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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Ogmius815 posted:PSA are awesome and listening to Chapo is exactly like reading the Dems are a waste thread. So if you liked that thread then you’ll probably like chapo. PSA is more like the old Trump threads. which part did you find most inspiring, the part where they said "the limit of what you should expect from healthcare is that using it won't bankrupt you" or the part where they told Elizabeth Warren "no, seriously, tell donald trump a test says you're 1/365th native american, then he'll have to stop calling you pocahontas as an insult"
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Re: Bill Gates Early on during the first Lula government in Brazil, the Brazilian government had developed a low cost PC that would run on a version of Linux and cost $250 (which at the time was a bargain for a computer in Brazil) and be purchased by the Brazilian government and distributed to public school students. It was such a no brainer that it was called the "MP do bem," the "good law" essentially. Then microsoft put on a full court press, the project got stuck in limbo for years and went nowhere. Then the 16 impeachment happened and one of the first things to follow was to replace linux in the project with windows, and make it substantially more expensive.
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Feb 6, 2019 07:50
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Perhaps you're not being serious, but there's nothing communist about this vague garbage involving shadowy oligarchs and evil corporations ruining the purity of our democracy. If you're actually taken in by this poo poo you're as credulous as oprah.
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Feb 6, 2019 08:28
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Raskolnikov38 posted:tl;dr: if you're cool and smart you like chapo and if you love to chug poo poo 24 hours a day PSA is the pod for you! 
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Feb 6, 2019 08:47
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Bill Gates's charter schools "philanthropy" runs on a funds matching basis, which is to say: he is actively working to defund public schools. gently caress him.
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Feb 6, 2019 08:58
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Moon Shrimp posted:Perhaps you're not being serious, but there's nothing communist about this vague garbage involving shadowy oligarchs and evil corporations ruining the purity of our democracy. If you're actually taken in by this poo poo you're as credulous as oprah. I mean, I don't know what the gently caress she's talking about but calling billionaires "oligarchs" is something we can all get behind.
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Feb 6, 2019 12:58
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So if I've got yesterday's developments down correctly, Klobuchar is def running, Beto is inching back in and Warren's biggest flaw just went back on the front burner. Not great, but at least Bernie might have his lane to himself. Is there any other prospective lefty who might jump in?
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Feb 6, 2019 13:15
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DynamicSloth posted:, Beto is inching back in That's all he needs to cramp your calves
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Feb 6, 2019 13:18
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PSA is a ‘great’ podcast as a window into the liberals-pretending-to-be-leftists thought process. They’re completely out of touch with the average person (it’s almost comical how clueless they are to their own stations in life), but they’re extremely well-connected to the party. I find it useful listening to keep in mind the limits of what to expect from the dems and their framing often predicts what the party ends up doing. On the recent chapo, one of the dudes said he listens to every episode to ‘see what’s going on’ and that’s basically where I stand on it. It helps me understand where some of my coworkers and extended friends are at, which also helps me talk to them on certain issues. In any event, they’re going to be annoying relevant for the primary because they’re going to be the encapsulation of certain voting constituencies (Harris, especially). edit: it’s also very funny when they’re confronted with bad things from the Obama administration. Lovett (the Jon from the health care clip) got ruined on his show by Melina Abdullah and it was hilarious to listen to. It also sparks comments like this from the FRIENDS OF THE POD: quote:Melina is part of the reason blm doesn’t get more traction. Yes the treatment of black people is poor and we all need to fight to change it but it’s not the only issue in America and I’m sorry but the people you need to persuade (those somewhat center right) are NOT going to listen to your argument the way you state it. No one has ever changed someone’s ideas by jamming something down their throat. Education, sharing and engagement are better than the gently caress you I’m right approach she seems to take. i am the bird fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Feb 6, 2019 14:10
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and her name is T-na
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TheBalor posted:I mean, I don't know what the gently caress she's talking about but calling billionaires "oligarchs" is something we can all get behind.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:21
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So Harris plan yesterday was a gigantic flop. I didn't see or heard of anyone anywhere at all talking about her pre-SOTU response.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:22
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FlamingLiberal posted:I really have trouble caring about this 'scandal' since it seems like she was told when she was younger that she had Native heritage and believed that until she was corrected on it. It's being overblown and she has apologized for misunderstanding it. I don't think finding out that she had many years back claimed that heritage really changes anything since we already know this. Writing "Native American" in the Race box doesn't mean you're "claiming Native American heritage". It means that you, yourself, are personally claiming that you're predominantly Native American. Brony Car posted:
There's no need to buy into the right-wing framing to criticize it. She's appropriating minority identity, and trivializing the struggles they face and the things that make them who they are. Even as she claimed to be more native than white, she showed little to no understanding of Native American issues, did not involve herself with Native communities in any way, and did nothing to address the problems they face even when she became a politician. Regardless of whether she materially benefited from it, the fact remains that she trivialized a minority identity for the sake of making herself feel special.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:24
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Luckyellow posted:So Harris plan yesterday was a gigantic flop. I didn't see or heard of anyone anywhere at all talking about her pre-SOTU response. She's running "against Bernie" and she knows it. She had to do something, a prebuttal just wasn't it.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:25
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theblackw0lf posted:So here's my reaction to this. https://mobile.twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1093009735224315905 https://mobile.twitter.com/politico/status/1092884660558942208 https://mobile.twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1093007267329462272
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Feb 6, 2019 14:35
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I can’t believe Bernie interrupted all of those women.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:06
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i am the bird posted:I can’t believe Bernie interrupted all of those women. The Root posted:Hey, Bernie Sanders Can You STFU After the SOTU and Let Stacey Abrams Shine? The comments are even more anti-Bernie. Seems he still has some resentment attributed to him.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:33
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Coredump posted:The comments are even more anti-Bernie. Seems he still has some resentment attributed to him. So nice of that guy to put wild unsubstantiated bullshit in the first paragraph of his article so you know it’s not worth reading
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Feb 6, 2019 15:35
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We would still be hearing about those goddamned Obama Bros if Hillary had won the 2008 primary and then lost the general election.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:41
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Imagine using Chris Cilizza's opinion as a supporting argument for anything.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:44
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There is a portion of the party that just hates Bernie irrationally and reflexively. It's going to be a problem for him if he gets in.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:46
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Coredump posted:The comments are even more anti-Bernie. Seems he still has some resentment attributed to him. The root is disingenuously anti Bernie. During the ga primaries they claimed that Bernie Bros were behind the Stacy Evans campaign (the white Stacy who did the ad where she face melds into MLK). Except our revolution had already endorsed Abrams, Nina Turner gave a speech during Abrams' campaign launch, and all Bernie affiliated organizations were with her (including Bernie soon after). None of which got mentioned as they claimed it was all a Bernie bro thing.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:51
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Verus posted:We would still be hearing about those goddamned Obama Bros if Hillary had won the 2008 primary and then lost the general election. Excuse me, but they were the Obama Boys.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:52
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mcmagic posted:There is a portion of the party that just hates Bernie irrationally and reflexively. It's going to be a problem for him if he gets in.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:53
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I can't believe any of you were even posting on the day of the SOTU rebuttal, let Abrams speak
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VitalSigns posted:I can't believe any of you were even posting on the day of the SOTU rebuttal, let Abrams speak
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Feb 6, 2019 15:58
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The Root is basically black Gawker, iirc.
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Feb 6, 2019 16:02
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mcmagic posted:There is a portion of the party that just hates Bernie irrationally and reflexively. It's going to be a problem for him if he gets in. counterpoint: gently caress the reagan/clinton democrats
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Raskolnikov38 posted:counterpoint: gently caress the reagan/clinton democrats I don't disagree with that at all. I don't think that is the only group that hates Bernie though. The hate I'm seeing for him doesn't appear too ideological.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They are just a loud group. I don’t think they are a real concern. yeah maybe if they didn't have the DNC, the media, and the MIC/intelligence community on their side i expect the Bernie hate to be the worst its ever been this cycle remember, the Democrat Party would rather lose to Trump than win with a progressive. Trump is seen as a temporary problem to them, a Bernie style takeover is seen as existential
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i am the bird posted:PSA is a ‘great’ podcast as a window into the liberals-pretending-to-be-leftists thought process. They’re completely out of touch with the average person (it’s almost comical how clueless they are to their own stations in life), but they’re extremely well-connected to the party. I find it useful listening to keep in mind the limits of what to expect from the dems and their framing often predicts what the party ends up doing. I always thought it was weird how people like the PSA folks and more specifically Ezra are described/describe themselves as 'wonks' when they really don't seem interested in technocratic knowledge at all. Like Ezra doesn't seem interested in policy or social science per se at all. He and others like him seem interested in centrist consensus building for its own sake, in order to maintain and protect the class position of white collar knowledge professionals. Something like Obamacare was good because it was the product of centrist consensus building with professional, upper middle class elites at the center, and for no other reason whatsoever. The specifics seem completely irrelevant. The latest Weeds episode is a great example, where they're talking about M4A and Ezra literally does not understand why Bernie people start with a specific policy they want to enact and then build their politics around that. Why you would want a specific thing, instead of just validation and buy-in from the upper-middle-class on literally anything, just seems like a totally alien thought process. That's like the opposite of how 'wonkery'/technocracy should work based on those words' definitions Yglesias on the other DOES seem actually interested in policy and social science, although he is insufferable as a person The PSA guy going Jordan Peterson sob-mode over how the specifics of healthcare plans are an invalid grounds for critique and contestation is a perfect example. You cannot criticize the professional-consultant-class over policy specifics. Their right to rule is categorical and absolute. I feel like you could take this in a Foucauldian knowledge-as-power direction, which is ironic because centrist libs love the Orwell-style, totalitarianism theory "Power over Truth is Fascism" stuff and have revived that in a big way in the last few years. The whole discourse is 100% projection I think, and always has been icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Gresh posted:yeah maybe if they didn't have the DNC, the media, and the MIC/intelligence community on their side
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Feb 6, 2019 16:48
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Gresh posted:yeah maybe if they didn't have the DNC, the media, and the MIC/intelligence community on their side Bernie-Jesus is going to take all the slings and arrows so that the AOCs of this world will be able to take over the party.
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Feb 6, 2019 16:50
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Bernie is letting all these clown car candidates have their own press cycles. He’s an honorable communist monster!
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Feb 6, 2019 17:13
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Can't wait for more "bernie bro" nonsense, sexism charges, and a full on disinformation/fake news smear campaign by repulsive russiagaters accusing him of being a Russian asset or useful Kremlin idiot... similar to whats happening to Gabbard right now.
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Feb 6, 2019 17:16
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I’m glad it is acknowledged there is a genuine hate machine and it must be destroyed.
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https://twitter.com/murphymike/status/1093185242397962240 Amy Klobuchar: The candidate GOP pundits/strategists love
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Feb 6, 2019 17:40
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Gresh posted:remember, the Democrat Party would rather where are people learning to say "Democrat Party" that isn't Fox News
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Cease to Hope posted:where are people learning to say "Democrat Party" that isn't Fox News It’s the Dems are a Waste Crew.
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It's going to be endless disingenuous attacks on Bernie, far more than 2016. And as I've said here before, I think it's unlikely that Bernie wins (only path I see is if Biden runs and doesn't immediately collapse). But I also think that the grassroots campaign for Bernie this time around will be substantially larger and more organized than last time around, and that will have ripple effects through politics. There will be far more AOCs coming up because of that. Which, ironically, shows how the people who complained that Bernie stayed too long last time around didn't get what he was doing. It wasn't about winning the nomination at a certain point, but keeping the mobilization going. Bernie had virtually no chance when the NY primary happened, but him still going is what allowed the network that led to AOC's election to be in place.
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