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Yeah, Riverdale's another one that gets goonlove, but it wasn't my thing at all.
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esperterra posted:I can understand not enjoying Riverdale or Sabrina (tho Riverdale moreso than Sabrina) tbh. Not only are they a. schlock they are b. literally for teenagers. I agree with this completely. Not sure why Rarity needs to pretend they’re high art or whatever
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I'd say Sabrina is closer to just being plain good tv, like of the two it's far more focused and seems to have a particular vision and idea for what it wants to do. It's still very silly, though. It's campy in a much different way than Riverdale, which is p much 'let's just throw poo poo at the wall and see what sticks!'. Which works for Riverdale because the show established itself very early on as being loving ridiculous. But yeah they're both just trashy teen shows so idgi when people are shook goons don't like them.
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In other news I started the back half of Kimmy Schmidt 4 last night and it is A+ e: lmao this sliding doors ep e2: lmao wait did rarity say sabrina was better than the leftovers girl ... 
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It's too bad, because I really liked the original show. But the new Sabrina is like aliens watched a single episode of Original Sabrina and then decided to make a reboot with their own, inhuman vision of what Sabrina should be. It's also objectively confusing, what kind of reasoning made it seem sensible to remake a silly little comedy show into some kind of grimdark edgelord version of itself? It fails as comedy, it fails as horror, and because of all the silly bits it also fails as teenage drama. Did the makers purposefully make this trainwreck so bad to create some sort of Plan 9 From Outer Space, but for teen dramas? esperterra posted:I'd say Sabrina is closer to just being plain good tv, like of the two it's far more focused and seems to have a particular vision and idea for what it wants to do. It's still very silly, though. It's campy in a much different way than Riverdale, which is p much 'let's just throw poo poo at the wall and see what sticks!'. Which works for Riverdale because the show established itself very early on as being loving ridiculous. The original show wasn't really good either, but it got some genuine chuckles out of me. The new show is just a waste of time and talent. I'm in this case genuinely embarrassed for the actors. Also what is the vision for Neo Sabrina? "It's Sabrina, but now it sucks?"
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Jan 30, 2019 20:17
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I love and prefer the original show, personally. It's silly as hell but I think stands up for a sitcom aimed at the youuuuuths. It's worth noting that the new show isn't based on the original show, or the original comics. It's based on a diff Sabrina comic which is very much not a comedy. Going into it expecting it to be like the OG comics or the Melissa Joan Hart show is going to get nothing but disappointment.
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Yeah, that seems to speak to the key criticism. Sabrina isn't a remake of a TGIF sitcom. Its an adaption of a existing similarly themed comic that comes from the same place the sitcom came from. They were just very different interpretations. If you went in expecting Melissa Joan Hart's Sabrina, you're gonna be disappointed but you probably shouldn't have gone in expecting that since it was never the source or inspiration. That being said I liked Sabrina and don't think it really belongs in direct comparisons with Riverdale, but its still not something I'd call prestige tv or must watch or anything. Its fun, so like if you ain't having fun then its probably not for you.
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Libluini posted:It's too bad, because I really liked the original show. But the new Sabrina is like aliens watched a single episode of Original Sabrina and then decided to make a reboot with their own, inhuman vision of what Sabrina should be. I really liked the original Batman show from back in the 60s, why on Earth did Tim Burton decide to remake a silly little comedy show into a gritty dark serious version of itself? It's like the old show was based on some sort of extant media property that has changed in the decades since then or something.
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When the show was announced all anyone could talk about was how they were looking forward to the return of sassy Salem. That might be why so many people are turned off by the show, they didn't get what they expected.
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I mean, it makes sense. The TGIF sitcom was high enough profile that a lot of people probably have no idea it started as a comic book or was a comic book well after it. So it makes sense that for a lot of people that was what they imagined. The Adam West Batman thing is a reasonable comparison but it would probably be hard to find someone who was completely unaware that there were other kinds of Batman. But I assume anyone trying to force Netflix Sabrina to fit TGIF Sabrina just aren't aware there is another thing to compare it to or that TGIF Sabrina wasn't the original. But like the level by which Libluini is condemning it on those grounds is a little unfair. Sabrina isn't asking to be compared to a show it has very little to do with. At some point you have to accept that's not the source material and as far as I could tell they never even really tried to capitalize on it.
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Escobarbarian posted:Not sure why Rarity needs to pretend they’re high art or whatever It's so easy to wind you up 
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Yeah, I bet there's tons of people who don't even know the MJH show was based on an Archie character. I know I've met at least one or two! From the tone of the trailers I still think it would be weird to go in expecting it to be like the sitcom. Then again a bunch of people prob just heard a new Sabrina show was coming/saw it pop up on Netflix and didn't look more into it. Now being upset Salem doesn't talk with the voice of Nick Bakay (poo poo he doesn't talk at all!) I can get behind tbh. I know Ambrose fills the typical Salem role, and I like the character, but it's the one thing I really do wish the new show had stuck with. Even if it were a diff voice actor but the same basic Salem. His brand of bad influence would be p interesting in this setting lmao
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Sabrina is cool and good and as someone who never watched Mad Men the only thing I know Kiernan Shipka from is the body-swap episode with JVDB in Don't Trust the B, which is hilarious cause I just finished a rewatch of that recently as well Esperterra I hate you cause I'm out of Schiit's Creek to watch. I need something else to binge on while this midwest weather has shut everything down around here. Patrick and David is life
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I meant people in this thread. People who were fully aware of its origins and still expected sassy Salem.
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hope and vaseline posted:Esperterra I hate you cause I'm out of Schiit's Creek to watch. I need something else to binge on while this midwest weather has shut everything down around here. Patrick and David is life I'm really glad you liked it! Canada's been lowkey hitting it out the park on the TV front lately.
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esperterra posted:Yeah, I bet there's tons of people who don't even know the MJH show was based on an Archie character. I know I've met at least one or two!
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Jan 30, 2019 20:55
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Salem was obviously the thing people most held onto from the TGIF show, and to the Netflix shows credit they clearly TRIED to cater to that with Ambrose. But its tough to replace a sassy talking cat.
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STAC Goat posted:Salem was obviously the thing people most held onto from the TGIF show, and to the Netflix shows credit they clearly TRIED to cater to that with Ambrose. But its tough to replace a sassy talking cat. Why hasn't there been a Garfield revival?
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There has. There has...
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 the ending of this Sliding Doors episode tho
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Rarity posted:It's so easy to wind you up It was more like baffled shaking of the head but yes ily too ❤️ Rewatching Better Things s2 now that it’s less than a month until the third hits. Really hope it hasn’t changed too much without CK because this poo poo is amazing
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Libluini posted:It's too bad, because I really liked the original show. But the new Sabrina is like aliens watched a single episode of Original Sabrina and then decided to make a reboot with their own, inhuman vision of what Sabrina should be. Sorry, not sorry, since it made a page of content; but I didn't mean it was  good. It worked for me because I wasn't really paying attention, my wife was watching it and I was doing paperwork, so every now and then I would look up and they'd be having a ~black trial~ or whatever and everything was so ridiculously absurd. It had a fun, campy vibe like True Blood or Merlin. Not good, but enjoyable? Guilty pleasure would probably be the closest feeling.  Hannibal though: that show is gooooooooooooooooooood!  Season 2 is still a-maze-ing! I unironically want them to make a spinoff Hannibal cooking show where Mads Mikkelsen teaches you how to cook a meal, in character...OUT OF HIS CELEBRITY GUEST!!!! 
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“you have to put four monopoly houses up your vagina.” “that’s the same as a hotel!” “ok, or a hotel.” man you fuckin KNOW Louis wrote that haha
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In my opinion, schlock is an over- and mis-used term, thanks for reading my manifesto
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zoux posted:In my opinion, schlock is an over- and mis-used term, thanks for reading my TED talk Fixed, gramps.
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I think there's like 2 different ideas of "schlock." One is "cheap and trashy" and one is "shallow and trashy." I wouldn't call Sabrina either of those. Riverdale might be the latter. But the former is what I tend to think of as "schlock". John Waters is "schlock". Off the top of my head I'm not sure i can think of anything mainstream that fits because mainstream/high production kind of works directly against the idea, IMO. But there's probably something I'm missing.
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STAC Goat posted:I think there's like 2 different ideas of "schlock." One is "cheap and trashy" and one is "shallow and trashy." I wouldn't call Sabrina either of those. Riverdale might be the latter. But the former is what I tend to think of as "schlock". John Waters is "schlock". People call stuff such as Westworld and GoT schlock, which is like the opposite of what they are. Even if you hate the shows, they aren't schlock. Schlock doesn't just mean "bad" it connotes B-movie production levels, camp and kitsch. Sabrina has very high production values, good actors, strong art direction, etc.
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zoux posted:People call stuff such as Westworld and GoT schlock, which is like the opposite of what they are. Even if you hate the shows, they aren't schlock. That’s definitely weird as hell
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Escobarbarian posted:That’s definitely weird as hell
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zoux posted:People call stuff such as Westworld and GoT schlock, which is like the opposite of what they are. Even if you hate the shows, they aren't schlock. Yeah, I basically agree with you but I think its a rule of life that at some point when people have been "misusing" a term long enough that it gets redefined. And to that end I think there's a definition of "schlock" that is accepted (but not how I use it) that describes "trashy" shows made that way as a style choice rather than a necessary budgetary reality. But Westworld and GoT don't fit either. We're just all dumb and we're all looking for a way to justify that we like bad stuff.
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Schlock is almost up there with "pretentious" and "hack" in terms of words that have lost all their actual meaning and are just something people call media and creators they don't like. It's getting to be a real gaslighting parasocial dunning-kruger for milennial hipsters, my sweet summer namaste.
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Escobarbarian posted:I agree with this completely. Not sure why Rarity needs to pretend they’re high art or whatever Is it really any worse than the many times you pretend a thing is Objectively Bad And Nobody Can Argue Otherwise? Not trying to be a butt, just sayin 
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Z Nation: Schlock The Walking Dead: Not Schlock
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Z Nation. Yeah, that's schlock. Blood Drive was VERY schlocky.
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Oh man nobody told me there was a new Gordon Ramsey Calls People Donkeys show and it's on season 2. Hell yesssssss
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precision posted:Oh man nobody told me there was a new Gordon Ramsey Calls People Donkeys show and it's on season 2. Hell yesssssss That's an accurate description of almost every US show Ramsey has ever been in though.
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Shlock isn't even inherently a negative thing, Spartacus is pure unashamed shlock in every possible way and it might be literally the best TV show ever made as a result
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I do not agree that it's schlock. Collider is reporting that negotations are in progress for Zendaya to play Chani, whom Usul will tell of his homeworld, in the Villanueve Dune E: also, per variety, CBS all access has ordered a 10 ep The Stand miniseries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAUpSm3fpa4 And the trailer for the Hanna series. zoux fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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