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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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I was disappointed in how Warren dealt with the DNA poo poo, but I’m hoping that she learned from that disaster and will be better for it. She’s still far and away the best non-Bernie candidate.
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I think Brown will be a very good non- Bernie option too.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:06
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i dunno his campaign prologue being "what if medicare for all but for cops" raises some questions
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Jan 29, 2019 06:07
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Brown is the only candidate who guarantees a Republican Senate, which is, uh, not great.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:09
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Pylons posted:Isn't Matt Bruenig the guy who tried to claim that "women and PoC" were responsible for Trump's victory? Not exactly - the piece I think you're referring to, entitled "Women and people of color make up the majority of the Trump coalition," is more of a commentary on the common implication in the media that everyone who voted for Trump was a white male. It's admittedly pretty misleading of him to lump POCs in with white women, as if they were an equal share, but the point is a valid one: white women broke decisively for Trump, and he got way more POC votes than he had any business getting. He overstates his case in this one, but if you read it, you'll see that it's intended to be a response to the media narrative. Majorian fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Jan 29, 2019 06:13
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Lightning Knight posted:That said, the thing that spooks me about Warren is not that she is a cluelessly racist wealthy white woman, that’s fairly normal. It’s scary, however, that she talks about “fixing capitalism” and “making markets work” because that signals a fundamental inability to understand the issues we’re facing in the 21st Century. While this is definitely true, Warren at least clears the bar where, if Bernie ends up not running (which I still have a sinking feeling about!), she's good enough that I'll openly boost her against the other Democratic candidates. The wealth tax thing basically pushed her from "neutral" (as opposed to "bad" for all other non-Warren/Bernie options) to "a bit good." That article about how Wall Street bankers are only concerned about Bernie and her is also something in her favor. mcmagic posted:I think Brown will be a very good non- Bernie option too. Hell no, there've been at least a couple things that should have set off alarms for him. He would definitely not push for M4A, and that's a pretty low bar, especially in this election (where even the likes of Kamala Harris are using it as a slogan). Warren is really the only non-Bernie option that I'm not 100% convinced would be bad.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:13
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Majorian posted:Not exactly - the piece I think you're referring to, entitled"Women and people of color make up the majority of the Trump coalition," is more of a commentary on the common implication in the media that everyone who voted for Trump was a white male. It's a little misleading of him to lump POCs in with white women, as if they were an equal share, but the point is a valid one: white women broke decisively for Trump, and he got way more POC votes than he had any business getting. I think "a little misleading" is probably putting it extremely mildly, but I'll concede that the point behind the article is valid.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:14
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Pylons posted:I think "a little misleading" is probably putting it extremely mildly, but I'll concede that the point behind the article is valid. Fair point, edited.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:16
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Ytlaya posted:Hell no, there've been at least a couple things that should have set off alarms for him. He would definitely not push for M4A, and that's a pretty low bar, especially in this election (where even the likes of Kamala Harris are using it as a slogan). Warren is really the only non-Bernie option that I'm not 100% convinced would be bad.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:21
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skylined! posted:Hillary was last seen eating a churro in Puerto Rico so who knows. hurricane relief for entrepreneurs.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:23
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https://twitter.com/WillisJermane/status/1089983025713213440mcmagic posted:I think Brown will be a very good non- Bernie option too. It's Bernie, bitch.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:26
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i dunno his campaign prologue being "what if medicare for all but for cops" raises some questions love the totally uncritical and unexamined cop worship in America that's utterly ignorant of the role that law enforcers served in history stretching back over literal millennia of years
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Jan 29, 2019 06:28
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a dem running on the slogan "dignity in work" is woefully out of touch with the populace.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:31
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Her laughing there as she's describing government oppression is really creepy.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:35
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mcmagic posted:Her laughing there as she's describing government oppression is really creepy. It's weird how she's describing the case because she's saying they were getting that mom and her kids the services she needs so that the kids can go to school and such, but it was at the threat of prosecution otherwise. Like, why not just just help her out and not press charges at all???
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Jan 29, 2019 06:45
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:It's weird how she's describing the case because she's saying they were getting that mom and her kids the services she needs so that the kids can go to school and such, but it was at the threat of prosecution otherwise. Like, why not just just help her out and not press charges at all??? I hope someone finds the woman she’s talking about because I bet the outcome was worse than she’s leading on.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:51
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Responding to some poo poo from like 5 pages ago: Banning private colleges is moronic. The super rich will just buy their way into top tier schools in some other country. Unless you want to bomb Oxford or Cambridge or whatever it won't achieve anything useful. Also, a lot of private schools with really high sticker prices are actually cheaper than public schools unless you're an international student or extremely wealthy. I went to a private school for undergrad and the only people I know who paid anything close to the full price were rich foreign students. Actually, at my undergrad, anyone from the county where the school was located got an automatic full ride. The real problem is that most people don't know this and assume public school is the only option if they're not rich. I'm all for funding public colleges better and I'm 100% for free tuition (because I'm about to have a useless Ph.D and would like to have a job, if for no other reason) but as someone who's currently employed as an instructor at a "flagship" public school, these 500 person classes aren't for everyone and some students would definitely have a far better experience at a smaller (therefore private) school. At least the UC system where I work, there are super strong incentives to rush as many students through a degree as fast as possible and I think it's a Good Thing to have institutions with a mission that doesn't strive to be so brutally efficient.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:52
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:It's weird how she's describing the case because she's saying they were getting that mom and her kids the services she needs so that the kids can go to school and such, but it was at the threat of prosecution otherwise. Like, why not just just help her out and not press charges at all??? For the last few decades, Centrist Democrats have labored under the delusion that women candidates need to show that they're TOUGH ON CRIME, RAAAAAAARGH!!! And the only way to do that, of course, is to be draconian against the most vulnerable demographics in the country. The fact that this, in fact, doesn't actually earn them very many, if any, votes, doesn't ever seem to deter Democratic strategists from insisting on it.
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Jan 29, 2019 06:53
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Gnumonic posted:Responding to some poo poo from like 5 pages ago: are any candidates in the race proposing the abolition of private colleges though
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Jan 29, 2019 07:01
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Majorian posted:For the last few decades, Centrist Democrats have labored under the delusion that women candidates need to show that they're TOUGH ON CRIME, RAAAAAAARGH!!! And the only way to do that, of course, is to be draconian against the most vulnerable demographics in the country. The Republicans have been incredibly good at defining the discourse in a way that makes it their home turf and Democrats desperately need to appease them to make up for the shame of not being Republicans. Meanwhile, https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status/1089909214213038081
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Jan 29, 2019 07:07
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mcmagic posted:He'll be on M4A. It's going to be the mainstream position every candidate is going to have to take. I would bet actual money that he would not strongly push for it if elected, given he wasn't willing to support M4A as late as those recent-ish comments where he mentioned preferring Medicare at 55. It's unlikely to pass even if Bernie is elected, but that makes it even more important that we have a president who at least rhetorically pushes strongly for it, instead of one who quickly drops the bar to Medicare at 55 (or whatever). edit: And this isn't even getting into the whole "strong support from insurers" thing, which makes him even less reliable.
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Jan 29, 2019 07:11
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https://twitter.com/MCappetta/status/1089924480770686976 33 million free eyeballs can't be wrong baby!!
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Jan 29, 2019 07:12
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This pains me to say but I think Harris might be better at town halls (And possibly debates) than Obama.
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Jan 29, 2019 07:14
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theblackw0lf posted:This pains me to say but I think Harris might be better at town halls (And possibly debates) than Obama. I don't think so at all. She comes off almost immediately as inauthentic. Though I don't think it matters. The percentage of people that actually sits down and watches these things at the primary stage is minuscule. She will get fawning praise continuously, especially on CNN and from the pod bros, and that ultimately may be enough. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Jan 29, 2019 07:34
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joepinetree posted:I don't think so at all. She comes off almost immediately as unauthentic. I think she has an appeal to a certain small subset of voters in the sense that she sounds like "a competent coworker/manager in a professional setting" (which is something that is going to appeal to a lot of people who work in fields like that). Even Hillary had that to some extent. But that's a very limited sort of charisma that doesn't work with most people.
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Jan 29, 2019 07:41
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im not convinced it's a small subset she is probably going to be a top contender for a variety of reasons
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Jan 29, 2019 07:51
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Berke Negri posted:im not convinced it's a small subset she is probably going to be a top contender for a variety of reasons Don't get me wrong. Given the treatment that she received from the media today i think she's the favorite. Still doesn't make her charismatic, especially in comparison to Obama.
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Jan 29, 2019 08:01
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well I think she has a certain different sort of charisma even if that is not appealing to people here but you're right she's not really comparable to Obama he came from a community activism background kind of real different narratives there very few politicians are actually as charismatic as Obama anyways
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Jan 29, 2019 08:13
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why not kamala "top cop" harris in the poll?
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Jan 29, 2019 08:42
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it's wrong to call kamala a cop anyways because anyone that did their homework would know in the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate but equally important groups: the police, who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. these are their stories.
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Jan 29, 2019 08:48
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joepinetree posted:Don't get me wrong. Given the treatment that she received from the media today i think she's the favorite. Still doesn't make her charismatic, especially in comparison to Obama. all is lost 
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Jan 29, 2019 08:55
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oh and that video of bernie doing some international outreach while kamala was busy at UC learning the skills she would need later in life to toss homeless mothers in prison abandon hope
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Jan 29, 2019 08:56
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:oh no, not the media that everyone loving hates by now Trust in the media is at a record high among Democrats.
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Jan 29, 2019 09:06
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Are liberals dumber than conservatives? They must be.
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Jan 29, 2019 09:56
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SKULL.GIF posted:https://twitter.com/WillisJermane/status/1089983025713213440 That’s the thing here. There’s no cause for jailing parents except as particularly brutal form of “deterrence”. I guess it’s a sign of our culture that the go to deterrent for any behavior is jail time, but it sucks
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Jan 29, 2019 11:49
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Z. Autobahn posted:After tonight, Harris feels real formidable to me; she's basically just running an AU of "what if Hillary Clinton was a smooth savvy professional and not a giant incompetent weirdo". She's inauthentic, but in a very different way from Hillary (slick smooth lawyer rather than focus-group churning secretive goober). TBH I think it really comes down to how much the people who voted for HRC care about her record vs what she's saying now (I'm not hopeful...) I seem to remember that most of this forum was absolutely convinced that Hillary was a smooth savvy professional last time around, so forgive me if I take this with a grain of salt.
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Jan 29, 2019 11:56
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There's a new Washington Post-ABC News poll out suggesting there really is no front runner to the Democratic primary. When asked an open-ended question about whom they would support, 56% of Democratic-leaning voters said they had no preference on the nominee. Among those voters who did have a preference, no candidate got above 9%. Also: quote:Democrats also are divided over the issue that was most important to them. When given a list of four options, 31 percent said “improving the health-care system,” 21 percent said “reducing economic inequality,” 18 percent said “reducing racial and gender discrimination” and 15 percent said “combating global warming.” e: im assuming the 4% for trump is just the entire state of west virginia??? QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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Jan 29, 2019 13:07
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I'm kind of stunned no one else was asking an open ended question like that.
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Jan 29, 2019 13:14
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Isn't her father a professor that's written books describing black communities as colonies and the police as an occupying army? I'm getting the impression she took the exact wrong lesson from that.
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hey guys, politico compiled a list of candidates you should shun, and ones you should vote for in the primary. the ones you should shun: quote:After mentioning Bloomberg, Wall Street executives who want Trump out list a consistent roster of appealing nominees that includes former Vice President Joe Biden and Sens. Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York and Kamala Harris of California. Others meriting mention: former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, former Maryland Rep. John Delaney and former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke, though fewally know his positions. the ones you should vote for: quote:Bankers’ biggest fear: The nomination goes to an anti-Wall Street crusader like Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Sanders. “It can’t be Warren and it can’t be Sanders,” said the CEO of another giant bank. “It has to be someone centrist and someone who can win.” ok, so that means this thread is now the sanders vs warren zone.
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