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let me just present my bog standard likud-style right wing policies and tell everyone i am full decorum centrist, i say as i threaten to execute the filthy terrorist leaders in my first ever campaign speech
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i can't get over this song "think like a patriot" "israel's flag proudly rises" just lmao AFancyQuestionMark has issued a correction as of 19:48 on Jan 29, 2019 |
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this is the guy our mainstream media told me was the foundation of a new center / center-left block to replace bibi love to choose this flavor of right wing nationalist over the one in power because it promises to be less corrupt, pinky swear
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הו הא מי זה בא, ראש הממשלה הבא kill me now
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my perspective is limited, but it seems like all these little parties just want to take votes from Likud and maybe Lieberman's party too, while still maintaining the general right-wing coalition?
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Jan 29, 2019 20:23
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:israel, israel before everything They have to know what this sounds like, right?
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Main Paineframe posted:my perspective is limited, but it seems like all these little parties just want to take votes from Likud and maybe Lieberman's party too, while still maintaining the general right-wing coalition? more or less, but Gantz in particular talks big about opposing corruption and specifically said something along the lines of "the notion that an indicted Prime Minister could remain at his post is utterly ridiculous, we will not allow that to happen", so basically a promise he won't go into a coalition with Likud should the investigations around Bibi go into the judicial stage (which it looks like they might). of course, he could always go back on that post-election, but since the appeal to institutions, decorum and '"a government that looks out for the people, rather than for its own survival" is the centerpiece of his platform, i can't imagine he will.
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Whorelord posted:They have to know what this sounds like, right? like "america first", but a bit more explicit
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:like "america first", but a bit more explicit its a nearly direct translation of "Deutschland, deutschland über alles" lol
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palestinian pm is resigning after stalled reconciliation with gaza. abbas still trucking along as pres
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Whorelord posted:They have to know what this sounds like, right? Likud is all but explicitly fascist
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Honestly I'm unsure about that statement, they might have come out of the
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this isn't likud, this is the new party by the ex-IDF chief that's being built up by the media as their "main" rivals commenters on ynet articles are full in for Gantz lately. wondering if its an astroturf or if he really has the "reasonable centrist" demographic locked up
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if he's explicitly starting a nazi party then, historically speaking, he's pretty much guaranteed the centrist vote
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If you're curious, here are the latest polls (for estimated seat count) - Hosen Yisrael (Israel's Resilience) is Gantz's party, remember that Israeli polls tended to underestimate Likud's vote share in the last election:
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btw, are you people okay with me posting my hot takes on israeli politics in here from time to time, or is this considered threadshitting?
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:btw, are you people okay with me posting my hot takes on israeli politics in here from time to time, or is this considered threadshitting? no man its good
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:btw, are you people okay with me posting my hot takes on israeli politics in here from time to time, or is this considered threadshitting? fine with me the D&D thread is mostly just for arguing endlessly with KJI anyway, no other discussion lasts for any length of time there
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and preferred PM polls - these are meaningless in terms of electoral outcomes, but may (or may not) show the general attitudes of israelis:
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Main Paineframe posted:fine with me there isn't much discussion happening here either. people only seem to care when the conflict flares up or something pops up in us news which is unfortunate, since the tacit approval of us voters is half the reason our government gets away with all of its bullshit
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The benefit of being the (ex) global hegemon is that you can move your spectacle across the globe and keep the rotation staggered such that nothing ever changes, lol
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Netanyahu on Gantz: "Another speech by Lapid [leader of Yesh-Atid, the other "centrist" party]. Someone who is neither Left nor Right - is Left" okay then, guess continuing the settlements and threatening opponents with assassination are leftist positions now
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Real hurthling! posted:palestinian pm is resigning after stalled reconciliation with gaza. abbas still trucking along as pres can you or someone else familiar with internal PA politics elaborate on the causes and significance of this? i don't trust israeli reporting on these topics
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:can you or someone else familiar with internal PA politics elaborate on the causes and significance of this? i don't trust israeli reporting on these topics so the palestinian president is like a decade past his last electoral mandate and runs the PA like a puppet police state so there really is limited significance to who is pm or whether gaza/wb reunification could occur under some mutually approved agreement in the short term because abbas seems like he isnt going anywhere unless its in a coffin when his old rear end croaks and elections will still be subject to israel deciding to honor them which they definitely wont, hence the last ten years of gaza occupation iana expert tho so i yield to corrections from those who are.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:can you or someone else familiar with internal PA politics elaborate on the causes and significance of this? i don't trust israeli reporting on these topics it's a long story, which goes back to the current status of the Palestinian political system in theory, Fatah and Hamas are technically political parties who both have elected representatives in the single Palestinian parliament. just like in Israel, the party or coalition with the most seats gets to pick the prime minister, who leads the legislative branch and holds some governing power and also gets to name the other ministers in practice, all this went out the window as soon as Hamas won more seats than Fatah did, in 2006. with international support, Abbas dismissed the prime minister and government (which he had the legal authority to do) and appointed a new one loyal to him without parliamentary approval (which he did not have the legal authority to do). Hamas refused to recognize that new PM and new ministers, but by then civil war had broken out, which ultimately resulted in the Fatah version of the government ruling the West Bank and the Hamas version in Gaza. so now Abbas essentially rules by decree over a rotating cast of flunkies, while promising that he'll call elections eventually someday every so often, Fatah and Hamas try to negotiate a unity deal, and as part of that, Abbas forms a coalition government with Hamas that gives a couple of the less important minister slots to them. it goes on like that for a little while, then it falls apart because no actual progress is made in negotiations on anything of importance, Abbas unilaterally reshuffles the ministers however he likes, and the two parties go back to hating each other. sometimes the "unity" effort sticks around, sometimes it fails and things go back to two separate governments refusing to recognize each other we're at that last stage of the cycle now. the current PM is a Fatah member and the head of a unity government with some Hamas members. by resigning, he's also dissolving the current unity government with Hamas members. which probably means Abbas is going to demand concessions from Hamas, threatening to boot them from the government and appoint a full slate of flunkies and loyalists again. and then there's no more unity and there's two separate PA governments again
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:btw, are you people okay with me posting my hot takes on israeli politics in here from time to time, or is this considered threadshitting? that is prime content, my friend
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Are gantz going to revive people from the dead to fight aliens because that might be worth voting for
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it owns that the only somewhat left wing party elected an unlikeable worthless lib as it's head and that the largest true opposition group, the joint list of arab and socialist parties, has broken up due to infighting
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:it owns that the only somewhat left wing party elected an unlikeable worthless lib as it's head and that the largest true opposition group, the joint list of arab and socialist parties, has broken up due to infighting I think Zandeberg tends to come across a bit too smug and condescending in her speeches to be an effective campaigner, but she isn't a "worthless lib"
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unless you meant Labor, in which case LMAO at "left wing"
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Speaking of which, I am currently considering making a series of effort posts throughout this month about every single party with a reasonable chance of being represented in the Knesset after the election. Would you be interested in reading that sort of thing (ie. should I bother)? If so, would it be better to have it in D&D or in CSPAM? In a new thread or in one of the I/P threads?
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Speaking of which, I am currently considering making a series of effort posts throughout this month about every single party with a reasonable chance of being represented in the Knesset after the election. I would read it and be interested
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Speaking of which, I am currently considering making a series of effort posts throughout this month about every single party with a reasonable chance of being represented in the Knesset after the election. You could post it in both tbf bit that sounds good and I'd like to read it
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is the dnd thread still constantly reacting to the same 2-3 israel trolls?
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Real hurthling! posted:is the dnd thread still constantly reacting to the same 2-3 israel trolls? yes, except its just dead most of the time. i assume its because kji is also a foreigner and could not actually give a poo poo about anything except defending apartheid
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COMRADES posted:I would read it and be interested
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