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Dommolus Magnus posted:So, a Dutch version of "Henry VIII powers", would that even be constitutional? (I'm assuming that, unlike those silly Brits, you have one of those.) We have a constitution, however our judges are by law not allowed to judge whether or not a law or treaty is constitutional. So...
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Orange Devil posted:We have a constitution, however our judges are by law not allowed to judge whether or not a law or treaty is constitutional.  Who is?
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Jan 27, 2019 18:55
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Is it because this forum is full of US citizens that constituions are lionized? They don't mean a lot. The Spanish one was changed almost in secret, overnight, with zero consultation, last time the priests of austerity demanded a sacrifice. They put the whole idea behind the "stability" and "growth" "pact" in the constitution in an afternoon and hoped no journalist would read the official bulletin. Article 135, 2011 reform if you want to google it. Stop worshipping any constitution. It's a legal text: find willing actors and they will be squarely circumvented.
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Jan 27, 2019 18:59
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Dawncloack posted:Is it because this forum is full of US citizens that constituions are lionized? even the founding fathers knew a constitution alone was worthless, it needs to be backed up with tens of millions of well-armed hero-complex hillbillies
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Jan 27, 2019 19:08
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Yeah, well, in spain it's defended by hordes of formerly middle class people armed with flags hanging from balconies and a very strong crab bucket mentality.
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Jan 27, 2019 19:14
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suck my woke dick posted:
Parliament and the government. When they make laws they should ensure they are constitutional. If they deem their own proposed laws constitutional then there is no other authority who can overrule that. It means we have a really very high-minded constitution which can then get ignored whenever convenient, as such it's a good microcosm of Dutch political culture. Dawncloack posted:Is it because this forum is full of US citizens that constituions are lionized? Yeah this. If there's one thing I could change about the US, well gently caress I wouldn't know what exactly that would be, but "having Americans understand that a constitution is just some words on a piece of paper" would be up on my list for serious consideration.
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Jan 27, 2019 19:38
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Orange Devil posted:Parliament and the government. When they make laws they should ensure they are constitutional. If they deem their own proposed laws constitutional then there is no other authority who can overrule that. Doesn't the monarch have any on-paper authority to reject a law if it's unconstitutional?
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Jan 27, 2019 19:43
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YF-23 posted:Doesn't the monarch have any on-paper authority to reject a law if it's unconstitutional? A law is only a law if the monarch signs it, and I guess technically they could refuse to sign it for any or no reason, but that's the kind of thing that could end the monarchy.
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Jan 27, 2019 20:19
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Dawncloack posted:Is it because this forum is full of US citizens that constituions are lionized? The Spanish constitution also guarantees every citizen a "worthy and proper" living space, and that the government will take measures to ensure this is the case and to prevent real estate speculation. I'll let you guess how that turned out.
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Jan 27, 2019 20:23
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YF-23 posted:Doesn't the monarch have any on-paper authority to reject a law if it's unconstitutional? As the monarch is head of the state, he technically can veto any kind of law at any given time, not only those he considers unconstitutional, simply because he has to sign every single law ever passed and does that under advice of his ministers, that work directly for him. However, since customary law is such a big thing in the UK and not giving out royal assent against the declared will of the monarch's ministers did not happen since 1707, the house of commons and probably even the house of lords would immediately stand up against that. They could simply declare by law (obviously without assent) that this is illegal and they have the only right to pass laws, thus creating a constitutional crisis. This is the main advantage of actually writing your stuff down in a constitution - never fear the rules are here. So this would be quite a mess, but would probably be solved relatively easily by the parliament overwriting the monarch's will. So, as stated before, this would more or less be political suicide of the monarch's unwritten rights and maybe even monarchy itself.
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Jan 27, 2019 20:30
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Dawncloack posted:
Curious, 'cause that's exactly the same way Italy ended up with a balanced budget amendment in the constitution. Negotiated as part of the fiscal compact IIRC, but virtually undiscussed and completely free of hamstrings like 'democratic legitimacy' given that it was passed using the procedure that avoided it going to referendum. Just, it wasn't there, until one day it was, and no-one even talks of re-discussion. No-one even mentions it anymore. Still, makes one think there's a larger design behind this kind of poo poo.
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Jan 27, 2019 20:53
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Slavvy posted:It will never cease to amaze me how much greek people who don't actually live in macedonia give a gently caress about what to call macedonia. It's like someone in michigan getting militant about what Ontario is called. A lot of Greek people live in Macedonia, not the country of course but the region of Macedonia. The second largest city in Greece is in this region.The controversy is over the country using the name that is for a wider region that Greeks consider very culturally important (because Alexander the Great). It's not a random thing. Is it worth molesting a tiny powerless poor country over, and having riots, and giving this level of a crap? NOPE.
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Jan 28, 2019 01:43
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Brexit minus sixty!
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suck my woke dick posted:
Parliament. That's how parliamentarism works. Parliament is the dominant political body. For comparison, what the US has is separation of powers which is a fundamentally different political system wherein court, executive and parliament are equal and can block each other.
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Jan 28, 2019 04:34
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Grape posted:A lot of Greek people live in Macedonia, not the country of course but the region of Macedonia. The second largest city in Greece is in this region.The controversy is over the country using the name that is for a wider region that Greeks consider very culturally important (because Alexander the Great). It's not a random thing. Should also note that this is also an issue of (a lack of) education. The main nationalist slogan is "there is only one Macedonia and it is Greek". When you grew up learning that there's a Greek region called Macedonia, never taught anything about the region except for Alexander's empire and its "liberation" from the Ottomans and the Bulgars, and someone tells you "hey, that slavic country to the north now gets to be called (north) macedonia, and its citizens get to call themselves macedonians" it's only natural for your reaction to be "hey wait what the gently caress?". Because of course, state education seeks to gloss over or minimise historical crimes and inconvenient facts, so the centuries-long presence of slavic populations in the region, and their Hellenisation/linguicide under the auspicies of the Greek state are never going to be taught in school.
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Jan 28, 2019 11:21
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Portugal police and media are now waking up that people carry smartphones around and can film acts of police brutality, which our media is quick to defend as not a case of racism and some as police brutality even. People on talk shows inviting nazis over to discuss racism. Thinks are getting like every elsewhere. There's an antifa march this Friday, but I dunno, the whole moderate voting base seems rotten with the media pumping stories about how the gov is cutting pubic investment in favour of parties who want to slice up all our services.
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Jan 28, 2019 16:34
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So we have a free trade agreement with Japan now. What's some cool stuff we'll be able to buy now? Will asian super markets get cheaper as well?
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Feb 2, 2019 17:44
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mostly anime and toyotas
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Truga posted:mostly anime and toyotas Dont forget katanas, and maybe holo wifes.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:36
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Finally we get fully translated hentai in best quality shipped to our homes. Or maybe some whale? I heard they are good at those.
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Feb 2, 2019 18:43
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The free trade deal will be great for the housing crisis, as now Europeans and the Japanese can comfortably live in their marginally cheaper Toyotas and BMWs
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Will it affect immigration at all?
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Feb 2, 2019 21:15
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It will replenish our strategic reserves of overly-polite tea-drinking left-hand-side-driving island former-empires.
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NihilCredo posted:It will replenish our strategic reserves of overly-polite tea-drinking left-hand-side-driving island former-empires. Yeah our previous one appears to have committed ritual suicide.
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Feb 3, 2019 15:02
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Shibawanko posted:Will it affect immigration at all? There's nothing about free movement of people in that trade deal AFAIK. The whole "four freedoms" thing only come in effect when countries want access to the EU's service market AFAIK. For just goods (and Japan is mostly interested in exporting cars) it's easy to get a deal without the other three freedoms. Though this deal does simplify access to the service market, it's still not a full access. It may increase the number of business travels between Europe and Japan, but it shouldn't have any measurable effect on actual immigration, so it won't make it easier for European weeaboos to go live the dream in Glorious Nihon.
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LOL Belgium is also living in the dumbest timeline. We've been seeing pro-climate protests the last 2 months, including weekly student strikes. The Flemish minister for nature and agriculture (who's doing a poo poo job) was boasting 2 weeks ago how such mass movement strengthens her resolve to work for the climate. Last night she was giving a speech for a group of farmers and claimed that the protests have been organized as part of a conspiracy to damage her, as revenge for the farmer protests of 2003 that cost the Green party the election back then. She even claimed to have been told this by our intelligence agency. She's already said she may have misspoke, as the agency contradicted her soon after. How can politicians be this dumb?
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Cat Mattress posted:There's nothing about free movement of people in that trade deal AFAIK. It's more the other way around for us, my wife wants to move to Europe. Moving to Japan is fairly easy for me but moving to Europe is hard, even if you're married. There was a weird loophole in Dutch immigration law a while ago that let Japanese people get visas without a partner with a high salary or finding a job first, the loophole was based on an old trade treaty between Japan and Holland that everybody'd forgotten about. I was hoping there'd be some clause or something in this new thing that would make it at least slightly easier.
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Shibawanko posted:It's more the other way around for us, my wife wants to move to Europe. Moving to Japan is fairly easy for me but moving to Europe is hard, even if you're married. Don't Holland and Japan go waaay back?
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Yep! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dejima
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nimby posted:How can politicians be this dumb? Our politicians are reacting to plans of a student strike following the Belgian example by citing the law which makes education mandatory and skipping school illegal. One of the biggest crybabies is the leader of the main Christian party, who in the last election was profiling himself with all kinds of idiotic plans to promote Dutchness, such as plans to make it mandatory for all students to visit parliament and the Rijksmuseum during their school career. Now the students are planning to come visit parliament on their own accord and he's throwing a fit. I estimate chances of riot police being deployed against this evil menace within 3 weeks as 50/50.
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Shibawanko posted:It's more the other way around for us, my wife wants to move to Europe. Moving to Japan is fairly easy for me but moving to Europe is hard, even if you're married. So, you're a EU citizen with a Japanese wife? I'm a bit surprised her moving in is hard. The official information site shows it as fairly automatic, you just need to prove that you're married and she can get a visa. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-family/index_en.htm Then after staying a while she can become naturalized citizen of your country (typically 3 to 5 years of stay without long interruptions, and need to know the local language) and eschew the need for renewing visas from then on.
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nimby posted:LOL Belgium is also living in the dumbest timeline. We've been seeing pro-climate protests the last 2 months, including weekly student strikes. The Flemish minister for nature and agriculture (who's doing a poo poo job) was boasting 2 weeks ago how such mass movement strengthens her resolve to work for the climate. Specifically about her, I've heard rumours (read articles in Knack) that basically claim that Schauvliege's simply a figurehead and the real policy decisions are made by her cabinet chief. Fun detail, the deputy cabinet chief was put on non-active duty in november because he bypassed the environmental protection inspection in favour of an oil importer. He was put back on active duty a month later. She's such a good environmental minister.
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double nine posted:Specifically about her, I've heard rumours (read articles in Knack) that basically claim that Schauvliege's simply a figurehead and the real policy decisions are made by her cabinet chief. Fun detail, the deputy cabinet chief was put on non-active duty in november because he bypassed the environmental protection inspection in favour of an oil importer. She's minister for agriculture, the rest of her title's for show
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Orange Devil posted:Our politicians are reacting to plans of a student strike following the Belgian example by citing the law which makes education mandatory and skipping school illegal. The absolute worst is seeing the scum broadcasting things like "she's just a kid, not an expert so why should we listen PS did you know she's autistic PSPS we heard she got depression sometimes makes u think" like 
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Grillfiend posted:She's minister for agriculture, the rest of her title's for show oh I know, but I still expected them to be somewhat competent at pretending to care about the other thing.
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double nine posted:oh I know, but I still expected them to be somewhat competent at pretending to care about the other thing. Her cabinet released a map of forested areas in Flanders that counted mansions as forest, cause they have trees.
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nimby posted:Her cabinet released a map of forested areas in Flanders that counted mansions as forest, cause they have trees. Oh my God is that for real? Did anyone notice or complain about it? Might be onto a setup to stop deforestation here.
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Lambert posted:Austria lowered the voting age to 16 a few years back. My German's not that good but I think this means "young people with or without a poo poo life"? Seems like a fairly stark designation if that's the right translation lol.  Anyway it seems to indicate that youth lean away from the fash. e: oh it's based on their own perception of their life? I guess that's bad then. breadshaped fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Feb 5, 2019 |
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The question asked was about the future development of Austria, whether young people will have it better than their parents. junge Generation wird eher besser leben = young generation will have a better life junge Generation wird eher schlechter leben = young generation will have a worse life junge Generation wird gleich gut leben = young generation will have it about as good as their parents This is the graph you're looking for (note that it doesn't include smaller parties). The threshold is at 4%. ÖVP is center right, FPÖ is populist right, SPÖ is center left, Neos are neoliberals, Pilz is a split off the green party (Grüne).  Election result for comparison: 
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edit: yeah what Lambert says, even with better graphs.Bedshaped posted:My German's not that good but I think this means "young people with or without a poo poo life"? Seems like a fairly stark designation if that's the right translation lol. It says "Electoral behavior in perspective of the expected future development in Austria" With the three bars going with "young generation will have a better life", "young generation will have a worse life" and "young generation's life will be as good as it's now". It means that if they expect their life to be improved, they will stick to the social democratic party (SPÖ) and the conservative party (ÖVP) plus some smaller parties, similar outcome if their life is not expected to change, only with the right wing populists (FPÖ) being stronger. Only if they expect their life to become worse (middle bar) they go to elect the right wing en mass, reducing the SPÖ drastically and the ÖVP taking nasty hits. Those statistics exist in similar fashion in various European country. As soon as you believe your life will turn to poo poo, you elect those that say Trump-y stuff, if you don't you rather stick to the status quo. Goons Are Gifts fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Feb 5, 2019 |
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