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I have, oil and trains I both enjoy a lot, because they're kinda separate systems you build in parallel. They add a lot of new stuff to think about, which is why I have so many resources pouring into my base that I would have to build some absolutely enormous poo poo to use it. The first oil source I found was I dunno, 60 seconds of train away? So building a station at each end to buffer all that was fun. I really do like the game, maybe I will go back to enjoying it if I just forget about it for a few days.
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Jan 28, 2019 01:35
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Maybe OpenTTD would be more fun? Focuses more on the train side of things. Yeah, plopping down optimized factory blocks like you described doesn't sound fun at all. So... don't do that. Make mini factories that each specialize in a single product. Or make your factory as dense as possible. Optimise the pollution output. Do a lazy bastard run. Design a factory that only builds intermediate components just-in-time. Don't play the game in a way you don't enjoy.
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Jan 28, 2019 01:46
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Yeah I'm kinda leaning toward starting again and making my first factory just a rush to rails and setting up individual factories to produce a few products each and then training them to a new factory each time I tech up, and when I get oil making a point to convert everything possible from coal to solid fuel just for the hell of having it on a feedback loop. I do like the pressure of having enemies, I honestly wish they were significantly harder to deal with but maybe that ramps up more if I play differently or get closer to late game so I don't think I'll crank it up yet.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:19
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Ambaire posted:Does anyone know how the gently caress to clear my Factorio steam cloud save storage? Started playing it again after a hiatus and I discovered I had 370MB of .16 seablock saves that I had thought I had cleared. Turns out they're in the steam cloud for some dumb reason and every time I relaunch Factorio, it redownloads them. Tried deleting them with the game running.. nope, still redownloads. I'd like to clear it out and start using the steam cloud again from scratch... I think the way the cloud saves work is that it only saves the most recent saves up until whatever the size limit is (1 gig, maybe?). So I think the 'solution' is to make a bunch of saves and push those out. If there's another way I'd love to know myself.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:21
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Have you messed with nuclear power yet?
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Jan 28, 2019 02:24
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K8.0 posted:I have, oil and trains I both enjoy a lot, because they're kinda separate systems you build in parallel. They add a lot of new stuff to think about, which is why I have so many resources pouring into my base that I would have to build some absolutely enormous poo poo to use it. The first oil source I found was I dunno, 60 seconds of train away? So building a station at each end to buffer all that was fun. So when I read your first post I thought I had a great tip for you, which was to not necessarily go for next science, but just automate "the next thing" you haven't yet. Maybe you haven't done assemblers yet, or solar panels, or train tracks. Maybe add those cogs you don't want to automate over and over to your bus. And after that you do the next next thing. Now that you posted this I'm thinking maybe you've done plenty of those things already done most those things. Maybe one of those mods that starts you off with a small amount of bots might help, because it would allow you to easily copy-paste previous builds.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:24
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K8.0 posted:Yeah I'm kinda leaning toward starting again and making my first factory just a rush to rails and setting up individual factories to produce a few products each and then training them to a new factory each time I tech up, and when I get oil making a point to convert everything possible from coal to solid fuel just for the hell of having it on a feedback loop. There's no need to start all over if you want to try a new idea without the hand-inserter phase. You can use what you've got established so far in order to rebuild a more optimal base somewhere else. Personally, the first hour of the game is the biggest hump for me to get over because babysitting a dozen miners, a belt factory and an embryonic lab is particularly tedious. Once you're ready to go live on your new bus, just redirect your raw resources away from your old complex and start disassembling it. I'm working on a new complex with distributed ore processing and red and green chip assembly in my current save, and I'm toying with the idea of setting up a central warehouse and doing a fully distributed system with on-demand train dispatch.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:26
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Sorry for the double, but I'm thinking on how to run a universal unloader while having inventory control in place. I'm not super great with circuit logic yet but my initial thought is to set the station to read the contents of the train, then compare it with either the inventory on hand or a SR-type yes/no switch, so that if the Depot needs more stuff it will allow an unload and if it doesn't, it blocks the inserters and sends the train away. I'm sure the better option is to use either a signal-controlled parking lot or to run comm lines along the rail network, but beyond basic latches and turning off old ore patches as they dry up, I don't even know what I don't know w/r/t logic in this game.
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Jan 28, 2019 02:37
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The only problem I have with nuclear is that it's a solved system. If you have X Reactors, you need Y heat exchangers and Z turbines, and the ratios are pretty static; once you have a blueprint there's very little room for innovation, and deviating from the ratio is a pure downgrade. I also have this problem with steam generation.
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Jan 28, 2019 05:47
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So I'm a beginner sorta, played a few years ago but haven't ever won the game. I've just started a new map with the idea of learning to create a bus. I've chosen 4-lanes and wonder if that is a bad idea, as in, do I need a really big production to support it? Also, whats the true use of 4-lane? I use some blueprint splitters from https://wiki.factorio.com/tutorial:main_bus and what's the benefit of 4-lane? Just to make sure you get materials to the "end" of the bus? should I split from any other lane than the left most or right most when I split? I also will make sure to create huge spaces for my factories now. Hopefully not feel completely overwhelmed by the switch to robos. I love the things  but I always get the feeling of where do I start with them, and after building all these neat belts, I kinda feel a bit empty inside.
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Jan 28, 2019 16:47
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saihttam posted:\ every belt has a throughput limit, so more bus belts = more stuff = bigger factory side-preference splitters make it kind of impractical to care which side of the bus you split off from. if your right-side tap isn't getting enough stuff, you can use a staircase of three right-output splitters before it to force every possibly item as far right as it can go generally a ton of really fancy splitter tech got obsoleted by side-preference splitters and nobody's bothered cleaning it out of the wiki
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Jan 28, 2019 17:02
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gently caress, when is that update coming
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Jan 28, 2019 17:10
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They said if not Jan then February. I'd be stoked if they announce it in this week's FFF. I've been playing one of the 0.17 mods in preparation. I really like the changes to the tech tree and science recipes. necrotic fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jan 28, 2019 |
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Jan 28, 2019 17:12
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LordSaturn posted:generally a ton of really fancy splitter tech got obsoleted by side-preference splitters and nobody's bothered cleaning it out of the wiki Given how Reddit reacted when they removed balancer blueprints, I'm not surprised.
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Jan 28, 2019 17:12
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LordSaturn posted:every belt has a throughput limit, so more bus belts = more stuff = bigger factory Oh I see, so I can basically just use a few splitters in cascades with the side-preference? thats good to know, I used it for my coal and I wasn't sure about the difference with these fancy blueprints (they look cool though)
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Jan 28, 2019 17:24
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saihttam posted:So I'm a beginner sorta, played a few years ago but haven't ever won the game. I've just started a new map with the idea of learning to create a bus. I've chosen 4-lanes and wonder if that is a bad idea, as in, do I need a really big production to support it? You don't need 4-lanes for every material. For a first-time "just trying to launch a single rocket" the only things that need that much throughput are iron, copper, and maybe green circuits. You can probably get away with two lanes of green circuits and one of everything else. I recommend KatherineofSkye's tutorial over the one you linked, she goes into a lot more detail wrt the how / why / how much: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=754378586
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Jan 28, 2019 18:13
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People use 4 lane buses because that's the max distance an underground yellow belt will reach, which is important for intersections. Also, https://doomeer.com/factorio/ calculates how much and of what raw material you need for a given rate of finished product. For instance a 20/minute rate of all types of science other than Space Science Packs, you only need 4 red belts of iron, 3 of copper, 1.5 green circuit and relatively small amounts of other stuff. edit: I just launched my first AngelBob rocket. That last stretch where suddenly you need tons of ammonia, tungsten and silver was a gnarly surprise.
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Jan 28, 2019 19:20
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Background: I've never really done anything besides build up my starting area, limp my way to a rocket, and call it a game. This time I'm getting really annoyed by the geography of my starting area and the resulting tragedy that is my base layout. I've just finished automated blue science and am dreading moving into purple/gold with my current setup. I want to build up something nicer from scratch and maybe go for a post-rocket game for once. So I'm think of just leaving my current factory in the dust and starting from scratch. Fill up a tank with drills, walls, ammo, assemblers, belts, furnaces, and loving off to a nicer part of the map. I've seen other people in the thread mention that they've done this before, but is this viable to do prior to the very late game? My worry is that if I go too far out past the starting area there's going to be so many bugs that I'll be swarmed to death since I only have mid-game defense tech.
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Jan 28, 2019 19:30
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Galvanik posted:People use 4 lane buses because that's the max distance an underground yellow belt will reach, which is important for intersections. Of course, "only" 4 red lanes of iron is ~87 furnaces, which is a lot to set up and supply. Maybe I'm bad at building at scale, but that's a lot to me. Sydin posted:Background: I've never really done anything besides build up my starting area, limp my way to a rocket, and call it a game. This time I'm getting really annoyed by the geography of my starting area and the resulting tragedy that is my base layout. I've just finished automated blue science and am dreading moving into purple/gold with my current setup. I want to build up something nicer from scratch and maybe go for a post-rocket game for once. Yes, absolutely pack up a tank and look for a nice open area to start again. It's absolutely viable to do before end game. A few ideas: - shut down parts of your factory so you're making less pollution. This keeps the bugs off your back for a bit. - spend some time researching military stuff and building up your strength. You're going to want a lot of ammo and turrets. - bugs are easier to kill than you think. - grenades and poison capsules are your friends. - build a train between your new and old bases to make the move easier.
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Jan 28, 2019 19:41
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The train idea is solid, will absolutely do that. I need some prep time any way to make cannon shells and solar equipment, so I can just add rails to the list. Never tried poison capsules before; I've pretty much only ever used vehicles and turrets. They don't look all that annoying to make though so I'll give them a whirl. Thanks for the tips. 
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Jan 28, 2019 19:51
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Poison caps are easy to make and useful for most of the game. I definitely prefer them over grenades for taking out trees since they can do so without damage upgrades (which grenades need to be able to oneshot trees) and won't damage buildings. They're also very nice for an initial attack on a large enemy base, since they will kill small worms and significantly weaken medium/large ones, but they also stack, so even big worms can be taken out if you toss enough capsules. They also have a decent AoE so you can hit worms with them from outside of the worms' range, which is especially helpful before power armor. Unfortunately they're locked behind military 3 which means you need oil up and running (for blue packs) before you can use them, so I've used them a lot less since they got moved there. If you're at laser tech and have decent power excess (which should be a thing if you mostly shut down your old base) run power lines along the rails between your old and new bases, and stick a couple lasers on every pole. This also gives your new base some power to start up with, and carves out a safe corridor for travelling between the two.
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Jan 28, 2019 19:59
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Take some time to route everything you need to expand and defend a factory to the same place, so you can drive by and ctrl-click a bunch of chests in case you run out of anything. Leave your existing factory in place to continue to produce that poo poo for you until it starves for raw materials. When you have bots and trains you can use a temporary roboport network to rip everything out and then load it all onto a train for delivery elsewhere. Upgrading obsolete belts and assemblers from legacy installations preserves the raw materials built into them, allowing you to build more things.
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Jan 28, 2019 20:03
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Roflex posted:If you're at laser tech and have decent power excess (which should be a thing if you mostly shut down your old base) run power lines along the rails between your old and new bases, and stick a couple lasers on every pole. This also gives your new base some power to start up with, and carves out a safe corridor for travelling between the two. Trains run over biters real well. Train rails usually don't need defended.
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Jan 28, 2019 20:04
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:You don't need 4-lanes for every material. For a first-time "just trying to launch a single rocket" the only things that need that much throughput are iron, copper, and maybe green circuits. You can probably get away with two lanes of green circuits and one of everything else. This was definitely more updated that the wiki, thanks. I somehow thought that a vertical factory line along my vertical bus was the way to go, so all this helps. Now I just have to research explosives for the cliffs that's in the way of my bus 
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Jan 28, 2019 20:34
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Solumin posted:Of course, "only" 4 red lanes of iron is ~87 furnaces, which is a lot to set up and supply. Maybe I'm bad at building at scale, but that's a lot to me. 4 red lanes of iron should be close to 200 furnaces. My red furnace blocks are 48 furnaces per belt but I think the actual ideal number is slightly less than that.
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Jan 28, 2019 22:14
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uPen posted:4 red lanes of iron should be close to 200 furnaces. My red furnace blocks are 48 furnaces per belt but I think the actual ideal number is slightly less than that. 47 basic furnaces smelting iron saturate a yellow belt, 94 saturate a red belt, and 140 saturate a blue belt steel / electric furnaces are twice as fast, so halve these numbers, but due to rounding issues it's 24 for a yellow belt steel is five times slower than iron/copper so you need five times as much (or, more likely, just don't bother with full steel saturation until you have speed + productivity mods online)
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Jan 28, 2019 22:17
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https://factoriocheatsheet.com
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Jan 28, 2019 22:42
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uPen posted:4 red lanes of iron should be close to 200 furnaces. My red furnace blocks are 48 furnaces per belt but I think the actual ideal number is slightly less than that. I don't know the numbers that well, I just used the number from the site Galvanik linked and assumed the amount listed was 4 red belts.
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Jan 28, 2019 22:49
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4 red belts isn't a ridiculous amount of materials but it's more useful if it's 2 red belts here and 2 red belts there. At a certain point you don't need the red belts in-between the furnace and the green circuit block. What I'm trying to say is 4 belt bus is ehhhhhh.
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Jan 28, 2019 23:19
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All 4 belts don't need to be the same resource. Using 4 belts from the start is nice because underground belts can go over the 4. Going lower would just lead to needing more undergrounds overall. Reorganizing the bus half way through it's total length is also really annoying and looks terrible.
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Jan 28, 2019 23:54
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My 2 cents: anything you build (other than maybe solar farms) from the start of the game until... some point we'll call "point X" is inherently temporary. At point X you start setting up permanent production lines. For me, I never got to point X. 4 yellow belts were enough, but only just, for my 3 factories, where I only played to the first rocket each time. 4 reds should imo absolutely get you to reasonable levels of tier3 module production, which is probably a good estimate for point X.
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Jan 29, 2019 00:10
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Dancer posted:4 reds should imo absolutely get you to reasonable levels of tier3 module production Tier 3 modules are way more expensive than you think. Just two assemblers making Tier 3 modules require more than three red belts of copper plates and nearly two red belts of iron plates to be in continuous operation, and will produce only 2.5 modules a minute between them.
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Jan 29, 2019 01:15
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This is how I make my smelter lanes to fill one belt. 24 furnaces on each side. Same layout for steel furnaces with red belts. Feed ore into one splitter and fuel into the other.
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Jan 29, 2019 11:02
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My smelter array feeding 4 blue lanes of iron That's using Electric Furnace 2, which even with the modules still has a crafting speed of over 2. There's 120 in this shot and another 24 out of frame.
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Jan 29, 2019 11:20
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Am I the only one that sets up one 32 x 2 furnace column for iron, one for copper, and later a 16 x 2 for steel, then build up to (my goal or bots, whichever comes first) then head in a direction and start over if I want a mega-factory? Proper busses are boring and annoying to set up imo, so I just ensure my furnace columns are fed properly and upgrade belt as needed. You can’t pump out modules with it, but it’s so much easier.
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Jan 29, 2019 15:42
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Collateral Damage posted:This is how I make my smelter lanes to fill one belt. 24 furnaces on each side. Same layout for steel furnaces with red belts. Feed ore into one splitter and fuel into the other. god damnit, why do I make my lanes more complicated than they have to be
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Jan 29, 2019 16:51
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Since I love seeing everyone's bases and hearing people sperg about belts and ratios, here's my completely unoptimized base! Been playing off an on for a month or so, on a railworld map with no biters and a lot of water. I am not a fan of huge belts and megabases, but I do love me some trains. Whole map:  It's pretty spread out and takes a while to train from one end to the other. For the most part I have trains set up to go to stations like "IronOre-Pickup" (mine) -> "Staging" -> "IronOre-Drop" (smelter) and they get fueled up in the Staging area, which is kinda near the middle, a bunch of parallel stations all with the same name. That proved to be a bit busy, so now I've got a separate "ore warehouse" area with trains doing "IronOre-Pickup" -> "Put-IronOre", and then it's unloaded into chests, and then right into another train sitting at a "Get-IronOre" stop and that train then goes to the original "IronOre-Drop". So instead of 3 stops for each of those trains, it's just two, with some basic circuit logic to disable stations if they're full (or empty depending on get/put). You can see my iron plate warehouse area in the next screenshot, as well as the dedicated "steel smelter" base, which itself has just a "Coal-Drop" and an "IronOre-Drop" and then all the steel goes to a "Steel-Pickup" station.  The Iron Plate warehouse follows the same pattern as the ore warehouse, a parallel track for trains to drop off iron plates, goes into chests, then a station for other trains to pick up the plates. At the far left is a coal station which fuels the trains. Some places I use coal, others solidfuel, not super picky about it. I have a lot of dedicated mini-bases, like one that makes engines, one that makes electric engines, one that makes logistic bots (including those bot-frames, so it has like 5 different input stations and one output). I make my basic science (red, green, blue) in my original starting base, which has that paved area in the first screenshot. Then I have a purple science base and a military science base, which take some basic ingredients and then make beakers. Finally all the science goes to my science base.  Slowly working towards Yellow beakers, but i'm far away, I've only got one red-circuit base and one green-circuit base, haven't done blue yet nor done any modules at all. At the moment the challenge is getting more iron, which so far has been in fairly small patches (though I do use infinite ores) so as I get more map visible through radar stations I start adding new rail loops. Usually that means a coal-drop and some steam power, followed by a ton of mines and an ore-pickup station. There are two pretty big ore patches that'll require some snaky rails and landfill to reach, and then I can look at making an electric smelterbase, hopefully powered by nuclear (which I've started making fuel for). Sadly, my rail network is already getting bottlenecks, and I've made some loops to get around busy intersections, but the more trains I add the worse it gets...
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Jan 29, 2019 19:58
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Koobze posted:
Are you just chopping trees by hand? I can't imagine how else you wove the rail station into the forest like that. It looks nice, anyway
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All this talk of "warehouses" makes me really wish there were a 3x3 building with the same functionality as a chest. Plus maybe give it discrete internal storage areas so you can sort and filter it or something.
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