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OhDearGodNo posted:So, let me get this straight. If a kid is truant from school (over 10% unexcused absences), and after multiple notices, then after the school has had a meeting with the parents and addressing any concerns and doing what's possible to help the kids attend school, then after the referral to the DA, who at that point has yet another meeting with the parents and looks for ways to assist, and after that it goes to court, where either/or is the maximum, and no minimum as a misdemeanor? How about we don't let schools use cops as a means to punish poor homeless single mothers and instead use social workers and government funding to provide them housing and a living wage. OhDearGodNo posted:The Anecdote was due to Heck Yes! Loam! implying that people have no idea what it's like to be a poor single parent. What the gently caress?
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I was listening to a live stream about the Houston shooting and one of the reporters unironically said "these are some bad hombres." I hate myself and everyone in this world.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/indivisibleHOU/status/1089720179142156288 Once GOP voters got a taste of the full bodied antisemitism and bigotry the dogwhistle poo poo is just not going to cut it anymore.
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FilthyImp posted:Hey thread, I'd like to thank everybody hashing out Harris' legislation today, because it really caused me to rethink the overreach of that dumb thing.  Other thing to consider is that there's a real chance that those kids just needed a break. School is stressful if you're a sucessful kid from a well-off family who has all the cool contemporary poo poo. If you're a homeless kid in whatever hand-me-downs your family can afford holy gently caress is school going to be a hellish experience and while everyone should be in school, there are days where people just aren't up to dealing with a bunch of bullying for 6 hours and I can't really fault them for it.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Are you that dense to still think that as soon as a kid is truant the parent goes to jail? Are you that dense to still think that bringing charges against a single homeless mother isn't loving sick? Becasse what I am saying actually happened, and what you are saying is just "Nu uh it is actually a good thing"
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Herstory Begins Now posted:
Pop culture example: the character "Dukie" from The Wire season 4.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Are you that dense to still think that bringing charges against a single homeless mother isn't loving sick? Becasse what I am saying actually happened, and what you are saying is just "Nu uh it is actually a good thing" They didn't bring charges against her.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Are you that dense to still think that bringing charges against a single homeless mother isn't loving sick? Becasse what I am saying actually happened, and what you are saying is just "Nu uh it is actually a good thing" I don't think it did? (Charges filed I mean). Scary looking letters, yes, but not actual charges.
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OhDearGodNo posted:They didn't bring charges against her. You can't drop charges if you didn't bring charges genius
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Unoriginal Name posted:are you really searching for the single opinion of hundreds of people, you dumb gently caress Yeah I know right. At a time when the political news starts to turn to 2020 election candidacy, who would ever ask people in a discussion thread about US Politics if they have a preferred candidate for the nomination of the party they'll likely end up voting for and if they'd like to volunteer that name and some reasons why they would like to be able to vote for and support them, instead of just hearing only about the ones that suck and why you should think they suck? What an idiot! Shimrra Jamaane posted:I have the sneaking suspicion that not everyone in this thread is arguing in good faith... hosed up if true
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Herstory Begins Now posted:You can't drop charges if you didn't bring charges genius
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Once GOP voters got a taste of the full bodied antisemitism and bigotry the dogwhistle poo poo is just not going to cut it anymore. Yeah, the American Nazi party that crapped out back in the 30’s is still alive and well, apparently. Except they’re weirdly called “republicans”.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:You can't drop charges if you didn't bring charges genius Should have said 'dropped the case.' I went back and watched the video again. All that was said was, "scary letter sent" "sent DAs over with mean face to interview" "found out she was homeless, so we got her help" Super evil.
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Kale posted:Who is the average person in this threads ideal candidate for the dem ticket, I'm legitimately curious? For all the chatter after the recent flurry of candidacy announcements I don't think that particular topic has really been discussed much is what I'm trying to point out. Like I feel like a this person sucks and shouldn't be nominated argument comes across far stronger and convincingly if you have an alternative to set them next to to illustrate precisely why. It depends on the candidate. Everyone in this thread and in real life have their opinions. Some people might like Donald Trump. Some people might like someone who giggles on stage about threatening kids and their parents with prison over school absences. Others may like old men who love banks and mock younger people. Others may like a woman who lost to a game show host. If you're me, there's really are no candidates that are any thing close to a fraction of my political ideals.
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OhDearGodNo posted:They didn't bring charges against her.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Should never had been a case in the first place fixed that for you.
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Kale posted:I understand. Who would you prefer to see nominated instead by the DNC? Who is the average person in this threads ideal candidate for the dem ticket, I'm legitimately curious? For all the chatter after the recent flurry of candidacy announcements I don't think that particular topic has really been discussed much is what I'm trying to point out. Like I feel like a this person sucks and shouldn't be nominated argument comes across far stronger and convincingly if you have an alternative to set them next to to illustrate precisely why. It seems to me that most people here favor Bernie, although they see him as a compromise candidate, as opposed to the ideal.
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Found an article from 2009 talking about the Truancy program when Harris was San Francisco DA https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/San-Francisco-DA-Pushes-Parent-Punishment-61534042.html Here's a quote giving some statistics about the program quote:Harris’s office claims to have had contact with 1,500 students and families through truancy mediations and has brought 20 parents before the court on truancy-related cases. The majority of the charged parents chose to work with the court to get their children back in school, and most of these children have returned to attending school on a regular basis. I agree with some of the criticisms laid out here about the program. Though it does sound like there were very few actual prosecutions and most of the time they were able to resolve the issue with the parents. Of course this was when she was DA which is what the video is about. Need to dig more into the state-wide version of the program
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I think we all mostly agree that there should be more services to help people combat poverty, homelessness, hunger, and other principal problems that contribute to kids missing school. Still, some people are service resistant. It's one thing when you're talking about homeless people who aren't willing or able to engage with the infrastructure to help them but it's a whole other when we are talking about parents who are responsible for the welfare of children. Am I right in assuming the thread's consensus is that there should be no punishment for truancy of any kind despite the well documented negative outcomes for kids who are perpetually absent?
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Kale posted:I understand. Who would you prefer to see nominated instead by the DNC? Who is the average person in this threads ideal candidate for the dem ticket, I'm legitimately curious? For all the chatter after the recent flurry of candidacy announcements I don't think that particular topic has really been discussed much is what I'm trying to point out. Like I feel like a this person sucks and shouldn't be nominated argument comes across far stronger and convincingly if you have an alternative to set them next to to illustrate precisely why. (I know basically nothing about Castro, Gillibrand, Klobuchar or Brown.)
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I don't think we have to worry about Schultz spoiling this election, folks.
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Kale posted:So if the 2020 election ends up between Trump and Harris.....just stay home? Is that the proposal here? I'm not entirely following other than every candidate is bad in some way to varying degrees so why bother with any of this beyond that.....or something. Like there's a whole lot of stating why x person or y person absolutely sucks dicks because of this or that policy and why you should think they suck but not a whole lot of what America ought to do about it, what the alternatives are, and what will satisfy the image of the ideal candidate worth supporting and voting for? Is this what the 2016 primary chat (wasn't there for that) was like and why some posters want to see it kept to a bare minimum because if so I kind of understand? It is not about ideal candidates it is about the best candidate who can get in. Kamala ain't it. She certainly has a chance of beating Trump but that bar isn't high enough and for as much of a sundowning omnishambles Trump has been, nobody is letting their guard down after '16. My question is what is the alternative? Ignoring those vids of her speech and moving on without really examining it? Saying it's regrettable as preamble to explaining how you'll rationalize it? On the pragmatic side, if you don't vet and air problems about your potential candidate then your opponent will gladly do it for you, and add their own spin to start that narrative with. You figured why drag a winner through the mud, get locked in with your party candidate, but then when the election clock is ticking you'll have to account for their past anyway when the other side is digging up the poo poo you preferred to step over. I really don't like to resort to both sides-isms but I think it's arguable that in 2016 both republicans and democrats ended up doing this. If one side does it and the other doesn't, that usually resolves in a predictable way. But when it's both candidates it's sort of a "what if gravity stopped working" sort of scenario. And on the principled side, it's pretty lovely to acknowledge someone is a garbage person and yet give them a pass because they will replace an even bigger garbage person. Kamala Harris is objectively better than Trump. Congrats, Kamala. But maybe let's not automatically award her with the whitehouse for such a petty achievement. These 4 years of Trump are loving awful but we will be monsters too if during the next 4 years we repeatedly cringe and go, "Well, at least she's not Trump! Remember when...?" Bhaal fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Majorian posted:I don't think we have to worry about Schultz spoiling this election, folks. He really speaks to the “I don’t desire a single good thing” demo.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Should have said 'dropped the case.' Oh just scary letters from the government and DAs coming to my house to frighten me? Well I want whoever decided that was a good idea to have more power!
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I think we all mostly agree that there should be more services to help people combat poverty, homelessness, hunger, and other principal problems that contribute to kids missing school. Still, some people are service resistant. It's one thing when you're talking about homeless people who aren't willing or able to engage with the infrastructure to help them but it's a whole other when we are talking about parents who are responsible for the welfare of children. Am I right in assuming the thread's consensus is that there should be no punishment for truancy of any kind despite the well documented negative outcomes for kids who are perpetually absent? Can we really not think of any consequences for it besides "threaten parents with jail?" Like, leave the morality of that aside. Is that really the best we can do? Jesus Christ we're unimaginative and/or just don't give a gently caress.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He really speaks to the “I don’t desire a single good thing” demo. I mean, he invented Starbucks, it makes sense
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pumpinglemma posted:They literally did, that's why in the video Kamala said she "dismissed the charges". Read the drat transcript I posted. You're right, there were charges brought against her.
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OhDearGodNo posted:You're right, there were charges brought against her. Holy poo poo you're an amazing rear end in a top hat.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He really speaks to the “I don’t desire a single good thing” demo. Schultz 2020: Who needs charm on any level?
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Majorian posted:I don't think we have to worry about Schultz spoiling this election, folks. https://twitter.com/merica/status/1090047955288162304?s=20
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Crow Jane posted:I mean, he invented Starbucks, it makes sense He didn't actually, he bought it.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I think we all mostly agree that there should be more services to help people combat poverty, homelessness, hunger, and other principal problems that contribute to kids missing school. Still, some people are service resistant. It is unspeakably authoritarian to refer to people who don't go along with liberal boondoggles like harris' jail the parents program as "service resistant."
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"I AM A SELF MADE MAN. HOW DARE ANYONE SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT BILLIONAIRES, I AM A REAL AMERICAN! SILENCE YOU loving SERFS AND DRINK MY COFFEE!" Maybe there should be a boycott of Starbucks.
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pseudanonymous posted:He didn't actually, he bought it. Either way, it's clear he doesn't like good things.
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1glitch0 posted:Oh just scary letters from the government and DAs coming to my house to frighten me? Well I want whoever decided that was a good idea to have more power! What do you do if the parents don't make the effort for the kids to go to school, if they've had offers of accommodation and refuse to make any attempts for their kid to attend school? What do you do when you've made every attempt to get the kid into school but the parent's just don't bother?
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Willa Rogers posted:"she's just horrible! but vote for her anyway!" Unironically yes.
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