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Godholio posted:This came up in 2012, too. Taking the test prior to getting into a public pissing match with the president would've been a smarter move than basically acting on a front-page dare. Or don't take the test, period, which is a better move. You take the test and it says you're lots of American Indian? POTUS won't give a poo poo. And you've still alienated tribes that call bullshit on DNA tests.
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# ? May 30, 2024 13:49 |
warren apologized for it at least. if you want a candidate with nothing to apologize for, you better lower the age you can run for president to like... late-term abortion age.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 02:59 |
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And the recent card "story" was such a non-story. Candidate, publicly, for decades: I have American Indian heritage. Candidate later: Maybe I don't really and my family overstated it to me when I was younger. Oops, sorry. News: OMG decades ago she said she had American Indian heritage!!!
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 03:00 |
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Warren taking the test is mostly a matter of an establishment/decorum politician failing to realize that the game has changed. Very few dems have realized it.
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Man, if Warren's heritage becomes analogous to Hillary's Email coverage in the quantity of press when the current president bragged about sexual assault and has been involved in numerous, documented, court-adjudicated charity/education/employment/discrimination cases, I don't know... I'm going to begin to suspect that the US has a real problem with latent bigotry against women or something!
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mlmp08 posted:Or don't take the test, period, which is a better move. You take the test and it says you're lots of American Indian? POTUS won't give a poo poo. And you've still alienated tribes that call bullshit on DNA tests. Also true. colachute posted:warren apologized for it at least. It felt like an apology for being caught. Which is par for the course, and I agree with the last bit too.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 03:05 |
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Isn't the Warren thing literally an ad campaign that one of those DNA ancestry companies uses? "Family lore says we're German, but we're actually Italian!"
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In her defense, Donald Trump did say that he would give a million dollars to charity if she took the DNA test. She took the DNA test, he failed to pay and basically said it wasn't a real test and that he had to administer the test himself in order for the deal to count, and failed to pay. I'm guessing her and her team were hoping the media would put his feet to the fire for failing to follow through on giving a million dollars to charity. Instead they focused on her doing the test, and people treated her like poo poo for it.
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Vasudus posted:Warren taking the test is mostly a matter of an establishment/decorum politician failing to realize that the game has changed. Very few dems have realized it. Honestly the sooner more Dems realize it's ok and good to just tell the gop to gently caress off with their bullshit the better.
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mlmp08 posted:Man, if Warren's heritage becomes analogous to Hillary's Email coverage in the quantity of press when the current president bragged about sexual assault and has been involved in numerous, documented, court-adjudicated charity/education/employment/discrimination cases, I don't know... I'm going to begin to suspect that the US has a real problem with latent bigotry against women or something! suspect
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M_Gargantua posted:suspect Exactly.
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FAUXTON posted:Honestly the sooner more Dems realize it's ok and good to just tell the gop to gently caress off with their bullshit the better.
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Bored As gently caress posted:In her defense, Donald Trump did say that he would give a million dollars to charity if she took the DNA test. She took the DNA test, he failed to pay and basically said it wasn't a real test and that he had to administer the test himself in order for the deal to count, and failed to pay. I'm guessing her and her team were hoping the media would put his feet to the fire for failing to follow through on giving a million dollars to charity. Instead they focused on her doing the test, and people treated her like poo poo for it. I forgot about the charity thing...that does reframe it a bit.
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FAUXTON posted:Honestly the sooner more Dems realize it's ok and good to just tell the gop to gently caress off with their bullshit the better. theyre waiting to hear back from their focus groups and donors
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facialimpediment posted:This is like seeing a beloved family member get dementia, but worse. I don't know what any of that means, but I know that I hate it.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 03:36 |
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Warren definitely screwed up with the dna test- there was just no winning no matter what she did. Hell, my tribal claim is pretty weak and not much better than hers (everyone in the south says they have a Cherokee grandma, I just turned out to be telling the truth). She shouldn't have engaged and just pointed out that once again the republicans are focusing on racism for their arguments against the democrat front runner rather than fighting her on her merits. As for whether or not she counts, my friends in Cherokee said it best- "I'm not that interested in who her ancestors were, I want to know what she'll do for native issues." Hell the second Eastern Band chief was a white dude that bought as much land as he could so they could stay in NC.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 03:45 |
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The winning choice would be to loving apologize for her racist bullshit, not continuously double down but now she's stuck with this albatross entirely of her own creation
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 03:55 |
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Assuming my parents/grandparent's heritage doesn't have any unexpected results, and assuming that the limited pictures I have of my paternal great-grandfather are actually him, I should be 12.5% Cherokee. I've never bothered to take a DNA test, not that I really care about the results or would do anything with it other than know my *likely* ethnic background.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 03:55 |
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It doesn't help that dna tests don't really do well with eastern tribes because of racial mixing for the last ~300 years so it's hard to get a "clean" sample to test against. I think 23andme recently changed their test so it only looks at western tribes and central/south american tribes. There's also the weird outlier cases like the Cherokee Freedmen descendants who were considered part of the Cherokee Nation till someone decided they weren't anymore, and the federal government had to step in and say "yes they are." Tribal identity and recognition are a loving mess.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 04:00 |
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Yeah I don't know. Supposedly my paternal great grandfather was some random schmuck on the reservation in Oklahoma (unlike most people that claim their grandmothers were princesses or some poo poo, I know my heritage was just some randos) and then he hosed off to Chicago to work as a welder for skyscrapers. Or so the story goes, the gently caress if I know how accurate it is considering that the family tradition on my dad's side was to be a bunch of drunks that hate their fathers.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 04:05 |
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More or less the same here (esp. the alcoholic part) but mine went to Pennsylvania instead.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 04:15 |
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How would Trump administer the test himself?
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 04:41 |
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LingcodKilla posted:How would Trump administer the test himself?
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 04:51 |
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LingcodKilla posted:How would Trump administer the test himself? The Kashoggi method
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 04:57 |
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e: nah, bad joke.
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https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/uss-fitzgerald-destroyer-crash-crystal/quote:A little after 1:30 a.m. on June 17, 2017, Alexander Vaughan tumbled from his bunk onto the floor of his sleeping quarters on board the Navy destroyer USS Fitzgerald. The shock of cold, salty water snapped him awake. He struggled to his feet and felt a torrent rushing past his thighs.
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Best Friends posted:https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/uss-fitzgerald-destroyer-crash-crystal/ holy goddamn: quote:The radar was supposed to automatically follow the hooked tracks on the screen. But Fitzgerald sailors had been unable to make the feature work. & quote:The SPS-67 had another problem: radars must be tuned to obtain the clearest images. On the Fitzgerald, technicians had covered a button to tune the radar with masking tape because it was broken. From his post, Stawecki could not tune the radar. So the only other thing he saw were false returns — so-called clutter that could result from the radar hitting waves, flocks of birds or any other obstacle at sea. Stawecki would later testify that he saw no ships threatening the Fitzgerald in the crucial half-hour before the collision.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 07:01 |
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Amazing. I bet there are safety regulations for civilian seafaring that the Fitzgerald would have failed.
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I bet there are USN regs they'd have failed if C7F gave a poo poo about his people.
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ded posted:The president telling the senate and house to set abortion laws is pretty loving disturbing. Especially since he was given a standing applause for it. What are the odds if they do that they'll come after other contraceptives afterwords
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 07:29 |
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100% It all falls under the umbrella of controlling women.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 07:42 |
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i mean it was more a rhetorical question but yeah.
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# ? Feb 7, 2019 08:02 |
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I gotta admit I’m pro life, but I don’t have a vagina so my thoughts on the matter aren’t worth poo poo.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I gotta admit I’m pro life, but I don’t have a vagina so my thoughts on the matter aren’t worth poo poo. isn't this exactly what it means to be pro-choice? it doesn't matter what I think because its not my body so my opinion is worthless.
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Best Friends posted:https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/uss-fitzgerald-destroyer-crash-crystal/ oH HELLO NIGHTMARES
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Godholio posted:I bet there are USN regs they'd have failed if C7F gave a poo poo about his people. Regs about the most basic elements of seaworthiness and mission capability, for sure. quote:The warship’s state of readiness was in question. The Navy required destroyers to pass 22 certification tests to prove themselves seaworthy and battle-ready before sailing. The Fitzgerald had passed just seven of these tests. It was not even qualified to conduct its chief mission, anti-ballistic missile defense. Regs about manning, probably. quote:The Fitzgerald had around 270 people total — short of the 303 sailors called for by the Navy. Regs about standing watch, probably. quote:A video taken just minutes before the accident, for example, clearly shows the Maersk Evora illuminated from 10,000 yards away. The Crystal also had navigation lights running, and it was less than a few thousands yards away at the same time.
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Arc Light posted:Regs about the most basic elements of seaworthiness and mission capability, for sure. Jesus, there are age of sail maritime customs this ship would fail.
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She’d still be overmanned by civilian standards (a ship the Fritz’s size on the civilian side can probably sail with a crew of 12-15 people) but there’s no way she wouldn’t get detained for the radar issues. I was on a cargo ship with only one working radar once, there was a lot of paperwork involved in getting us a conditional class certificate to allow us to get to our next port where we would fix the radar. (Then the other radar failed and we went through an ice field with binoculars and prayers but heh).
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Wasabi the J posted:Jesus, there are age of sail maritime customs this ship would fail. "The investigation found that the ship's grog ration was incorrectly prepared and in insufficient quantities".
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RFC2324 posted:isn't this exactly what it means to be pro-choice? it doesn't matter what I think because its not my body so my opinion is worthless. Yes, but the pro-life side intentionally conflates pro-choice with pro-abortion even though pretty much no one falls into the latter category.
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