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https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-62-sanitizing-our-settler-colonial-past-with-nation-of-immigrants-rhetoric this podcast is rly good, i remember being cyber bullied in here a couple of years ago for making some of these arguments
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Feb 2, 2019 06:30
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yeah the argument that "the melting pot" as an idea is racist is pretty common
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Feb 2, 2019 07:11
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i did not listen to the podcast though
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Feb 2, 2019 07:11
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your m8 adam johnson nyc is on there
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Feb 2, 2019 07:12
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now im definitely not
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Feb 2, 2019 07:29
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hes good
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Feb 2, 2019 08:08
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Berke Negri posted:yeah the argument that "the melting pot" as an idea is racist is pretty common What do they discuss? I could listen to it later.
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Feb 2, 2019 08:32
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Berke Negri posted:i did not listen to the podcast though it's like npr's on the media if npr wasn't complete poo poo
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Feb 2, 2019 08:48
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47063973 Looks like the Americans used to be all about fighting global warming.
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Feb 2, 2019 08:56
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Pirate Radar posted:What do they discuss? I could listen to it later. the melting pot's white supremacist origins, amerikan colonialism, etc
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Feb 2, 2019 08:57
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Randler posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47063973 hmm they do make a good case for white genocide
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Feb 2, 2019 09:06
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Pirate Radar posted:What do they discuss? I could listen to it later. Berke Negri posted:i did not listen to the podcast though but at least for melting pot the goal is assimilation towards a sort of (white coded) American identity the kind of classical example of this being liberal favorite teddy roosevelts bit on it quote:“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American … There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag … We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” so the problems with this is obviously assimilation as a goal but the unsaid thing is that it is also a trap because no immigrant will ever fully satisfy the conditions because they will be ever shifting (there is no "American values" codified anywhere but in the eye of the beholder which is usually white and even for whites this can be stripped in different ways when needed) no clue what the podcast talks about but that's pretty 101 above so I'm guessing it's more modern inclusionary language while not transparently assimilationists like above can still echo the same sentiments (we want SKILLED immigrants that can contribute to America, etc)
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Feb 2, 2019 09:08
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Randler posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47063973 im the implication made by the author that russia is the most modern country
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Feb 2, 2019 09:16
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Berke Negri posted:but at least for melting pot the goal is assimilation towards a sort of (white coded) American identity Yeah that’s 101 so I was curious what they bring up, if there’s anything past that stuff, how they present it (more didactic, or talking to immigrants about their experiences, or what have you). I might listen tonight to see what it’s like.
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Feb 2, 2019 09:39
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“The United States is a nation of immigrants.” It’s a phrase we hear constantly – often said with the best of intentions and, in today’s increasingly cruel environment, meant as a strong rebuke of Donald Trump and his white nationalist administration. The metaphor of the “melting pot” serves a similar purpose: the United States is strong and noble because we are a place that takes people in from across the globe, an inclusive, welcoming, compassionate in-gathering of humanity - e pluribus unum - "out of many, one." It’s a romantic idea – and often evoked as a counter to xenophobic, anti-immigrant rhetoric. But how historically accurate are these phrases and the national narratives they entrench? And what if, instead of combating white nationalism, they subtly promote it? On this episode, we dissect the notion that the United States is simply a rainbow collection of disparate groups coming together and breakdown how, in many ways, this absolves us of our past and present as a violent, white-settler colony. Our guest is historian Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz.
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Feb 2, 2019 09:47
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cinci zoo sniper posted:im the implication made by the author that russia is the most modern country They're the bulwark against the insidious Georgian menace; of course they're the most modern.
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Feb 2, 2019 09:49
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pikachode posted:
https://www.calflora.org/cgi-bin/species_query.cgi?where-calrecnum=3534
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Feb 2, 2019 09:59
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Pirate Radar posted:Yeah that’s 101 so I was curious what they bring up, if there’s anything past that stuff, how they present it (more didactic, or talking to immigrants about their experiences, or what have you). I might listen tonight to see what it’s like. yeah I'm guessing it'd be a study in advanced racisms
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Feb 2, 2019 10:12
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the whole system is only racist in it's construction so there's a lot to mine the first real hard immigration legislation is from 1882 and called the Chinese Exclusion Act so like there were some stipulations on who could become a citizen from other countries before then but actually codifying who can come in and be kicked out it really starts there Berke Negri fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Feb 2, 2019 |
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Feb 2, 2019 10:24
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lol turns out it's white supremacy to say we're a nation of immigrants to promote immigration in tyool 2019 when the overwhelming immigration issue in the us pertains to mexicans seeking a better life. i swear if some people didn't have their seething hatred of liberals to cling to, they'd have nothing at all
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Feb 2, 2019 12:09
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shut the gently caress up volkerball it's actually central americans seeking a better life by 2019
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Feb 2, 2019 12:13
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they're from those little dots south of mexico if you swap your google map west of the MENA region for a second
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Feb 2, 2019 12:15
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America isn't a Nation, it's a racket.
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Feb 2, 2019 12:20
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Berke Negri posted:they're from those little dots south of mexico if you swap your google map west of the MENA region for a second i know where they are, they all got that pensionado poo poo going on. those immigrants pass all the old white people tryin to live large on a social security check going the other way.
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Feb 2, 2019 12:33
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only pass all the the old white people checks im seeing is jesus christ gently caress me are you for real
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Feb 2, 2019 12:56
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you're on some of that jagerdewster bullshit again aren't you
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Feb 2, 2019 13:04
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eat poo poo vb
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Feb 2, 2019 13:09
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Berke Negri posted:only pass all the the old white people checks im seeing is jesus christ gently caress me are you for real hes talking about snowbirds what are you complaining about
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Feb 2, 2019 18:24
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https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1091793217895436290?s=19 day is going pretty well
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Feb 2, 2019 22:23
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gov northam once again proving virginians are the dumbest people on earth thanks and god bless
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Feb 2, 2019 23:09
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Berke Negri posted:https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1091793217895436290?s=19 how is he explaining apologizing for being in the photo previously if he isn't actually in the photo?
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Feb 2, 2019 23:42
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:how is he explaining apologizing for being in the photo previously if he isn't actually in the photo? he was thinking of this other time he did blackface that totally uncool still but a costume contest https://twitter.com/13AdrianaDeAlba/status/1091826263810076672
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Feb 2, 2019 23:44
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lol i was not expecting that, globulus is one of our most beloved trees and a loving pain in the rear end to propagate, i'm glad it's found its own home in the melting pot
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Feb 3, 2019 01:21
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Berke Negri posted:eat poo poo vb
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Feb 3, 2019 01:22
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i'm happy to see our glorious trees taking over america. we're doing our best to gently caress everything over down south but we don't understand just how resilient nature is
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Feb 3, 2019 01:28
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working in ecology over the next 40-50 years is going to be loving insane and i'm pumped for it
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Feb 3, 2019 01:29
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pikachode posted:lol i was not expecting that, globulus is one of our most beloved trees and a loving pain in the rear end to propagate, i'm glad it's found its own home in the melting pot it's not too prevalent in southern california (i hear it can be a different story up north) but a bunch of really robust ones are in a project site and they refuse to die
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Feb 3, 2019 01:33
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https://twitter.com/roqchams/status/1091863552632053760
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Feb 3, 2019 01:59
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The Muppets On PCP posted:gov northam once again proving virginians are the dumbest people on earth thanks and god bless Ohio still exists.
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Feb 3, 2019 02:39
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Furnaceface posted:Ohio still exists. Indiana too.
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Feb 3, 2019 09:34
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