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Explopyro posted:Guess it's good to know they have some basic error checking? We all remember gen 1. Then again, breaking that game to pieces was a big part of the fun... Wormadam Mysteriis
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DoubleNegative posted:Finally finished all the recording I wanted to do. Allow me to present a tragedy in three acts: I...but...what? Does Cloud Nine not affect Desolate Land?
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Cloud Nine is supposed to cancel it out, from what I've seen, but apparently Insurgence devs forgot to figure out something for this case. Oops!
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Toyotasomi no Miko posted:Cloud Nine is supposed to cancel it out, from what I've seen, but apparently Insurgence devs forgot to figure out something for this case. Oops! So the plot of Emerald could have been solved fairly quick if they just got a bunch of Golducks?
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Some Numbers posted:I...but...what? Does Cloud Nine not affect Desolate Land? The wiki does say that it should also affect Desolate Land.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:So the plot of Emerald could have been solved fairly quick if they just got a bunch of Golducks? Yeah, but only as long as the Golducks were around. Cloud Nine removes the effects of weather rather than removing the weather itself.
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Haifisch posted:It's also notable that, for the most part, you can actually remember who all these people are. Even if you can't remember their names, you can still go "oh, Giratina mask guy" or "that lady obsessed with summoning Darkrai" and know who that is. Malah posted:The traditional storyline so far seems dumb in a standard pokemon (see: charming children's story) way instead of being dumb in a "lol Persephone just killed two randos in the first ten minutes" way, but I'm only a couple hours in so far. iospace posted:So it's insurgence a bad game? No. Is it a good game? Not really, it has some serious writing issues, but the pacing feels fine. As far as edgelord rom hacks/ fan games go, I'd say it's the best in what I've seen. Explopyro posted:Guess it's good to know they have some basic error checking?
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Dallbun posted:There are so many low bars here, I feel like I'm at at a limbo competition. 
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Dallbun posted:There are so many low bars here, I feel like I'm at at a limbo competition. Also people are mostly comparing it to Reborn, which is a bar so low it's in the Earth's core.
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Haifisch posted:This is a Pokemon fan game. Clearing the low bars is (sadly) legitimately impressive. Uranium is also an underground bar to clear, though admittedly not that underground.
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KataraniSword posted:Uranium is also an underground bar to clear, though admittedly not that underground. And Reborn burrowed straight through the Earth’s core and is currently on a collision course for the sun.
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KataraniSword posted:Uranium is also an underground bar to clear, though admittedly not that underground. Yeah, Uranium had at least some redeeming qualities like Top Boy.
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 Hello everyone and welcome back. Let's go get the 7th badge!      Alright so, the gym itself is pretty simple. It's just a large indoor pool with a bunch of trainers.  There's a few underwater passages, though only one leads to Calreath. It's really straightforward and I appreciate that.    In case there was any doubt what my strategy for the gym is. If I can shock the poo poo out of it, I will. I'm gonna take full advantage of thunder never missing during rainy weather.   What does that have to do with me not making it to Calreath? This lady ran right up under me. Rude.     Someone's parents were Zelda nerds.  Between Magnolia and NATHAN we've got this poo poo on lockdown.  I believe that's all the above-water trainers, so let's go hunting for the rest. There's like 5 or 6 dive spots in the gym and the remainder of the trainers are inside them.   Welp. That one was a bust.  This small patch on the west side of the gym is next.      That's pretty good. Also there's no pokemon shown because Magnolia and a Ludicolo KOed each other somehow.  Just past Evil is the way up.  That's the woman with no sense of personal space.  This is the northwest corner of the gym, and this is the last dive spot.   Beneath is a fairly long tunnel.    Somehow his Quagsire made it rain underwater. No idea how that works.   These NPC trainers have no concept of personal space.    This tunnel is long enough that I have doubts about anyone's ability to hold their breath through it. You'd need Blitzball player lungs to swim through!  Amy can make it because she's wearing a SCUBA.  Welcome to Calreath's room.  I'm gonna warn you right now... this isn't gonna go well.  : Amy. It's good to see you. How was your... er... meeting? : I see. He gave me the same speech a while ago. It's how I was able to meet my partner. Listen. He's a bit... intense. I trust him, though. I hope you do too. But anyways, are you ready for our battle? I'm anxious to get started! Ahem. : My Gym isn't just a Water-gym. I focus on Water in every possible way. The ocean, the lakes, the rivers. And yes, even the rain that fills them. The rain is one of the most important natural forces in the world. : But it's also one of the most destructive- and I'm about to show you why. Let's do it.   Cal leads things off with a mega evolving Politoed. It has Drizzle which naturally brings the rain. If you look at the rest of the team, one thing in particular might stand out. A Heliolisk benefits from the rest of the team's gimmick, but doesn't actually contribute to rain. The real danger, though, are Dragonite, Greninja, and Goodra. Greninja has Protean, so no matter what moves it uses it gets STAB. It's the biggest threat on the team by a large margin.  This is very important. It's raining in the gym by default, but Politoed here also brings rain. So in 5 turns, NATHAN's dominance ends.   Mega Politoed keeps Drizzle, but just gains a bunch more base stats. Its SpDef increases to 140 base!  Because it's raining, NATHAN gets another 1.5x boost on top of his already lethal Thunders.  Or, to put it another way...  Whoops. I was wrong. NOW NATHAN gets the additional 1.5x damage boost.  Here's where the problems begin.  Dragonite just shrugged off a boosted, STAB Thunder.   NATHAN is deathly allergic to ground moves.  Gateau comes in because of her sky high defense and ability to hit dragon for supereffective.  Hurricane hurt, for sure. But Gateau still got Shell Smash off.  Dazzling Gleam finishes off Dragonite.  Husk's whole job is to stonewall Heliolisk.  Nothing it has can even so much as touch Husk. I should have been using this time to revive NATHAN and prepare the rest of the team.  Instead I decided to buff Husk's nonexistant attack.   I pulled Husk out as soon as Greninja came out, and Centaurion walked out into Dark Pulse. Thankfully Fighting resists Dark so...  It kinda tickled.  The next problem: Greninja is really goddamned fast, and it's powerful. Ice Beam one shot Centaurion.  Gateau came out and it just scalded her to death. So far the only damage it's taken has been caused by Life Orb.  Because NATHAN mega evolved, Dracolich can't do it himself. So he has to set up New Moon before he can start spamming dark beams. Dracolich is also deathly weak to Ice Beam, which Greninja is not above spamming. We're REALLY in trouble now.  Magnolia and Husk will both go in a single turn each. So I'm basically gonna have to sacrifice one of them to revive someone else.  Sorry about this Magnolia.  No... I said heal up someone else!  The gently caress are you doing, past me? The gently caress are you doing Calreath?       Not very effective my rear end! It took off 90% of its HP!   Again with the AI's inability to keep from switching out. I don't... I don't get it.  Magnolia is faster than Greninja, though she can't hit it for supereffective at the moment thanks to Protean.  It still finally goes down though! loving hell...  We are behind the ball here. We've got one heavily damaged pokemon and a Shedinja, while Cal has Heliolisk, Goodra, and Manaphy still.  Great use of your time there, Cal. Restore the electric lizard.  Magnolia is definitely the MVP of this battle! She's quite the trooper.  Though she's not gonna last much longer.  Magnolia is KOed in this turn regardless of what I do. So now it's time to heal someone else.    Rest well Magnolia! Oh goodie.  I don't even know why I keep thinking it, but for the longest time I was convinced that Gateau was a special attacker instead of the physical powerhouse she is. After this battle I finally rectify that and give her a proper physical fairy move, one that will take advantage of her stats.  Sure, why not?  This battle is still going south for me.  Rapidly, at that.  Let's break out the Megalixir.  If ever there was a time where we needed it, then it's now.   Just in time, too!  Sadly NATHAN lost his mega evolution. But Manaphy is water type and he's a walking electrical socket.  Scald barely hurts.  That's both of those gone, at least.  Thunderbolt rules.   NATHAN hits 78, too!   Let's just shut this fucker down.   Neither side can really hurt the other very much, but NATHAN has freedom of movement, and I have enough healing items to keep him on his feet.  Gonna hedge my bets a little.    Another Thunderbolt paralyzes Goodra again.  Little bastard!  Now for some reason, Thunderbolt barely hurts Goodra. That's actually the result of two of them!  May as well take full advantage of the lull in battle while it's asleep, right?  This goo dragon is surprisngly tough.  Still stalling for time. Don't mind me!  NATHAN goes down again, but now I'm no longer up against a wall.  A fully refreshed Centaurion comes back out.  God I love STAB item-less Acrobatics.  Sure, whatever.   That was tough. I completely underestimated Calreath and got my rear end kicked as a result. If not for the healing items, I would not have won this battle at all.  were THAT good.: You really are fantastic. You'll be a great addition to our group. Here's your badge!  I legitimately have no idea what the command limit on this thing is anymore. This lets the level trainer use level 90 Audinos, so maybe the cap is 100 now? : And just cause I like ya so much, have this, too. Surprisingly few of our special attackers can make use of this. It's honestly a pity, because it's such a good move. : That TM contains the move Calm Mind. I know, it's a bit odd for a Rain leader to give out a Psychic TM. I promise you though- it's a fantastic move. It's definitely worth having! Now... since the First Augur disappeared, we don't actually have an eighth Gym Leader for you to face. In the meantime though, I guess y- minutes!: What.  There's a little handy exit down here.   : It's the big TV on that tower! Someone's doing a broadcast!: What? That's illegal! We haven't used that TV in years!    : Thank you. People of Amphitrite City. You may recognize me. I'm Zachary, your friendly neighborhood librarian. I'm also in charge of spearheading the vaccine movement. It's our goal to shut out this... heh... infernal Deoxys disease from all over.  : Not only is he unvaccinated, which is dangerous enough, but he's been trying to convince people to stay endangered! My friends, we cannot allow this to continue. to me.   : Oh and... why not. : Thank you for watching this emergency broadcast. Fuuuck. : Diana, she's in danger. I need to go.  Nothing good, Nora. Nothing good. : There's no way people will actually do that, right? How can Zenith possibly think this will work? : It actually worked... : We can't hope to beat someone who could do something like that.A beat passes.  : I guess we have to climb Mount Rose. That's the way to Deyraan Town. We're chosen by legends! Zenith doesn't stand a chance. Right? I hope so. I really do.  A bunch of people in town now repeat this phrase. We really need to take care of this. gently caress. Looking Ahead Mount Rose Base Granbull Heracross Stantler Sceptile Ninjask (5%) Shedinja (5%) Escavalier (5%) Accelgor (5%) Chesnaught Mount Rose Dunsparce Granbull Scizor Heracross Ninjask (5%) Shedinja (5%) Wormadam (Plant Cloak) Leavanny Escavalier (5%) Accelgor (5%) Mount Rose Grotto Spritzee Slurpuff Delta Phantump Mount Rose Interior Golem Ursaring Sableye Aggron Claydol Gigalith Mount Rose Exterior 2F Nidoqueen Clefable Arcanine Scizor Heracross Ninjask Shedinja Leavanny Mount Rose Exterior 2F Grotto Charmander Doduo Swablu Deino Mount Rose 2F Interior Steelix Glalie Gigalith Excadrill Beartic NEXT TIME: We climb Mount Rose.
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serefin99 posted:Huh. Greninja's tongue scarf changed colors based on what type Protean changed it to. I have no clue if that happens in the official games too, but that's really neat. It doesn’t, but it would be a nice touch. Anyway, now we’re in full on brainwashed zombie mode at this point. This can’t be a good development.
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Oh good, an anti-vax "flu shots are mind control" subplot to remind us that, no matter how many good decisions go into a Pokemon fangame, it remains, by its very nature, poo poo.
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EclecticTastes posted:Oh good, an anti-vax "flu shots are mind control" subplot to remind us that, no matter how many good decisions go into a Pokemon fangame, it remains, by its very nature, poo poo. At the risk of spoiling literally the next update, you're getting upset over subtext the game doesn't have.
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EclecticTastes posted:Oh good, an anti-vax "flu shots are mind control" subplot to remind us that, no matter how many good decisions go into a Pokemon fangame, it remains, by its very nature, poo poo. While it's tone is definitely not meant for a Pokémon game, lots of kids shows/games use something similar in their story; I do remember that in the first Inazuma Eleven game the main villain contaminated the city's water supply with a drug (that was also used by Zeus Jr High to make them invincible) that brainwashed the populace to hate and stop the main characters from participating in a soccer tournament final round. So, again, this is charmingly stupid like a goddamn saturday morning tv show.
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EclecticTastes posted:Oh good, an anti-vax "flu shots are mind control" subplot to remind us that, no matter how many good decisions go into a Pokemon fangame, it remains, by its very nature, poo poo.
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DoubleNegative posted:At the risk of spoiling literally the next update, you're getting upset over subtext the game doesn't have. That's actually worse, because that means it's not just bad storytelling, but careless storytelling. Writers should always seek to fully understand the subtext they're weaving into their narrative, even if it's unintentional. This sort of lax attitude towards one's writing is how we get games like Tom Clancy's The Division (to use a popular example) openly promoting authoritarian state violence without (presumably) the people at Ubisoft meaning to do so. If one just slaps plot points and tropes together with no thought to the context (both internal and external), they're going to interact in very ugly ways. Before he stuck a villain plot about a mind control vaccine into Insurgence, the writer should have considered what that's going to look like to the average player (for future reference, it's bad enough in the US that we'd totally eradicated measles within our borders right up until anti-vaxxers brought it back because one discredited hack in the UK made some irreplicable claims), and maybe exercised his creativity a little more in thinking up alternatives (for example, stolen Team Rocket tech from the Lake of Rage incident, retooled to work on humans, which would also score points with the fanfic crowd for drawing on official lore).
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I think this is reaching a little far. I don't, for example, read every horror plot about hillbillies who look weird because they've been interbreeding with monsters as being tied to RL fears of miscegenation, even though it unquestionably was for Lovecraft. Besides, the whole reason antivax is such a big problem is because it's not confined to just the complete lunatics who believe vaccines are a vector for NWO mind control. If it were that instead of a comparatively-plausible sort of pseudoscience/junk science, I have to believe the problem effectively wouldn't exist.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What kind of sprinkler system does Calreath have in his gym An entire floor of Pellipers and Politoeds living in the ceiling.
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JerryLee posted:I think this is reaching a little far. I don't, for example, read every horror plot about hillbillies who look weird because they've been interbreeding with monsters as being tied to RL fears of miscegenation, even though it unquestionably was for Lovecraft. Just because a particular author may not personally hold a certain viewpoint, doesn't somehow excise it from the narrative device being used, in and of itself. It requires a modicum of effort to distance oneself from the harmful metaphor. It's not that one can't use narrative elements with problematic origins, so much that one needs to ameliorate that problematic aspect in the execution. In your specific example, all it could take is making Innsmouth ethnically diverse to prevent the Deep Ones from being seen as a stand-in for any race or ethnicity. Now, I wouldn't rate this particular plot point all that highly on the scale of poor writing decisions, my penchant for theatrics notwithstanding, but it's pretty firmly on the list and absolutely worth criticizing. That said, that this point stands out is, in a way, a point in Insurgence's favor, because this sort of low-level sloppy writing wouldn't even register if it showed up in Reborn.
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People using fake medicine to hurt instead of heal is a story beat way older than the anti vax stuff and exists solely to highlight how horrible the bad guy is because that's taboo as hell.
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FoolyCharged posted:People using fake medicine to hurt instead of heal is a story beat way older than the anti vax stuff and exists solely to highlight how horrible the bad guy is because that's taboo as hell. This, basically. I know it's hard not to view things through the lens if your daily life and culture, but it's a real stretch to get anti vaxxer out of this.
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I'm going to have to agree with EclecticTastes here, even if the author didn't intend it, this plotline reads exactly like the kind of conspiracy theories antivaxxers love to spout. It's pretty unfortunate, and it really isn't subtle here at all. The argument that it's just tropes used for their own sake, and should be considered only in the context the game provides for them, seems naive at best to me. Someone still wrote this, and that person is no doubt aware of the wider context. And they chose, when creating a fictional world, to have a vaccine that really is harmful (harmful to people's minds, even), and to have the person encouraging vaccination literally be attempting a fascist takeover and brainwashing people. To paraphrase Andrew Gillum's great line about racism, I'm not saying I think the person who wrote this is antivax, but I bet an antivaxxer reading this would be nodding along and thinking the game's on their side. And that, in itself, can be a problem. This is precisely the kind of situation where the concept of Death of the Author is useful: even if the author didn't intentionally put a message there, it can still be there.
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I feel like some of you guys are projecting a bit much, it's uh not a real vaccine. Sometimes a mind control plot is just a mind control plot.
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Explopyro posted:I'm going to have to agree with EclecticTastes here, even if the author didn't intend it, this plotline reads exactly like the kind of conspiracy theories antivaxxers love to spout. It's pretty unfortunate, and it really isn't subtle here at all. Counterpoint, this just proves how Amero-centric your worldview is. You can see this because this is a huge issue to you, focused on an issue on going in your subsection of society. But as Americans often need reminding, they are not the centre of the world and not everything is about them. The thing about Death of the Author is that it's ultimately bullshit, you can twist any work to fit your thesis and sound convincing while doing so. Even if that's clearly not the case. If you accept the ability to view this as anti-vaxxer you accept it can be twisted to pro-vaxxer or that the entire story is an allegory for pro-slavery racism or how based are a commendation of how great a slave owner you are, crushing the spirits of your purchased slaves as they realize they can't oppose you. There are enough open horrible things that you don't have to go scraping the barrel to see that viewpoint. Death of the Author is real good at letting you get a mark on an essay but it's kinda a crapshoot for actual discourse and evaluation.
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It's dull and edgy but it's more a generic spooky hypnotism plot, coming from a manufactured/exploited crisis, than it is specifically about the medical aspect
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GeneX posted:It's dull and edgy but it's more a generic spooky hypnotism plot, coming from a manufactured/exploited crisis, than it is specifically about the medical aspect Especially since cultists aren't doctors. Or medical professionals at all. It's a cult preying upon the fear of a population to sell tainted snake oil.
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Onmi posted:Counterpoint, this just proves how Amero-centric your worldview is. You can see this because this is a huge issue to you, focused on an issue on going in your subsection of society. But as Americans often need reminding, they are not the centre of the world and not everything is about them. I find it curious you think the antivax movement is confined to America and is only an American problem. I'll concede the loudest idiots are centred there, and perhaps that it has more widespread support there, but that's about it. For crying out loud, Andrew Wakefield is British. And for better or worse, even if I were to concede it's primarily an American problem, it's a sad fact of life that one of America's primary exports is its culture so it would be unlikely to stay confined. I'm more than willing to acknowledge that Death of the Author has its downsides and is easily misused, but are you really going to say that it doesn't matter if tropes chosen for other reasons combine to form an unfortunate message? It can easily happen by accident, but part of being a responsible content creator is keeping a lookout for things like this (and running your content by people with different perspectives so they can catch things you don't). (My go-to example in defence of Death of the Author is this: Ray Bradbury has said he intended Fahrenheit 451 to be about the evils of television and advertising. While that's a valuable piece of information and can definitely help make sense of some things in it, I doubt the book would still be taught in schools and so on if it weren't for the themes he apparently didn't intend.) In context, yes. This is a Pokemon fangame with a relatively small audience, and I doubt anyone is basing their vaccination decisions on anything in it. That doesn't mean the message isn't there, nor does that make it a good writing decision (cultural artifacts don't exist in a vacuum). In the end, that's all I'm really saying, that I think it's a bad writing decision for various reasons and find it unpleasant. It could definitely be worse. This could be Reborn, after all.
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