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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Well, that was a terrific sendoff. Honest to god the whole thing was amazing for one man's work.

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MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
New page. Needs a repost.
HELSREACH Part 13 - FINALE - A Warhammer 40k Story - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyx-uwWc3_s

:supaburn:

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

After sleeping on it, I kinda wish he had included the full conversation between Grimaldus and Nerovar, in which the latter strikes the former. It was an important character development point, especially how the strike mirrors the one he got at the start of the book from the high marshal.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
That would have been nice.

I really liked this moment after his scene where he says humans are a mystery to him and being informed that his waifu titan has fallen.



Same, Grimaldus. :hai:

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

As good as Helsreach was I am more excited for Astartes after that part 3 release.

Seriously though, that was a great ending for Helsreach. I'm glad GW hired that dude.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

What did Zarha say right before the Gargant tore Stormheralds head off? I couldn't quite make it out.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

AndyElusive posted:

What did Zarha say right before the Gargant tore Stormheralds head off? I couldn't quite make it out.

I heard, "Grimaldus. I stood until the end. As promised."
I'll have to give it a second watch to be sure tho.

The Mechanicus death cannon rolling up emblazoned with skull and cog emblems, avenging Zarha tho. :black101:

MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Feb 2, 2019

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

The Horus Heresy weekender is going on and I really want to get my hands on the exclusive anthology. A DA story about the Rangdan Xenocide by Chris Wraight?!?

https://twitter.com/blacklibrarium/status/1091399950204837888?s=19

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Opinions on the Horusian Wars and the Teclis & Tyrion books?

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Azran posted:

Opinions on the Horusian Wars and the Teclis & Tyrion books?

I really enjoyed the Horusian Wars. Definitely worth picking up imo

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce
Curious to see if anyone else had the same problem that I had with the Shira Calpurnia series - I loved the first book, was pretty happy with the second one, and I feel like I just can’t get a handle on the third at all. It feels like a trudge to get through and none of the characters really stick in my mind. There was a big reveal about one of them and it didn’t really stick for me because I couldn’t give a poo poo about them.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
I only read the second and third, and while the second was great the third was a slog. Way too much time is spent on the plots and sub-plots and counter-plots of the various people in the thing so it gets to the point where I legit do not remember WTF the point of the story was and what actually happened other than "she turns up in disgrace, solves the murder, goes to face judgement".

bango skank
Jan 15, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I'm almost done with the Anarch and one thing that's stood out to me, has Pasha always spoken in broken english? I've read all the other books at least twice and I never noticed it before this one.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

bango skank posted:

I'm almost done with the Anarch and one thing that's stood out to me, has Pasha always spoken in broken english? I've read all the other books at least twice and I never noticed it before this one.

Pasha's dialogue in Warmaster is what finally made it click for me that the Verghastites are space Russians from planet Stalingrad and not a bunch of pissed off Yorkshiremen from the north of England.

Lead Psychiatry
Dec 22, 2004

I wonder if a soldier ever does mend a bullet hole in his coat?

PantsOptional posted:

Curious to see if anyone else had the same problem that I had with the Shira Calpurnia series - I loved the first book, was pretty happy with the second one, and I feel like I just can’t get a handle on the third at all. It feels like a trudge to get through and none of the characters really stick in my mind. There was a big reveal about one of them and it didn’t really stick for me because I couldn’t give a poo poo about them.

Same. I know it dealt with some monastery for psykers but beyond that can't remember much about it at all.

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
I remember back when I first Necropolis I couldn't stop myself from chuckling whenever I read 'Verghast', phonetically it sounds almost exactly like 'cocks' (with a T at the end) in my Spanish dialect. Thanks for reminding me :v: I should re-read Necropolis.

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010

Arcsquad12 posted:

Pasha's dialogue in Warmaster is what finally made it click for me that the Verghastites are space Russians from planet Stalingrad and not a bunch of pissed off Yorkshiremen from the north of England.

Yeah same, she's the only one where it really comes across.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Thinking of grabbing Dark Imperium as my next audio book, but it's my first one read by John Banks, and the audio excerpt kinda throws me off a bit regarding his voice. It's straight-up narrative, so nothing showing his actual voice acting. Doesn't seem on the level with Keeble or Longworth, but is he any good overall?

/edit:
More importantly - I guess - is the book any good? I wanted to get into the whole Bobby-G returning arc, but if the book's just mediocre, I'll probably grab Lords of Silence after all despite already having the ebook.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



PantsOptional posted:

Curious to see if anyone else had the same problem that I had with the Shira Calpurnia series - I loved the first book, was pretty happy with the second one, and I feel like I just can’t get a handle on the third at all. It feels like a trudge to get through and none of the characters really stick in my mind. There was a big reveal about one of them and it didn’t really stick for me because I couldn’t give a poo poo about them.

I wasn't a big fan of the first one, it felt like it was very padded with minor minutiae and chapters of "Here is Calpurnia having to deal with the planet's oh-so-silly customs and not liking it!". The second one felt like much more of an improvement, except it focuses more on the rogue traders than it does the arbites side of things, and the third one I enjoyed, except that you never get any actual closure on Calpurnia's story.

Plavski
Feb 1, 2006

I could be a revolutionary

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Thinking of grabbing Dark Imperium as my next audio book, but it's my first one read by John Banks, and the audio excerpt kinda throws me off a bit regarding his voice. It's straight-up narrative, so nothing showing his actual voice acting. Doesn't seem on the level with Keeble or Longworth, but is he any good overall?

/edit:
More importantly - I guess - is the book any good? I wanted to get into the whole Bobby-G returning arc, but if the book's just mediocre, I'll probably grab Lords of Silence after all despite already having the ebook.

I like Banks alot. He's very good overall, though not at the Keeble level. I've never had a problem with him and I've spent 40+ hours listening to him at this point.

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

The second Space Sharks book was good.

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Thinking of grabbing Dark Imperium as my next audio book, but it's my first one read by John Banks, and the audio excerpt kinda throws me off a bit regarding his voice. It's straight-up narrative, so nothing showing his actual voice acting. Doesn't seem on the level with Keeble or Longworth, but is he any good overall?

/edit:
More importantly - I guess - is the book any good? I wanted to get into the whole Bobby-G returning arc, but if the book's just mediocre, I'll probably grab Lords of Silence after all despite already having the ebook.

The parts with Guilliman in Dark Imperium were neat but most of the scenes with him take place long after his return. It more mentions in passing some of the reformations he had enacted when he woke up and during the Indomitus Crusade. The bits with the Primaris Marines felt a little tacked on but I haven't read Plague War and don't know if it was setting something up.

I had fun with it.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Plavski posted:

I like Banks alot. He's very good overall, though not at the Keeble level. I've never had a problem with him and I've spent 40+ hours listening to him at this point.

That's pretty much exactly what I was hoping to hear, cheers. Not expecting him to be on the same level as Keebler or Longworth, but if he does a good job, I'm fine with it.

/edit:

Also, sup Tomi

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

I though Dark Imperium was pretty terrible personally. Just felt like bolter porn, didn't have anything to really elevate it above your average 40k cheese.

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010

Guyver posted:

The second Space Sharks book was good.

If you have read Red Tithe, how would you compare them in quality? Red Tithe is probably at my limit for how bad a book I can take to get my 40k fix.

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

I liked Red Tithe and I'd say they're about the same. The space shark chapter master climbing into the tyranid boarding leach thing to kill it from the inside was pretty cool.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Did he board the ship through its anus? This is important.

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

I'm sure there were several sphincters involved.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Biff whooped.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
Holy poo poo, Elucidium was really loving good. Pain in the rear end to find though.

susan
Jan 14, 2013

Randalor posted:

I wasn't a big fan of the first one, it felt like it was very padded with minor minutiae and chapters of "Here is Calpurnia having to deal with the planet's oh-so-silly customs and not liking it!". The second one felt like much more of an improvement, except it focuses more on the rogue traders than it does the arbites side of things, and the third one I enjoyed, except that you never get any actual closure on Calpurnia's story.

Slogged through the Calpurnia books last year, 'slog' being the operative word. I think I agree with the general consensus that the second book was the best of the trilogy, and I would like to point out that that may be largely because Calpurnia herself is basically a side character in that book with no impact on the overall plot. Also, the second book was a fairly straightforward story (well... as straightforward as you get when a Trader Charter is up for grabs...) while books 1 and 3 are mysteries, and not just mysteries, but ones with exceptional Red Herring counts and dangling plot threads and antagonists that barely exist in the book up to when the curtain is revealed. On a side note for the books, I could never, ever get over the way the Author would have multiple character thoughts and texts and actions layered over eachother in single paragraphs. That made for some abrasive and confusing reading, which of course didn't help with the poorly planned mysteries and overly purple descriptive prose.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I really appreciate how Helsreach (the novel) portrays Helbrecht as being a flawed but ultimately well meaning person. He leads the angriest angry marines in the whole galaxy and yet he still makes mistakes or misjudges the desires of his men, but they still follow him because he has earned their respect. He doesn't get much time in the book, but what is there is very good.

I don't know if many of you watch Lindsay Ellis's video essays, but she recently did a video on the rise and fall of "invasion movies" by comparing Independence Day and The War of the Worlds. I wonder how well a big budget Helsreach would perform in today's climate, given that it is pretty much THE invasion book in 40K.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Feb 4, 2019

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Pulled the trigger on Lords of Silence instead of dark imperium as the next audio book, and Jonathan banks really is loving solid.

Maybe it's because the book is that drat good, but the dude is a perfect fit for this.

Relatedly, im enjoying the hell pit of this book, and I'm only two hours in. It's pretty much everything I wanted from a story about Nurgle worshippers.

The "little lords" are so drat :shobon:

hopterque
Mar 9, 2007

     sup
its pretty impressive that Wraight managed to make the incredibly vile and disgusting and vicious nurglings likeable, like a very weird type of cat.

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?

Arcsquad12 posted:

I really appreciate how Helsreach (the novel) portrays Helbrecht as being a flawed but ultimately well meaning person. He leads the angriest angry marines in the whole galaxy and yet he still makes mistakes or misjudges the desires of his men, but they still follow him because he has earned their respect. He doesn't get much time in the book, but what is there is very good.

I don't know if many of you watch Lindsay Ellis's video essays, but she recently did a video on the rise and fall of "invasion movies" by comparing Independence Day and The War of the Worlds. I wonder how well a big budget Helsreach would perform in today's climate, given that it is pretty much THE invasion book in 40K.

Oh hey I missed that video for some reason. When I watched her video about fascist ideology and the way Disney merchandises the First Order/Stormtroopers in general I couldn't stop thinking about 40k, so good to know I'll relive that experience! :v:

One thing I liked about The Emperor's Gift and Hellsreach was the lengths it went to to make Space Marines relatable and at times flawed. What else is there in that style?

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Azran posted:

One thing I liked about The Emperor's Gift and Hellsreach was the lengths it went to to make Space Marines relatable and at times flawed. What else is there in that style?

Aaron Dembski Bowden is pretty good at this, his Night Lord's trilogy is really good.

Metalshark
Feb 4, 2013

The seagull is essential.
My favourite development from Anarch was definitely Merity joining Gaunt's ad-hoc retinue and also her budding friendship with Commissar Fazekial. :3:

Really enjoyed Anarch throughout, even if I can see some criticisms such as Mkoll once again being cut off and taking out the enemy leader, but I'm just so pumped that Milo came back that I don't really mind. Guess Mkoll's just that badass. :black101:
The Dalin reveal I can also see as cheap, but so long as poor Tona gets an interesting arc out of it (man, first Caffran, now this), I think it's worthwhile and Gol dying was pretty drat shocking.

What's people's read on Fazekial's non-neurotypical behaviour btw? Is she autistic, (obsessive?) compulsive, or kinda both? I really enjoyed seeing her get pushed outside her comfort zone further than ever before, she's a really fascinating character to me, but I'm also glad that she isn't portrayed as utterly alone and weird.

The excerpt of Honourbound seemed solid, so I'll be curious to hear how the book is when it releases, but I've been out of the BL loop (Abnett aside) for a long while. Is Execution good?

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/quick-reads/execution-eshort.html

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Azran posted:

One thing I liked about The Emperor's Gift and Hellsreach was the lengths it went to to make Space Marines relatable and at times flawed. What else is there in that style?

Believe it or not, the Death Guard in Lords of Silence are surprisingly human.

Sure, they're horrible giant rotting plague monsters. But they're a lot more chill than the Word Bearers they run into.

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013

Cessna posted:

Believe it or not, the Death Guard in Lords of Silence are surprisingly human.

Sure, they're horrible giant rotting plague monsters. But they're a lot more chill than the Word Bearers they run into.

Yeah, once you get past the revulsion of being a mess of rot and mould Nurgle is the one god who's gifts actually consistently benefit his followers. No pain, no weariness, no stressing about duty, no daily concerns... just a gradual slide into the chill of accepting the inevitable and knowing that nothing can touch you anymore. Death Guard were perfect for it because they didn't care about glory, shiny armour and banners. They can finally accept their place as the unglamorous slogger they were literally bred to be.

True, it's a disgusting path and less enticing than the glory of war, promise of power or lure of sensation - but you know what you're getting. It shows how good that book is that you actually "get" why anyone would choose Nurgle.

'cus when your pretty flesh wastes away, your little pile of skulls rots to dust and all your books of knowledge are eaten by worms Nurgle will still be here as strong as ever :)

And they get cats. Disgusting, pestilent, pulsating cats, but... THEY GET CATS

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Anybody heard anything about BL unfucking the audiobook pipeline?

My Audible credits are starting to mount up.

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bango skank
Jan 15, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Finished Anarch today. Overall the book felt more like a direct sequel to the previous than any other in the series. I guess, considering the circumstances under which they were written, Warmaster and Anarch feeling more like parts one and two of a single story makes sense though.

Not sure how I feel about both the Kolea kids being secret weapons the whole time. Criid was with them literally from the moment their mother died at the train station, so dunno when they could have been swapped or made into woe machines. It could have happened at some point during the Vervunhive siege while Criid was off scavenging food for them or something, but it would have to be around then since they're supposed to be Asphodel's creations and he dies at the end of the siege. I hosed up and moused over a spoiler out of habit before I got the book and all I read was "dalin is a woe machine" before I looked away so who knows what my reaction would have been if I had gone into that part thinking it was just Yoncy who was posessed. I also found the Meryn plot didn't really go anywhere, but where else could it have gone that Cuu's story hadn't already covered? I guess Meryn could have gone pheguth and went over to the archenemy but he seemed like too big a coward for that.

On the plus side, the horror section in the undercroft billet was excellent. Only in Death is my favorite in the series because of it's weird horror elements, so it was nice to have a big chunk of the book dedicated to that but turned up to eleven. Mabbon being a secret qimurah who could have escaped or killed any number of high ranking officers at any point was a neat twist. Mkoll's whole story was great and I wouldn't have minded more of that in the book. RIP Holofurnace.

Milo and Mkoll at Orchidel. Sek, his face fingers wiggling.

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