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Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

nobody should spend money on ancestry.com

Genealogy is a cheap and time consuming hobby. That's GWM.

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Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

quote:

I maintain a budget, I monitor our accounts, I know what we have coming in and going out. But obviously we are doing something wrong... I just cant understand what we are doing wrong or why we struggle so much when we bring in decent money and we dont spend excessively.

She's rocking some powerful cognitive dissonance :psyduck:

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Enfys posted:

She's rocking some powerful cognitive dissonance :psyduck:

It's rather typical when someone is going through the motions of budgeting. I believe she was categorising expenditure and not reviewing it or using the information to make any decisions. Essentially stamp collecting historical information. The concept of setting a budget and using it to make decisions on whether or not to spent is an alien concept to her.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Devian666 posted:

Essentially stamp collecting historical information.

That explains the Ancestry.com membership

ma i married a tuna
Apr 24, 2005

Numbers add up to nothing
Pillbug

Enfys posted:

She's rocking some powerful cognitive dissonance :psyduck:

She's let her minimum wage husband father three children, then trick her into paying all his bills while he actually lives with his girlfriend. I mean, I hope I wouldn't let things get to that, but if I did, I sure as gently caress wouldn't want to take a long hard look in the mirror.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

ma i married a tuna posted:

She's let her minimum wage husband father three children, then trick her into paying all his bills while he actually lives with his girlfriend. I mean, I hope I wouldn't let things get to that, but if I did, I sure as gently caress wouldn't want to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Different couples. One family of five, another of four.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Devian666 posted:

I found the open-marriage bonus on this one.

Why is her husband looking at apartment listings upsetting to her? It sounds like her husband moving out would be amazing for her.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
Also, I feel like "we have three kids" and "we live a modest life" is some serious loving cognitive dissonance by itself.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Thanatosian posted:

Why is her husband looking at apartment listings upsetting to her? It sounds like her husband moving out would be amazing for her.

A divorce would also be beneficial. Half the debt and the husband would need to contribute child support. Hopefully he would argue to keep a vehicle with a lot of debt attached and she could dodge a bigger bullet.

She claimed that they couldn't afford to live apart, but living together seems a lot more expensive.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

SS ships out of Chicago, everything else we know about them is hearsay, rumor, and myth. the first kratom thread thread is well worth a skim if you have archives!

one poster in that thread ripped SS off for thousands of dollars worth of FST, which was bold

TwoDice posted:

got a link?

The story is in the second post of the current Kratom thread.

Here's the archived thread.

Oh, and I wasn't exaggerating when I said tens of thousands of dollars:

TheKeeper posted:

From my first order placed February 24, 2014 to now [Dec 11, 2015]: $55,733.75
Don't do drugs, kids!

GamingHyena
Jul 25, 2003

Devil's Advocate

canyoneer posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/amhfhn/we_need_helpadvice_what_are_we_doing_wrong/
We need help/advice!! What are we doing wrong?
Budgeting


Where's all the money going? Who knows.



Oh, right. It's all that credit card debt, student loan debt, $540/mo for phones/internet/tv, and $20 each for Ancestry.com and Microsoft Office

The money is going into constantly shoving food and drinks in their face every waking moment.

Eating Out: $250
Alcohol: $253
Kids School Lunch: $150
Husband Lunch: $49
My Lunch: 34
Groceries: $1036
Total monthly food/booze costs: $1772
That's 28.5% of their monthly income!

They're spending around $225/mo on lunch for everyone alone ($150 + $49 + 34). That leaves around $1500 a month including booze to cover breakfast and dinner. What the hell are these people buying? Quit eating out and drinking and you can save over $500 a month right there.

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

GamingHyena posted:

The money is going into constantly shoving food and drinks in their face every waking moment.

Eating Out: $250
Alcohol: $253
Kids School Lunch: $150
Husband Lunch: $49
My Lunch: 34
Groceries: $1036
Total monthly food/booze costs: $1772
That's 28.5% of their monthly income!

They're spending around $225/mo on lunch for everyone alone ($150 + $49 + 34). That leaves around $1500 a month including booze to cover breakfast and dinner. What the hell are these people buying? Quit eating out and drinking and you can save over $500 a month right there.

This juxtaposed with her justification for the $1000 grocery bill being p good for 5 people (which it isn't terrible but definitely not good) is just :discourse: Even tho $200/person isn't terrible the $354.40/person certainly is. And just having a $250/month booze line itself is clearly not modest even if all of the kids are booze hounds too.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

The story is in the second post of the current Kratom thread.

Here's the archived thread.

Oh, and I wasn't exaggerating when I said tens of thousands of dollars:

What the fuuuuuuck

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal
Oh tcc is a magical place, and kratom is great because fst is literally an rc opiate that's highly addictive. That 55k over just a year is fully believable once you see how they wrangle you in then tolerance hits since the rc is like fent where it causes insane tolerance increases.

If anything please read drugs.txt it's one of the best threads in tcc. Also because there's a link to an actual research paper someone wrote for a wiki about his hypothesis that you can gently caress the shadow people that your brain let's you see on benedryl and how he goes about doing so. This is all real I wish I could make up bullshit like this.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Saving :10bux: on a game to lose your life savings

I just lost my entire life's savings to online fraud, what do I do now?

quote:

TL;DR Had a keygen on my computer, lost my entire savings, my email was compromised and someone attempted to purchase several giftcards with the money in my checkings.

A few days ago, over $5,000 was taken from my savings account via bill payment for a credit card I do not own and is not under my name. I called my bank and they froze my account, told me to make a new account with a new username and password and they made a claim for the money I had lost. They told me I would hear back about the claim in 10-45 days.

Literally as soon as I got off the phone for the claim, my banking app notified me that several purches were made with my debit card outside of the U.S., I was unable to stop the first purchase (it was only $1.65) but I managed to stop two other ones that were around $60 each (the purchases were for gift cards on a website known as kinguin. I called the bank again and made a new claim and they closed my debit card

A few minutes later, I kept getting emails from various companies saying things such as "we recieved your payment for x" or "thank you for your purchase for x" when I went to go read these emails, they would immediatley dissapear. I immediatley changed my email password. Someone was accessing my email and signing up for different websites. I managed to rememeber a few of the websites from the few seconds that they appeared. I logged into those websites with my email and lo and behold, someone had been buying gift cards with my money. There was a $50 xbox gift card purchased from target, several gift card purchases from Newegg, and I found the Kinguin purchases I mentioned earlier. Looking through the websites, I found several mailing addresses and ip addresses in other states. I called my local police non emergency number and informed the authorities about the situation. An officer came and took notes on the addresses and ip's I had found, He told me to make a claim on an FBI website with my bank information.

The next day, I woke up to a notification from my bank that my balance was in the negatives. Since my debit card was closed, this individual was now doing online money transfers via paypal and xoom. I called my bank and they froze my checkings account and made a claim on the money I had lost. The person on the phone told me that I would recieve those funds back soon because those payments were still processing.

On an unrelated note, this individual got into my steam account, changed the password and associated email, so I lost that too, I had over 250 games on it :(

Further information, the $5,000 was two years of saving money. I bank with Bank of America. I am a student at university. My dad is helping me a lot in this situation, he has been giving me money for food and other supplies since both my accounts are frozen. Also a few weeks prior, I downloaded a program that had something called a keygen. My firewall warned me about the software and I ignored it, I am 98% sure this is the cause of my problems. Lastly i kept changing my email password and steam passwords but the individual kept managing to send more emails for purchases and change my steam password

So I am not sure if I will get my savings back but until then, I am closing several accounts, making a new email and opening a new bank account. I also am NOT doing this on the affected computer because I am certain it was that computer that caused all this.

Thank you for reading my story and for any advice you can give.

Edit: thank you for all the advice everyone. I'm expecting to get a call back from the bank about the money in my savings account. And I filed a police report. Wish me luck

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007


Funny the OP left out the program that came with the keygen.

TwoDice
Feb 11, 2005
Not one, two.
Grimey Drawer

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

The story is in the second post of the current Kratom thread.

Here's the archived thread.

Oh, and I wasn't exaggerating when I said tens of thousands of dollars:

wooow

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/anu6b3/purchased_a_condo_seller_rented_it_to_his_nephew/

Purchased a condo, seller "rented" it to his nephew the day before contracts were signed. Now what? [NY, Putnam County]

quote:

Mostly what's in the title. Condo was vacant for roughly 60 days between closing and our attempt to move in. Upon getting there with our belongings, we discovered a new deadbolt on the door - the unit was vacant and had no deadbolt when we did our final walkthrough the day before closing. Tried knocking on the door. got no answer, reached out to our realtor, who contacted the seller's agent and asked that he get in touch with his client to find out what the hell is going on, but at this point we assumed squatters. About an hour later, a young man showed up and produced a 36 month lease which had been paid in advance. All $1 of it. He told us it's between us and his uncle, and headed into the apartment.

Our realtor is flabbergasted; he's encountered squatters and tenants who had to be evicted after refusing to leave at the end of the lease, but never anything like this. The police won't touch this either, which makes perfect sense given the context - dude has a lease that predates our contract (albeit by one day) so as far as they're concerned it's a civil matter. The condo association is incredibly hands-off about owners leasing their properties (which is part of why this place was appealing, as I plan to rent it out myself when we are ready to buy a house), so they want nothing to do with the situation.

To me it seems like the lease should be completely void given that it was executed in ridiculously bad faith, but I am nowhere near a lawyer. To that end, the attorney who handled the transaction for us is out of town till next week - my understanding is that he's camping or hiking or hunting or something along those lines and is basically incommunicado for the time being, but I am waiting to hear back from his admin to get details (he's a one man firm so there are no associates that can help me in the interim).

I have no idea what to do here. Luckily the truck we were using to move is owned by a friend's business, and they have graciously offered to let us store our belongings in it while we get this sorted. Unluckily, my wife and I turned in the keys to our old apartment this morning, and as such we have nowhere to go.

I'd be willing to do a cash for keys thing to get this guy out of our apartment but he won't speak to us. Beyond that, do I have grounds to evict him? If so, how do I recoup the expenses associated with this whole clusterfuck, sue the seller? Does the tenant have any sort of liability here? If I do pull of a successful cash for keys arrangement, can I sue the seller for that as well? What about the friend who is letting us keep all of our stuff in one of his trucks, does he have any grounds to sue or does the fact he is voluntarily letting us use the truck take that out of the equation? Is there anything else that I am not thinking of?

I am shaking with anger right now so I apologize for this being a bit of a a rambling novel, and thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

Edit: Location is New York, specifically Putnam County.
This seller is going to find out that he pulled a very, very expensive stunt.

quote:

Update (4:45PM): I just got a call from my attorney's admin. He's apparently close enough to civilization to have an internet connection in his cabin and should be checking in with her shortly, at which point she'll have him reach out to me. Apparently he was a civil litigator before he "retired" to real estate law, and she thinks he'll welcome an excuse to step into his old shoes and tear these people apart. Needless to say I am looking forward to hearing from him.

Update 2 (5:25PM): Just heard from both my realtor and my attorney. The evening seems to have found a way to get even more interesting, but the truck owning friend is about five minutes out with my car. We're going to meet my realtor for dinner, my closing documents and some badly needed drinks (said the guy who doesn't really drink). I'll update tomorrow morning if not tonight, but till then... THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for the advice and reassurance. Wish me luck!

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Looking forward to the seller getting turbofucked. Hopefully buyers can get damages from the seller to cover their hotel / etc.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



What’s the term for what the seller did legally wrong? Being a tremendous dick isn’t against the law in and of itself. I don’t know what’s involved in selling a house, is it some kind of breach of contract?

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf
That is a terrible situation to be in. He's going to win every court case for it but I'm betting he's going to lose so much money doing so, and that he won't get his money back. The seller has probably already spent or tied up the money elsewhere. I think the likely scenario is that the buyer wins a judgement but can't collect. The seller and/or nephew declare bankruptcy to delay legal action and eviction, and when it finally comes to it, the nephew strips the condo of all appliances and copper before being evicted.

22 Eargesplitten posted:

What’s the term for what the seller did legally wrong? Being a tremendous dick isn’t against the law in and of itself. I don’t know what’s involved in selling a house, is it some kind of breach of contract?

Fraud, breach of contract, various bad faith claims

SpartanIvy fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Feb 7, 2019

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

22 Eargesplitten posted:

What’s the term for what the seller did legally wrong? Being a tremendous dick isn’t against the law in and of itself. I don’t know what’s involved in selling a house, is it some kind of breach of contract?
"Drawing up a contract to sell something, receiving payment, then renting the something to a third party for three years."

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Ah, so he already got all the money before leasing it out. Not sure how that isn’t criminal, but okay.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

SpartanIvy posted:

when it finally comes to it, the nephew strips the condo of all appliances and copper before being evicted.

Silver lining from OP:

quote:

Well part of the plan was to tear the apartment to pieces and install all new everything when we're ready to move and before we rent it out. If this guy destroys the place, he'll just be pushing that schedule up and subsidizing some of the demo work when all's said and done in court.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Ah, so he already got all the money before leasing it out. Not sure how that isn’t criminal, but okay.

The seller doesn't appear to be getting anything on the surface. He rented the condo out for $1. So this is probably a family scam that they've done before. Sell a house, pull this poo poo at the last minute, and then scam the new owners out of a settlement or live rent free for as long as possible.

They probably know exactly how far they can take this legally.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

kimbo305 posted:

Silver lining from OP:
Like SpartanIvy said, lol if they think they're going to be able to collect a judgement from either of these people.

Krispy Wafer posted:

The seller doesn't appear to be getting anything on the surface. He rented the condo out for $1.
Uh, he's got the money from the people who thought they were purchasing a condo.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Dead Reckoning posted:

Uh, he's got the money from the people who thought they were purchasing a condo.

He was always going to get the money. But by renting out the house he's put himself in a spot where there's a risk (however small) he could lose a whole lot of money. Even if he wiggles out of it with a bankruptcy, he still incurs a cost he wouldn't have otherwise had. There's no benefit to him here unless he's in on the scam with the "nephew".

I haven't heard of this grift before, but there have been other family scams where one adult buys a house and a large extended family lives in it. The house is foreclosed on in a year or so. Then the next adult buys a house and the process repeats. By the time you get around to the first adult again, the initial foreclosure has fallen off their record.

The buyer's best hope is that this is the first time he's pulled this trick and he's made a mistake their lawyer can exploit.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011
Ah, I see what you meant now.

potee
Jul 23, 2007

Or, you know.

Not fine.
Since no one was supposed to be living there, the seller failed to deliver the property "free of tenants," and therefore the title insurance company would step in and go after the seller, no?

Not getting title insurance is extremely BWM

Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.
The buyer should be literally allowed to murder the person in the condo if they wish. I wouldn’t convict for sure.

JRay88
Jan 4, 2013

Blinkman987 posted:

The buyer should be literally allowed to murder the person in the condo if they wish. I wouldn’t convict for sure.

That’s New York though, they’d convict him of manslaughter just for thinking about it.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

JRay88 posted:

That’s New York though, they’d convict him of manslaughter just for thinking about it.

I think it's upstate so maybe not.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

potee posted:

Since no one was supposed to be living there, the seller failed to deliver the property "free of tenants," and therefore the title insurance company would step in and go after the seller, no?

Not getting title insurance is extremely BWM

I fail to see how this isn't criminal fraud. The seller and the leaser conspired to defraud the buyer. The seller signed a sales contract that he knew was invalid and had no intention of honoring and the leaser signed a rental agreement, knowing the sale was imminent, intending to prevent the buyer from inhabiting his property.

At this point I would be providing a draft of an editorial to be published in the local newspaper about how the AG's office is incompetent to the AG.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Murgos posted:

I fail to see how this isn't criminal fraud. The seller and the leaser conspired to defraud the buyer. The seller signed a sales contract that he knew was invalid and had no intention of honoring and the leaser signed a rental agreement, knowing the sale was imminent, intending to prevent the buyer from inhabiting his property.

At this point I would be providing a draft of an editorial to be published in the local newspaper about how the AG's office is incompetent to the AG.

I think the owners could evict the tenant. The nephew may try to argue before a judge that the lease is lawful, but I don't think it'd fly. At that point the police could enforce an eviction notice. But no, the police will not drag him out without a judgement because that would require them to determine whether the lease is valid and that's not their job.

The problem is this process would take several months at least and that's if everything goes their way.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Krispy Wafer posted:

But no, the police will not drag him out without a judgement because that would require them to determine whether the lease is valid and that's not their job.

Do you really want the police making judgements on civil matters?

Maybe that wasn't what you meant by this, but I'm very glad it's not their job.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Motronic posted:

Do you really want the police making judgements on civil matters?

Maybe that wasn't what you meant by this, but I'm very glad it's not their job.

Well that's just it. Right now it's a civil matter. If he takes the squatter to court and gets an eviction notice then the police can enforce it. The sheriff will happily haul him out of the condo at that point.

We don't want that guy who dropped out of college after 2 criminal justice classes trying to determine whether a lease is lawful or not. We probably don't want him carrying a gun either, but those are the breaks.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Krispy Wafer posted:

Well that's just it. Right now it's a civil matter. If he takes the squatter to court and gets an eviction notice then the police can enforce it. The sheriff will happily haul him out of the condo at that point.

The sheriff isn't "the police". It's actually their job to enforce civil judgements.

It's bullshit that an obviously invalid lease establishes residency, but this pore guy is probably going to have to do a formal eviction even after he gets his judgement. And that takes forever.

Ebola Roulette
Sep 13, 2010

No matter what you win lose ragepiss.

GamingHyena posted:

The money is going into constantly shoving food and drinks in their face every waking moment.

Eating Out: $250
Alcohol: $253
Kids School Lunch: $150
Husband Lunch: $49
My Lunch: 34
Groceries: $1036
Total monthly food/booze costs: $1772
That's 28.5% of their monthly income!

They're spending around $225/mo on lunch for everyone alone ($150 + $49 + 34). That leaves around $1500 a month including booze to cover breakfast and dinner. What the hell are these people buying? Quit eating out and drinking and you can save over $500 a month right there.

How are they spending $250 a month on alcohol? A choose your own 6 pack is like $10, so is a decent bottle of wine. Say you bought each of those to enjoy each weekend, that's $80 a month. I don't see a babysitting expense so it's not like they're getting drinks out. I suspect someone here is an alcoholic.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




If one of them drinks half of a 6-pack of craft beer every night that's easily $150/month. Same for half a bottle of $10 wine every night. You could get there even easier if you were going out to drink, but yeah that's probably not the case with kids.

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therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Ebola Roulette posted:

How are they spending $250 a month on alcohol? A choose your own 6 pack is like $10, so is a decent bottle of wine. Say you bought each of those to enjoy each weekend, that's $80 a month. I don't see a babysitting expense so it's not like they're getting drinks out. I suspect someone here is an alcoholic.

A bottle of wine a day would do it, and that's only 2 drinks per adult per day.

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