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Ghost Leviathan posted:is The Dark Id still around? Busy working on Shadow Hearts at the moment.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:is The Dark Id still around? Has an active LP right now. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3860785
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Think it should be a video LP just so you don't have a contrarian walk in without having seen it going in real time, listening to the sound track, having to sit through the level ups and slow combat and ponderous lovely text boxes, and go "this doesn't seem SO BAD????"
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Jan 25, 2019 20:40
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Hbomberguy 100% livestream.
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i didnt know the dark id still was on the forums thats awesome i remember them doing the best screenshot lps
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corn in the bible posted:What the gently caress does this question mean lol Pretty much. Since it's the rejection of modernism you can say something is postmodern and then people will convince themselves its actually good trying to analyze it.
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Flannelette posted:. That still doesn't make sense. Post-modernism concretely means things, things which YIIK goes out of its way to repudiate in its story to the point of having the lead character tell you post modernism is dumb.
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Jan 26, 2019 05:54
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A shitload of what normally falls under 'postmodernism' can be traced way back, in some cases back to ancient Greek theatre.
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Also postmodernism means a different thing in each medium.
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Jan 26, 2019 09:44
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And a different thing to each person. People love to call anything post modern. Especially if they think modern only means contemporary
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Jan 26, 2019 15:35
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Barudak posted:That still doesn't make sense. Post-modernism concretely means things, things which YIIK goes out of its way to repudiate in its story to the point of having the lead character tell you post modernism is dumb. Gaming's first Post-postmodern protagonist? It means concrete things but what those are depend on the viewer, at least from my limited knowledge of it (Modernism: there's a "right" way to do everything and things like the scientific method will help find it, Postmodernism: doing that doesn't work always and it's all relative to the viewer) is that roughly accurate?
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The phrase "postmodern" has kind of been diluted by pop culture to mainly just mean "meta". Like at one point it was used to describe a specific artistic movement that grew out of WW2 and was basically about tearing down conventional structure to reflect the nihilism of a world that had allowed the holocaust to happen. A big aspect of that was deconstruction, which is what most people think of when they heard the term now. But deconstruction was just one aspect of postmodernism, and it wasn't invented by post-modernists (Don Quixote is a deconstruction and it predates postmodernism by 300 years). Basically what people are thinking of when they use the phrase "postmodern" now is that sort of "I know that you know" style of writing where you point out all the cliches you're using so that it becomes a "commentary" on them even though you're playing them completely straight,
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Jan 27, 2019 05:25
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I miss when this thread didn't actually talk about smart things. gently caress yiik.
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Flannelette posted:Gaming's first Post-postmodern protagonist? no. postmodernism has specific meanings but people are dumb and don't use it properly
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Jan 27, 2019 05:34
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This thread needs to get post post-modernism!
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Deadguy2322 posted:This thread needs to get post post-modernism! that's called remodernism
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Isn't New Sincerity the thing among the insufferable chattering classes and the bored rich young people who follow them?
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If you want to waste more of your life on Yiik, Ruggington has basically recorded it all. https://www.youtube.com/user/Ruggington/videos quote:HolyAarom
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Synthbuttrange posted:If you want to waste more of your life on Yiik, Ruggington has basically recorded it all. Ruggington please take care of yourself, you matter
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I thought postmodernism was "anything that happened after the nuclear bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki," is that wrong? I've played plenty of awful rpgs and man, while YIIK is most definitely not the worst I've seen, it certainly sounds like it's down there with the worst.
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FirstAidKite posted:I thought postmodernism was "anything that happened after the nuclear bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki," is that wrong? My favorite thing about postmodernism is that it's over half a century old at this point. The incongruity of the name and the reality of how long ago it was coined is so great.
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fwiw as others have said upthread the definition of postmodernism varies intensely by academic field, and few of us will have the qualifications to speak to all of these definitions. At the same time, these definitions are the best way to grasp postmodernism conceptually, because unlike lay intuitions of the term they're grounded in historical movements and texts, and the different field-specific definitions are mostly internally coherent. My two cents on architectural pomo is that, like 90% of architecture, it sucks because it tends to prioritize aesthetic over function in a way that doesn't get communicated in photos. Modernist architecture was remarkably dysfunctional a lot of the time, but "postmodern" architecture is probably the fount of some of the most wasteful, pointless, harmful edifices we've got. There's good work done in any of these fields, but that work isn't very closely linked to the school of architecture. I could do a whole derailing effortpost about architectural economics and how screwed up that field is, but it's not really on topic enough. I don't think YIIK represents any clear, specific academic theory of postmodernism. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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FoolyCharged posted:My favorite thing about postmodernism is that it's over half a century old at this point. The incongruity of the name and the reality of how long ago it was coined is so great. I mean, take that up with the root problem. Postmodernism is called that because it came after and in response to the Modernism movement. The eternal modern of the early 1900s. But yeah it's probably only a post modern game in the sense that it's "sarcastic" and not some sort of well founded rejection of the concept of objective or universal truth.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Isn't New Sincerity the thing among the insufferable chattering classes and the bored rich young people who follow them? The second ending of YIIK is basically all about New Sincerity and why its right, yes. TGLT posted:I mean, take that up with the root problem. Postmodernism is called that because it came after and in response to the Modernism movement. The eternal modern of the early 1900s. The game both in character opinion and its cosmology has an objective truth; the game is explicitly not postmodern and the title is intended to mislead
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Does new sincerity have any actual theoretic or academic basis, or is it purely thinkpiece material?
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Discendo Vox posted:Does new sincerity have any actual theoretic or academic basis, or is it purely thinkpiece material? What does your heart tell you?
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Deadguy2322 posted:What does your heart tell you? It started as thinkpiece material, but some especially myopic crit theorist tried to redefine it in terms that would support their cause, leading it to have a horrific half-life in the academy when it gets co-opted by the right wing.
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I feel like "New Sincerity" is just a thing that people talk about when they've gone so up their own rear end that the smell has started to bother them, but they're too far in to turn around so their only way out is to just keep pushing forward until they come back out the mouth.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I feel like "New Sincerity" is just a thing that people talk about when they've gone so up their own rear end that the smell has started to bother them, but they're too far in to turn around so their only way out is to just keep pushing forward until they come back out the mouth. Pretty much!
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Good talk everyone now lets dissect how Undertale is the first notable example of Metamodernism
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I liked it when Earthbound didn't declare it was a philosophical game on its face and let unsuspecting kids just enjoy it as a goofy, quirky game, but under the hood it was written by a modern day philosopher and had a very upbeat message after a very dark journey. I don't like it when a supposed spiritual Earthbound successor calls itself philosophical in the subtitle. Talk about missing the point. (I'm referring to YIIK here, not Undertale, if that's not clear.) Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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I vaguely remember it being called 'The RPG where nobody has to die' but I might be thinking of something else. A big part of Undertale's appeal is that it's best approached knowing absolutely nothing about it.
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"The Friendly RPG Where Nobody Has To Die," but only in its Steam Store trailer.
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That was really more of a tagline than a subtitle.
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On the other hand, holy poo poo did Lisa: The Painful RPG live up to its name AND provide excellent satire of most modern martial arts dojos and Wrestling!
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Yeah I have no problem with subtitles in general, it's just a bit foreboding when any property really wants to tell you how, like, totally deep it is in the title.Really Pants posted:"The Friendly RPG Where Nobody Has To Die," but only in its Steam Store trailer. I think that was the original Kickstarter concept, but as time went on Toby decided to just let the game speak for itself, especially as the theme of the game really became about player choice, so giving it that subtitle would kind of lock players into thinking they should be going the pacifist route or else they're doing it wrong. Which is technically true, but the point of the game is to teach you that by letting you make the "wrong" choice. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jan 28, 2019 |
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Spec Ops: Just loving Turn Back.
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