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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I was planning on just stunning one of the closest guards and taking the hit from the other if need be. If I take the top right starting tile and the other one gets into my melee range, I can just stun him next turn and circle left. That should slow them down enough for us to deal with the ranged attackers before they catch up. I'm thinking I'll use the invisibility cloak in a couple turns to jump at the ranged enemies, because getting two free turns on them probably gets the most bang for the buck. Whatever's behind the doors will have a chokepoint to contend with. I mean, it's losing 1 loot token per guy spawned on top of losing any treasure or loot tiles in other rooms. Since spawned enemies don't drop a loot token.
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# ? Jun 1, 2024 05:57 |
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Road event option A
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# ? Jan 26, 2019 18:48 |
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I recommend waiting to see the results of the road event and your battle goals are before picking the cards for your hand and planning a first turn strat. Those 2 things may have a huge effect on your decisions. Having an overall game plan is great though and I'm enjoying the chat on that
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# ? Jan 26, 2019 19:50 |
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I think this is the mission where I realized that the party is not, in fact, The Good Guys.
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# ? Jan 26, 2019 20:08 |
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Road Event: Option A. It seems like a Bioware "save a puppy" / "kick a puppy" choice, and The Torch Thieves aren't that kind of jerks. Mostly. For this scenario, my group went with hustling to the far side of the room to take on the ranged Inox while leaving the slow guards behind, but we were pretty squishy and also not very good at Gloomhaven. I (Bullwinkle T. Brute) will start in one of the two forward-most hexes, I've said C9 unless it's already taken in which case E9.
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# ? Jan 26, 2019 20:16 |
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Corbeau posted:I think this is the mission where I realized that the party is not, in fact, The Good Guys. Shades of grey
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# ? Jan 26, 2019 20:33 |
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Ripley posted:I (Bullwinkle T. Brute) will start in one of the two forward-most hexes, I've said C9 unless it's already taken in which case E9. My opening salvo requires me to be in range 2 of a guard, and since we're feinting left I'll take E9.
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# ? Jan 26, 2019 20:44 |
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Elephant Ambush posted:I recommend waiting to see the results of the road event and your battle goals are before picking the cards for your hand and planning a first turn strat. Those 2 things may have a huge effect on your decisions. You didn't receive a PM setting the deadline for the end of today. (We have already chosen our battle goals.) I'm guessing we'll be given a chance to modify our plans if the road event matters.
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# ? Jan 26, 2019 20:54 |
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Narsham posted:You didn't receive a PM setting the deadline for the end of today. (We have already chosen our battle goals.) You have 12 hours! Nah no big deal. IMHO this scenario is really easy.
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# ? Jan 26, 2019 21:53 |
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Dude, we came super close to losing it. My Cragheart was the last one standing.
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# ? Jan 26, 2019 23:01 |
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dwarf74 posted:Dude, we came super close to losing it. My Cragheart was the last one standing. My only play was in casual mode with three characters who were pretty high level. It'll be interesting to compare that experience to this one.
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 03:17 |
Inox Encampment Round 1A But first, armed with the magical power of FLASHBACKS, let's have a look at what's happened while on the Road... Road Event 26, resolution posted:
ROUND REVEAL posted:
All the decks the players have chosen are available as a (mobile friendly) spreadsheet in separate tabs. The cards that have been selected for the current round are marked in yellow. Discarded cards will be marked in light red, while lost cards will be marked in deep red. Cards in the active slot will be marked in green. Available items are also shown there. Master Splinter (Hand10, Discarded0, Active0, Lost0) is acting at initiative 8 with Perverse Edge and The Mind's Weakness. 08. Master Splinter the Vermling Mindthief (Zulily Zoetrope) posted:
10. Bullwinkle the Inox Brute (Ripley) posted:
87. Rocky the Savvas Cragheart (Narsham) posted:
DEADLINE FOR EVERYTHING IS: TONIGHT, 3AM EST (As always, please let me know if you need an extension!) That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jan 27, 2019 |
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 11:35 |
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Well then. I can stun guard 3 before she can pull up the shield/retaliate, which leaves her open for risk-free melee attacks. That ought to be enough to take her out of comission and we can circle up the right flank instead of the left, since it’ll have one guard fewer.
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 12:23 |
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Makes sense. If I can have F8 to stay out of range of the archers, I can help chip down guard 3.
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 16:09 |
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Ripley posted:Makes sense. If I can have F8 to stay out of range of the archers, I can help chip down guard 3. All yours. He'll probably end up with somewhere in the 2-5 health range depending upon modifier pulls. Given that we're taking a lot less incoming fire than expected, I am probably going to drop the rock on the same guard; 1 point to the Brute seems like a reasonable price to pay for a chance of killing him outright. My alternative is to half-kill guard 2. Removing one guard is better than hurting two guards. Next turn: I anticipate running up to E6, slowly, so guards 4 & 6 will be drawn towards me before I move. If we can kill guard 2 next turn, and you two can run into the north end of the chamber, I can drop an obstacle in F5 and force guards 4 & 6 to go the long way around to get to us. It'll be a little dicey with the spawning guards, unless somebody wants to slip around to open that door, but we're going to be attacked by the archers by turn 3 for sure in any event.
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Inox Guards are females! (Inox women are stronger and bulkier than males. In a reverse of the fantasy trope, the Archers and Support Inox are male - you can check the standees/tokens). Inox biology aside, I've found something interesting while reading the latest FAQs: quote:Q: How do you determine initiative for a monster that is summoned by another monster if the summon doesn't have a drawn ability card?
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 18:30 |
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That Italian Guy posted:Inox Guards are females! (Inox women are stronger and bulkier than males. In a reverse of the fantasy trope, the Archers and Support Inox are male - you can check the standees/tokens). It would also matter if the PCs had any summoned allies, since those use monster AI.
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 18:39 |
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I like how close to being super blunt that answer is. "How do I determine initiative without a drawn card???" "You draw a card, idiot."
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 18:40 |
Reik posted:It would also matter if the PCs had any summoned allies, since those use monster AI. Do player summons have ability card decks ?_? All the ones I've seen so far just act at the same initiative value their Summoner has, just before they go. Do not answer if it's a spoiler on an advanced class that I have not seen yet though.
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 18:49 |
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That Italian Guy posted:Do player summons have ability card decks ?_? All the ones I've seen so far just act at the same initiative value their Summoner has, just before they go. Yeah, you can think of character summons as having slightly less initiative than the player. So, if the player is acting on 16, the summons act on 15.9, which makes them the focus for monsters.
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 18:51 |
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That Italian Guy posted:Do player summons have ability card decks ?_? All the ones I've seen so far just act at the same initiative value their Summoner has, just before they go. They meant that player summons act according to pure AI rules, meaning that they target the closest creature and use initiative values to split ties. If a newly-summoned enemy was tied for closest to the player summon with another enemy, it would need to know the initiative values of both in order to decide what its focus was.
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 18:52 |
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That Italian Guy posted:Do player summons have ability card decks ?_? No.
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# ? Jan 27, 2019 19:28 |
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Oh whoops. My internet went down earlier while I was working on a response, and I forgot to finish the post. Anyway! Since the Mindthief and Brute are acting before the guards, they can attack them before they put up the Shield/Retaliate buff. This also means they can attack without fear of getting counter-attacked, as long as they don't move up too far. Mindthief should use Perverse Edge to move to C8 and attack the guard with TMW for an Attack 3. The Brute would like to cleave two guards, but this will result in him getting immobilized by an archer. This would leave him open to taking a bunch of attacks next round. Instead he should move to A8 or B8 and attack one guard for Attack 3. Cragheart can stay in place and attack guard #3 for 4 with Massive Boulder. That guard will have Shield 1, but the adjacent guard will still take 1 damage (the splash effect from Massive Boulder is unaffected by shields).
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# ? Jan 28, 2019 03:22 |
Inox Encampment Round 1BBeginning of Round actions posted:Inox Guard spawns on hex D1! NOTE: Inox Guards only have 6 standees available in the box. 8. Master Splinter the Vermling Mindthief (Zulily Zoetrope) posted:- Master Splinter uses The Mind's Weakness (top)! Persistent Bonus active: On your melee attacks add +2ATK. Gains 1XP. 10. Bullwinkle the Inox Brute (Ripley) posted:- Bullwinkle uses Leaping Cleave (bot)! Jumps 3 to F8 15. Inox Guard 2, 3, 4, 5(s), 6 posted:- Inox Guard 2 focuses Master Splinter! Gains SHIELD1 and RETALIATE2! 29. Inox Archer 2, 6 posted:- Inox Archer 2 focuses Master Splinter! Moves 2 to B3 EDIT: as per Reik's note, the correct Focus for the Archers is Bullwinkle! This changes the movement for Archer 2 to E3. The map at the end of the update has the correct positioning. 87. Rocky the Savvas Cragheart (Narsham) posted:- Rocky uses Heaving Swing (bot)! Round bonus active: Add +1ATK to all your ranged attacks this round. 89. Inox Shaman 4(E) posted:- Inox Shaman 4(E) focuses Bullwinkle! Moves 1 to D3. 1BLESS card added to the monster's deck! (on a less...colonialist note, the Shaman could have moved to either D3 or E3, so if the active players want me to, his position can be changed to the other hex in between updates). END OF ROUND ACTIONS posted:- Scenario Objective: 1/15 NOTE: I have corrected Archer 2 position as per above edit. Active players please discuss your options itt and provide your STEP A Orders via PM/email with this format: - Initiative: xx - Card 1: name - Card 2: name You can consult the (mobile friendly) spreadsheet to see which cards are available and decide your next moves. DEADLINE FOR EVERYTHING IS 3AM EST (As always, please let me know if you need an extension!) That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jan 28, 2019 |
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# ? Jan 28, 2019 11:17 |
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The Shaman should be on D3 in the last screen, right? I'm a bit torn. I could zip past everyone and hit the shaman, popping my invisibility cloak and using a slow initiative next turn to keep anyone from targeting me for two rounds, but I could also consume the Ice to clobber Guard 2 with a stun and a hefty hit. F7 is outside the standard range of the other guards, while still being close enough to jump into the fray on the following turn. I think the latter is the optimal move, but that also means claiming the coin space and possibly getting in someone's way. What are you guys intending? Also, just to keep track, we're at 1/15 Inox killed, and it doesn't look like we're gonna go for hitting the standee cap. Any thoughts on when we're gonna open the door?
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# ? Jan 28, 2019 11:59 |
Zulily Zoetrope posted:The Shaman should be on D3 in the last screen, right? Copy/pasted the wrong imgur link from above in the update PS: let me know if you would prefer the Shaman to move to E3 instead, since they are both valid hexes.
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# ? Jan 28, 2019 12:35 |
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Shouldnt the archers focus Bullwinkle? F4 seems like the closest hex to make a valid attack from.
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# ? Jan 28, 2019 14:17 |
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Also I'm fairly certain that the Inox Guard spawns at the end of each round, not the beginning. Splinter use the ice!
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# ? Jan 28, 2019 14:30 |
^^^^^ The Inox Guard spawns at the end of each other Round for 2 player, or at the beginning of each Round for 3-4 players!Reik posted:Shouldnt the archers focus Bullwinkle? F4 seems like the closest hex to make a valid attack from. You are correct. Not sure why I was counting their focus as if they were a melee monster This is the correct map at the end of the Round: That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jan 28, 2019 |
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I'm a bit torn. I could zip past everyone and hit the shaman, popping my invisibility cloak and using a slow initiative next turn to keep anyone from targeting me for two rounds, but I could also consume the Ice to clobber Guard 2 with a stun and a hefty hit. F7 is outside the standard range of the other guards, while still being close enough to jump into the fray on the following turn. I think the latter is the optimal move, but that also means claiming the coin space and possibly getting in someone's way. What are you guys intending? Not sure. If we wanted to go ham, I could get to the north side of the room as well and smack an archer or two, but that probably means leaving Rocky behind and then taking too many hits. The archers are likely to be able to target us this round either way, though, I guess.
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# ? Jan 28, 2019 18:12 |
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Ripley posted:Not sure. If we wanted to go ham, I could get to the north side of the room as well and smack an archer or two, but that probably means leaving Rocky behind and then taking too many hits. The archers are likely to be able to target us this round either way, though, I guess. I'm inclined to suggest that you both finish guard 2 this turn. I'll be moving fairly quickly, though I may not beat the Shaman and Archers, and I'll run upward and end up in E6 while softening up the ranged attackers. I will also draw their fire this turn. For obvious reasons, it'd be great if you two could then close with the archers the following turn (so they don't pincushion me). Depending on how far the guards move, I'll either support you against the shooters or I'll immobilize a guard and set up to drop a rock in F5 and force them to go the long way around. We're going to have a lot of guards on us quick if door 1 doesn't get opened. With the spawns happening at the start of the round, they'll move out of the way, so if the Mindthief can slip past and get that door open while invisible, that might work out OK. If we don't have to move very far and we don't have many rounds of play, we can afford to lose some cards to get the job done (we mainly being the Brute and I).
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# ? Jan 28, 2019 20:31 |
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Narsham posted:I'm inclined to suggest that you both finish guard 2 this turn. [...] Sounds sensible. No problem with Splinter taking the coin, either.
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# ? Jan 28, 2019 22:57 |
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Cool beans!
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# ? Jan 29, 2019 00:24 |
Inox Encampment Round 2APending actions from last Round posted:The map has been fixed to show the correct positioning for Archer n.2! ROUND REVEAL posted:
All the decks the players have chosen are available as a (mobile friendly) spreadsheet in separate tabs. The cards that have been selected for the current round are marked in yellow. Discarded cards will be marked in light red, while lost cards will be marked in deep red. Cards in the active slot will be marked in green. Available items are also shown there." Master Splinter (Hand8, Discarded1, Active1, Lost0) is acting at initiative 29 with Frigid Apparition and Withering Claw. Master Splinter and Rocky are both acting at initiative 29, but our rat friend is going first since her second card has a lower initiative number than Rocky's one. If also that was a tie, we would have let the players decide. Ties between players and monsters are always decided in favor of the player; ties between monsters are decided BY the players. 29. Master Splinter the Vermling Mindthief (Zulily Zoetrope) posted:
29. Rocky the Savvas Cragheart (Narsham) posted:
35. Bullwinkle the Inox Brute (Ripley) posted:
DEADLINE FOR EVERYTHING IS: TONIGHT, 3AM EST (As always, please let me know if you need an extension!)
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# ? Jan 29, 2019 11:16 |
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Yeah, I think I'm just gonna do as planned and clobber that one guard. Puts me in range of one archer, and that's as close as I'd prefer to get.
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# ? Jan 29, 2019 13:09 |
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If I'm not mistaken, Bullwinkle will be the focus of both archers by the end of his turn, so as long as you're not within reach of the 2 left guards you should be safe.
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# ? Jan 29, 2019 16:38 |
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Looks like I'd have been better off with the slower initiative! If I follow my original plan I'll get hit by both archers and one guard, and they could all win initiative on me again in the following turn (1 in 4 chance for the archers, who might also trap F4 and F3, plus possibly the shaman). Rocky can tank, but it'd be painful. Two other options: 1. If I tornado guards 4 & 6 and play keep-away and Bullwinkle goes to G7, only one archer can shoot us and guards 4&6 can't reach us until the following turn. Downside is the Mindthief could easily lose 3 or 4 hp from the single arrow. 2. I could also tornado 4&6 and engage them outside the archer's range. I can almost certainly kill both the following turn, or I could get into the C4/D4 area and prevent the archers from escaping. I like this a little better. In fact, if I move 0, only one guard can engage me and they'll be out of position for next turn. The main problem there is that it leaves the others exposed to archer fire next turn. There's also the chance of a miss or -2 mod leaving guard 2 alive. I am inclined to go with the original plan and demonstrate what risky play looks like. Depending on how bad the damage ends up being, I could either disarm the ranged attackers the following turn or go for maximized damage, but I'd be relying on the Brute to draw fire and the Mindthief to get door 1 open quickly. Option 2 means minimizing incoming damage and keeps guards 4&6 away from the rest of the group.
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# ? Jan 29, 2019 17:26 |
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Yeah, this is a tough round. If I can help by taking a hit for one of you, let me know, but I guess the archers will always prefer to focus Rocky because of his lower initiative, unless I use boots to get right up close.
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# ? Jan 29, 2019 18:29 |
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Yeah, I can take the one hit and be fine; there's a fair amount of invisible turns to come.
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# ? Jan 29, 2019 21:46 |
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# ? Jun 1, 2024 05:57 |
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OK, I'll go with the safer path, then, and I'll still be in good position to be on the other side of those totems next turn. Not planning on changing my current position; Brute to G7 would avoid a guard hit that's not otherwise necessary. EDIT: I will be going on a fairly high init number next turn but will be able to get into the C4/D3 area via a jump. Alternately, I can repeat my initial plan for this turn and end up in E6, possibly muddling five enemies as early in the round as I'm going this turn. Narsham fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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