Muslim internment camps and social credit scores, but I doubt the world's ability to produce something like that.
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Eh, Christian Bale bugs me.
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Crow Jane posted:Eh, Christian Bale bugs me. The dude is like a chameleon. He's very odd but has real talent.
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Vile Pilot posted:The better option would be expertly run communism that isn't going to create Muslim internment camps and social credit scores, but I doubt the world's ability to produce something like that. Maybe the solution hasn't been invented yet.
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Condiv posted:i'm still rooting for bernie sanders/nina turner campaign (despite some foolish people thinking she's unqualified) That would be a great ticket. They'd give 'em hell.
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Crow Jane posted:Eh, Christian Bale bugs me. No man, he totally transforms into Dick Cheney so you forget it’s him. Trust me you all need to watch that movie if only to refresh your memories.
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Condiv posted:i'm still rooting for bernie sanders/nina turner campaign (despite some foolish people thinking she's unqualified) Ok I thought you said Bernie Sanders and Tina Turner for a second there and started imagining them presiding over a pig poo poo-powered thunderdome in the Capital Wastes.
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i am harry posted:No man, he totally transforms into Dick Cheney so you forget it’s him. Trust me you all need to watch that movie if only to refresh your memories. Let's see you be batman and Dick Cheney, and the machinist.
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Crow Jane posted:Eh, Christian Bale bugs me. He was in Newsies tho, that makes him a comrade right?
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kidkissinger posted:He was in Newsies tho, that makes him a comrade right? He's a gigantic weirdo, so pretty much yeah.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:alternately you can ask Your Boy Fancy about what the sensible, moderate, defensible line is on the hideous filth that call themselves "refugees" invading our shores to steal the virtue of our daughters, and the necessary steps that must be taken to purge them from our state You know what the best part of this is? In a year-plus of Ralph Northam, in which he’s done things that would (and should) get him pilloried on the regular, our mans here sticks to this point. A point, and I’m sure he’ll admit this as sarcastically as he can manage, he flat out admitted to exaggerating for the sake of argument. Sanctuary cities have not been banned in Virginia. But that will never, ever stop this disingenuous dipshit from pretending Ralph Northam is an Ed Gillespie ad that didn’t work, in service of an argument he admitted was bullshit once already, which is why any time I post about Virginia ITT, a Yeowch, My Balls post will appear within the hour. It’s a microcosm of the last twenty years of D&D as caricatures in a single post. I should have it framed. You’ve got brain problems dude. Your Boy Fancy fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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kidkissinger posted:He was in Newsies tho, that makes him a comrade right? He was by far the lamest part of Velvet Goldmine
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Hollismason posted:Does anyone have a link to what is actually funded? Specifically TANF and SNAP? Depending on your state Feb benefits were paid already in advance of this shitshow.
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skylined! posted:https://twitter.com/fahrenthold/status/1089259406448099328?s=21 This is a perfect distillation of Trump: cruel, hypocritical, and capped with a joke about his diet.
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Crow Jane posted:Eh, Christian Bale bugs me. Those were destroyed in the second movie.
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Vile Pilot posted:My main disagreement with communism or something similar is not necessarily a fundamental one. I don't trust people to implement it properly. If some people came along and made me think otherwise I might go along, but I don't think there is any good chance of that happening. I'm not saying you're a liar, but no one has implemented capitalism well, which is an inherently worse system, and yet here we are.
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skylined! posted:https://twitter.com/fahrenthold/status/1089259406448099328?s=21 LOL putins going to install some peeps there.
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 hey shitbirds we have a 2020 primary/election thread for talking about the 2020 primary/election, this is where we debate the ethics in back tats of nixon
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If anyone is curious what is top priority in the world of Fox News after the worst political defeat for Dear Leader in more than a year, it's that paying for free college like Bernie Sanders wants to do is "impossible", and "no country does it"(?). Also, most kids who go to college are wealthy anyway and can already afford it, and if you are poor maybe set your sights lower  Then another round of "you see, the people who attacked the Covington boys are the REAL bigots!" Also Trump totally has the ability to declare a national emergency and it's totally cool and legal to do so! So memory-holing of the defeat has already happened TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jan 26, 2019 |
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Party Plane Jones posted:
you mean the honey pot that got users banned?(did that get fixed or what)
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PhazonLink posted:you mean the honey pot that got users banned? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3879821
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Your Boy Fancy posted:You know what the best part of this is? In a year-plus of Ralph Northam, in which he’s done things that would (and should) get him pilloried on the regular, our mans here sticks to this point. A point, and I’m sure he’ll admit this as sarcastically as he can manage, he flat out admitted to exaggerating for the sake of argument. what has happened over those twenty years, YBF. what have you witnessed occur to the Democratic party, and the causes it champions. you know that old saying, if you cannot learn, then at least you can teach by example? it is extremely useful to have an object example of precisely how far the establishment democrat commitment to civil rights extends. YBF. all those examples out beyond the tennis court are kind of vague, free-floating narratives useful only as an occasional appeal to morality. but the person you know, the person whose words you remember... that person is real. if you did not exist, it would be necessary to invent the democratic operative who, confronted by a racist smear campaign, has the instinctive reaction "well look, if we don't concede the MS-13 threat to Virginia, we might look Soft On Immigration." because, after all. all those minorities are just abstract ideas. the Ed Gillespies of the world, those are real people. and we wouldn't want to offend them.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:So if he tries this poo poo in February, the Republicans are more likely to pass it with a veto proof majority, right? Like they aren't going to try to own two shutdowns? That may largely depend on where his polling is in a week.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:So if he tries this poo poo in February, the Republicans are more likely to pass it with a veto proof majority, right? Like they aren't going to try to own two shutdowns? great question! i look forward to learning the answer!
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:what has happened over those twenty years, YBF. what have you witnessed occur to the Democratic party, and the causes it champions. That’s a lot of words to say you’re full of poo poo.
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