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Bonaventure posted:exactly I don't want to be rude, seriously, but this sort of behaviour is kinda dumb--or at least passive aggressive. If you think someone's read of Star Wars is wrong, say your peace and be done with it instead of sniping from the rafters I dunno, you do you
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Question Friend posted:The leak says it ends with Kylo dead, Lando in possession of the Falcon, Rey training a new generation of jedis and a few mysteries set up to be solved in a later trilogy lol they didnt even solve any of the "mysteries" from this trilogy
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Feb 3, 2019 21:11
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It's hard to believe they would be stupid enough to have ken die and rey live. But I guess all else is debased before JJ's deep need to remake return of the jedi
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Feb 3, 2019 21:14
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piratepilates posted:were the prequels born out of a context of the GWB presidency? only the third one was developed while he was in office. I was like 9 at this time so I can't remember politics first-hand, was GWB's rise to power while he was a governor an influential enough event to have inspired george lucas? Attack of the Clones came out in 2002... Anyway to reiterate: Droids are doges. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4KFR_j8Eew
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piratepilates posted:were the prequels born out of a context of the GWB presidency? only the third one was developed while he was in office. I was like 9 at this time so I can't remember politics first-hand, was GWB's rise to power while he was a governor an influential enough event to have inspired george lucas? I honestly don’t know. I kind of feel like they were but I haven’t really done the work here and may be talking out of my rear end. But the point is, whether they were or weren’t is not itself the point - it’s a fun question to answer in its own right but doesn’t help us to understand what’s going on in the movies.
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Feb 3, 2019 21:16
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porfiria posted:Attack of the Clones came out in 2002... quote:Development of Attack of the Clones began in March 2000, some months after the release of The Phantom Menace. By June 2000, Lucas and Hales completed a draft of the script and principal photography took place from June to September 2000. as far as I can tell the movie would have been written and started shooting in the run up to the election. post production during the final days of the election, and through 9/11, and the movie being released in 2002, halfway through GWB's first term Ferrinus posted:I honestly don’t know. I kind of feel like they were but I haven’t really done the work here and may be talking out of my rear end. But the point is, whether they were or weren’t is not itself the point - it’s a fun question to answer in its own right but doesn’t help us to understand what’s going on in the movies. they definitely parallel how people look back on GWB's presidency. I don't think george lucas intentionally writing it on that basis has a bearing on the similarity between them. I do wonder though if it was random coindence, or whether GWB had enough of an effect to influence the development of the movies. its a weird trilogy that was created half in a pre-9/11 world and half in a post-9/11 world. the narrative of palpatine amassing power in response to a terrorist attack, and domestic fears out a brewing war, is set up in AOTC. written before 9/11 and GWB being elected, and being released right after. I wonder how AOTC and especially ROTS would have turned out differently if al gore had won, how would the text read differently in that parallel universe. I suppose that would basically be writing al gore-as-president fan fiction and slipping in star wars references. piratepilates fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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Phantom Menace was 1999 and skewered liberal ‘end of history’ ideology. The subsequent films incorporated some war on terror stuff, but that’s somewhat overblown by people who shy away from the anticapitalist themes. It’s not that liberal capitalist democracy is bad, they say. It’s just been corrupted by an outside force. American democrats (for example) are always eager to label their latest republican opponent a Palpatine, but the point of the films is that Palpatine merely makes use of what is given to him by people like Padme. This is why Cnut has written hundreds of pages in a futile effort to cover up the fact that Padme owned slaves.
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Feb 3, 2019 22:11
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piratepilates posted:were the prequels born out of a context of the GWB presidency? only the third one was developed while he was in office. I was like 9 at this time so I can't remember politics first-hand, was GWB's rise to power while he was a governor an influential enough event to have inspired george lucas? It was called something like "backslapping with the force" or something like that?
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Feb 3, 2019 22:27
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This sounds dumb but this thread has made me a better person and thinker and I like movies more than ever. Thank you
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The prequels don't really need to be born out of context of the George W. Bush presidency. He isn't the first president to display seriously disturbing government overreach.
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Feb 3, 2019 22:49
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I don't take anyone's literary criticism seriously unless they show me a good story they wrote, and the only poster ITT who's done that is SuperMechagodzilla with his Sonic fanfic
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Feb 3, 2019 23:39
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euphronius posted:This sounds dumb but this thread has made me a better person and thinker and I like movies more than ever. Thank you I hate movies even more after this thread
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Feb 3, 2019 23:42
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I said come in! posted:The prequels don't really need to be born out of context of the George W. Bush presidency. He isn't the first president to display seriously disturbing government overreach. Yeah the tradition Palpatine is based on goes back literally two thousand years. Although it was a neat coincidence that Dubya was in office at the same time
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Feb 3, 2019 23:43
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CelticPredator posted:I hate movies even more after this thread Not only that but this thread made me dumber than I already was before I started reading it.
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Question Friend posted:I don't take anyone's literary criticism seriously unless they show me a good story they wrote, and the only poster ITT who's done that is SuperMechagodzilla with his Sonic fanfic https://genius.com/John-cheever-reunion-annotated
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I said come in! posted:Not only that but this thread made me dumber than I already was before I started reading it. I must have started really dumb then
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I recall that Lucas mentioned that Nixon (amongst other people) was a major influence in Palpatine's characterization, and the W administration was predominantly composed of Nixon alumni, so it's a sense of both sides drawing form the same source material. Given that this also comes from a guy who named the villain in the first prequel Newt Reagan, and the villain in the second a secessionist, it's pretty reasonable to say that they are coded republican. But the films are clearly critical of the republic as an institution, and pretty much every component in its downfall is borne in some manner from it's failings, so SMG is right that an overfocus on that is mostly an attempt by liberals to avoid a reading that is inconvenient to their own ideology.
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Arkhams Razor posted:I recall that Lucas mentioned that Nixon (amongst other people) was a major influence in Palpatine's characterization, and the W administration was predominantly composed of Nixon alumni, so it's a sense of both sides drawing form the same source material. Given that this also comes from a guy who named the villain in the first prequel Newt Reagan, and the villain in the second a secessionist, it's pretty reasonable to say that they are coded republican. But the films are clearly critical of the republic as an institution, and pretty much every component in its downfall is borne in some manner from it's failings, so SMG is right that an overfocus on that is mostly an attempt by liberals to avoid a reading that is inconvenient to their own ideology. I'm sad we never got Star Wars Dick Armey.
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Taking goony/SMG-style Star Wars ideas seriously wouldn't make you stupid but it would give you schizophrenia
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Question Friend posted:Taking goony/SMG-style Star Wars ideas seriously wouldn't make you stupid but it would give you schizophrenia having opinions about a movie makes you mentally ill? what a strange thing to say
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Bonaventure posted:I find it disappointing that no-one responded to this post in another thread, which is relevant: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3879338#post491554212 The "Death of the Author" does not mean that all readings are equally valid or that the author isn't a person. What is being critiqued is The Author figure, which is a very specific concept. Bonaventure posted:lol you're the one who needs to re-read it. SMG pointed this out, but what Barthes is criticizing here is the idea that the truth of a text can objectively be found and end in an author's particular coordinate in society, history etc.. But this objective end is ideological, you are not actually perceiving the art through the author, but yourself through the author, and then the art. What he is trying to pinpoint is the center of the actualization process of art qua art that renders the raw data coherent. The post you reference does not contradict this: "The strongest form of anti-intentionalism you'll usually find is something like (and I'm being very reductive here) how one interprets a work irrespective of intentions is going to be what determines the best way to understand the intentions behind the work. So you kind of determine the meaning irrespective of intentions... but still need to make use of intentions to say that what you're talking about is "meaning." What is important to recognize is that any intention you ascribe, where the rubber hits the road, will irreducibly be a negative unity that occurs in the reader. It does not mean that if I read Latin American literature then I cannot use my knowledge of Latin America to support my reading. What I cannot do is pretend if my knowledge of Latin America gives me an objective view of the work. This is important to consider because otherwise you may not notice perceived contradictions which are actually occurring in you. Barthes posted:We know now that a text is not a line of words releasing a single 'theological' meaning (the 'message' of the Author-God) but a multi-dimensional space in which a variety of writings, none of them original, blend and clash. The text is a tissue of quotations drawn from the innumerable centres of culture. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Feb 4, 2019 |
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I said come in! posted:The prequels don't really need to be born out of context of the George W. Bush presidency. He isn't the first president to display seriously disturbing government overreach. George W. Bush is Vader, and Dick Cheney is Palpatine.
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Feb 4, 2019 01:41
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Palpatine is Trump. Vader is Steve Bannon.
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Slutitution posted:George W. Bush is Vader, and Dick Cheney is Palpatine. After just watching Vice the other week, I agree with this.
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Brother Entropy posted:having opinions about a movie makes you mentally ill? what a strange thing to say Yeah that would be a strange thing to say
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piratepilates posted:as far as I can tell the movie would have been written and started shooting in the run up to the election. post production during the final days of the election, and through 9/11, and the movie being released in 2002, halfway through GWB's first term George Lucas is smart as hell
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No Mods No Masters posted:It's hard to believe they would be stupid enough to have ken die and rey live. But I guess all else is debased before JJ's deep need to remake return of the jedi Supposedly they also want to get away of the Skywalker legacy.
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piratepilates posted:were the prequels born out of a context of the GWB presidency? only the third one was developed while he was in office. I was like 9 at this time so I can't remember politics first-hand, was GWB's rise to power while he was a governor an influential enough event to have inspired george lucas? When Anakin says "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy", a lot of people at the time responded with "ugh, please keep politics out of the Star Wars movie", since GWB had recently told all nations on Earth that they are either with the US or they are with the terrorists. But GWB's rise to presidency has little similarity to anything in the prequels. GWB won (well, theoretically) because he was a quintessentially 90s "Get a load of this Al Gore fella lmao" kind of guy that "you could have a beer with", and a born-again Christian that appealed to that particularly disastrous voting block. Not because he was going to deal with any particular problem. His rise to power while in office mirrors a lot of events in the prequels, which is why people felt that particular quote was too on the nose, but this is coincidental. Ambitious people co-opting a crisis to grant themselves more power at the expense of freedom and democracy for everyone else keeps happening throughout history, which is what Lucas wanted to point out. That it happened again literally as he was writing the movies was probably an interesting experience for him though. His warnings came increasingly too late and were finally dismissed as "too political".
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George W. Bush is Trump.
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George W. Bush created Trump. He is his father. Trump's campaign would have been a disaster in the 90s.
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It’s good to keep in mind that Attack Of The Clones is dealing in Starship Troopers references, and that film adaptation was 1997. The Geonosians also ‘come out of the goddamn walls’ as a reference to Aliens, from 1986. The terror wars aren’t the first big American misadventures, and the point of those films is that they won’t be the last - it keeps happening.
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Iger has one of his quarterly calls with investors this afternoon, might get some Star Wars news in a few hours. Title release, maybe?
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Feb 5, 2019 20:12
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I'm hearing the teaser is 20 seconds of Oscar Isaac flexing his buns
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Feb 5, 2019 20:28
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Ingmar terdman posted:I'm hearing the teaser is 20 seconds of Oscar Isaac flexing his buns They really should go full Zap Brannigan with him but why commit to character
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Nothing Star Wars from Iger today that I've seen, the only semi-relevant thing was that they would still release R-rated Marvel movies after the Fox takeover.
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That doesn't really seem relevant for Star wars discussion, unless they were planning an R-rated movie about Pig Fisto.
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The Benioff and Weiss movie series is going to be wild I tell you, wild.
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Right, it’s because Lucas pulled from history that the the films are not constrained to being interpreted within the creator’s liberal ideology.
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Can't say I expected this to be the title of IX but I'm here for it https://twitter.com/ILMxLAB/status/1093201279659040768
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