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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

MickeyFinn posted:

It is not just wages that are the problem. Their hiring practices are terrible and known to turn away qualified applicants. Any time someone in "tech" says they can't find people with the right skills, just start laughing until they get mad at you and then laugh even harder.

You can pretty much say that about any labour shortage nowadays. Employers have the advantage and are still gigantic babies about everything.

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Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

MickeyFinn posted:

It is not just wages that are the problem. Their hiring practices are terrible and known to turn away qualified applicants. Any time someone in "tech" says they can't find people with the right skills, just start laughing until they get mad at you and then laugh even harder.

Amen

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep
"designer baby startup"

https://twitter.com/techreview/status/1091360692521840640

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

That headline reads like it was grown in dystopia-maximizing lab.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Solkanar512 posted:

Yeah, Amazon programmers get paid a lot in absolute terms, but they likely should get paid a whole lot more.
Maybe, but places with comparable GDP per capita but more social democratic policies (e.g. better union support) like Denmark have lower programmer salaries, not higher ones. I think with more progressive policies you'd see wage compression/less income inequality and programmers would lose out on that.

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/ucsc/status/1091057000354476032

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

yeah, this is exactly the outcome of the whole "on demand fleets" concept of self driving car use. ride hail apps are already causing big traffic increases - turns out taxi medallion schemes, as many problems as they have, are good at limiting the amount of extra traffic generated

https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-lyft-creating-traffic-cities-bruce-schaller-2018-7

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Cicero posted:

Maybe, but places with comparable GDP per capita but more social democratic policies (e.g. better union support) like Denmark have lower programmer salaries, not higher ones. I think with more progressive policies you'd see wage compression/less income inequality and programmers would lose out on that.

Are those lower paid programmers working similar hours?

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog



We have a room with a sink and some beakers in it, and we have someone who said they may give us money for a service one day, so I think we’re about halfway to creating this designer baby startup!

Moatman
Mar 21, 2014

Because the goof is all mine.

Harik posted:

There's a good experiment in there if you can get that trained AI and start feeding it resumes with minor alterations. Joe->Jamal, how much score does he lose? Harvard->Howard? Mark to Mary?

It's a perfect test because it's utterly stateless and can be repeated forever and demonstrates that things that shouldn't have any bearing are actually scored really highly.
It should be zero because that’s an important identifier, and you don’t generally include those in training data because it’s likely to overfit to the identifier. Even if they don’t consider it an identifier it would be a bad idea to include names for the exact reason that it generates a lot of avoidable bias. They also probably didn’t explicitly have gender in the training data for the same reason (also because that almost certainly runs afoul of discrimination laws) but I don’t know for sure.
Harvard->Howard would be more interesting (well probably somewhere less... Harvard because it’s gonna be ridiculously skewed because it’s Harvard).

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012
Depends if they just fed it with data that resulted in a non hire or a hire. If they also included performance metrics from people already hired from those schools it might lead to non bias at all if the metrics are "good".

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

Mr Shiny Pants posted:

Depends if they just fed it with data that resulted in a non hire or a hire. If they also included performance metrics from people already hired from those schools it might lead to non bias at all if the metrics are "good".

I am extremely skeptical that metrics that are less biased than hiring exist. Especially at a company so ignorant of bias as Amazon has shown us to be.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012

MickeyFinn posted:

I am extremely skeptical that metrics that are less biased than hiring exist. Especially at a company so ignorant of bias as Amazon has shown us to be.

I agree, I was just pointing out that it could work if the dataset was any good.. And it failing at Amazon would be expected considering hiring practices at tech companies.

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/nathanielpopper/status/1091443453798494208

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Password: AynRandSexy

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog



I'm sure it was also a ponzi scheme on some level, so congrats to this guy by winning the ponzi scheme by dying before the scheme did.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

I'm sure it was also a ponzi scheme on some level, so congrats to this guy by winning the ponzi scheme by dying before the scheme did.

"Dying"

The pogs are moving out of the accounts in question, apparently.

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog


Weatherman posted:

"Dying"

The pogs are moving out of the accounts in question, apparently.

Hahahahaha and here I thought there was only one way to win a ponzi scheme

Morbus
May 18, 2004

Cicero posted:

Maybe, but places with comparable GDP per capita but more social democratic policies (e.g. better union support) like Denmark have lower programmer salaries, not higher ones. I think with more progressive policies you'd see wage compression/less income inequality and programmers would lose out on that.

Yeah but this has mostly to do with the fact that there is not a Danish equivalent to e.g. Facebook, Google, Amazon etc. Tech firms based in the US enjoy a globally dominant position; you could argue that better unionization among U.S. tech workers would increase their disparity in pay vs. e.g. their European counterparts

Most sectors of the global tech industry are extremely consolidated with high barriers to entry, one way or another. In some cases it's due to insanely high and ever-accelerating capital costs in industries with commoditized and mostly low-margin products (most semiconductor and other hardware manufacturing). In other cases it's due to highly entrenched and extremely rich monopolies or pseudo-monopolies (Google, Amazon, Facebook). Sometimes both. In all cases, a contributing factor is that one or two large multinational firms are (at leas in principle) capable of satisfying the vast majority of global demand. Since banks and the broader finance industry know this and of course prefer that situation to many smaller, globally diverse competing firms, they choose and fund winners accordingly (see for example Uber).

The accidentally-socialist policies of the U.S. in the postwar period w.r.t investment in emerging technologies (at a time when it's future competitors were either devastated by war and/or n various states of diminished sovereignty), combined with ongoing U.S. efforts to exploit it's dominant position in global finance and trade to prop up it's own firms at the expense of competitors, has more to do with the high tech sector wages in the U.S. than anything else. That's also why they are so apeshit over China.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Weatherman posted:

"Dying"

The pogs are moving out of the accounts in question, apparently.

The court should seize the bitchain.










Shut up, that's totally a thing that can happen.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Megillah Gorilla posted:

The court should seize the bitchain.










Shut up, that's totally a thing that can happen.

Government supported 51% attack? I believe this is just called "China"

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop
https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/31/sex-censorship-killed-internet-fosta-sesta/

quote:

I can feel my anxiety climbing as I try to find current news stories about sex. Google News shows one lonely result for "porn," an article that is 26 days old. I log out of everything and try different browsers because this can't be right.

I pop over to Yahoo News and try the same searches, exhaling relief to see 892 news articles for "porn" from outlets ranging from Associated Press to Rolling Stone. They're there. It's just that Google's 2018 algorithm upgrade filters out news with the word "porn" in it. Like articles about porn performer suicide, tips for revenge porn victims, parents who oppose porn website age-verification (turns out, today's parents are more afraid of data collection than their kids watching porn).

We are on the other side now. Like everyone I know, my anxiety climbs as I open any new browser window, check any app or news site. As corporations have scuttled the weird and the wonderful, the taboo voices and forbidden artwork, we wonder only ... what hate will we see today? What attacks await, now that the common rooms and public squares are the playgrounds of racist and anti-sex algorithms, of incels and Nazis, of advertisers and corporations ruling platforms with the iron fist of dated conservative values.

We haven't seen all the fallout yet. I think this dovetails nicely with the only recognized hatespeech being "men are trash" and "loving TERFs".

Cable Guy
Jul 18, 2005

I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...




Slippery Tilde
Does anyone have any news on Samsung leaking or being hacked for passwords for their android phones? Admin of a scamwatch group posted a youtube link but I can't find any other info out there.

Not posting the link, and haven't watched it. [Won't add to the click-count until there's collaborating sources.]


Edit: Post seems to be about the email password collections that happened a few days ago but had a misleading preview about the Samsung leaked designs. As you were.

Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Feb 5, 2019

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/1092846201374892032

Patreon is looking to gently caress up a good thing.

This whole article (and tweet-chain) are so bonkers. Like, Patreon is literally getting money for free. They've skimmed 5% of over a billion dollars in patreon pledges for doing nothing but serving as a centralized payment-processor for small time operators. They could change nothing and make 50-60m a year forever - more as the platform grows - with almost no overhead. But since they're in hock to VC up to their eyeballs, they're fretting about "deliverables" and "additional monetization venues" like those have ever made the user experience better or easier to use.

Patreon isn't doing anything paypal or ko-fi or google pay or a thousand other processors couldn't step in and do, and it's easier than ever for creators to let their fans know how to get money to them; the actual service is irrelevant.

But capitalism demands its blood from a stone, and the correct answer to "how much money is enough" is, to capitalism,
"always just a little bit more"

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!
Venture capital is poison and venture capitalists should be hung from a lamp post the minute they've made a successful investment to stop them loving it up.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

suck my woke dick posted:

Venture capital is poison and venture capitalists should be hung from a lamp post the minute they've made a successful investment to stop them loving it up.

VC's putting in the wrong CFO into a company I co-founded destroyed something that would have been of major importance in games ... oh well.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

VideoGameVet posted:

VC's putting in the wrong CFO into a company I co-founded destroyed something that would have been of major importance in games ... oh well.

Even with this setback I'm still confident BMX XXX 2 will happen some day.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


seeing that thread on twitter yesterday blew my mind. i had no idea patreon took vc money. it's a money making venture from the word go why are you doing that. it's not like snapchat where it's not making money and NEEDS the money to keep the lights on.

Popoi
Jul 23, 2000

Easy Diff posted:

https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/1092846201374892032

Patreon is looking to gently caress up a good thing.

This whole article (and tweet-chain) are so bonkers. Like, Patreon is literally getting money for free. They've skimmed 5% of over a billion dollars in patreon pledges for doing nothing but serving as a centralized payment-processor for small time operators. They could change nothing and make 50-60m a year forever - more as the platform grows - with almost no overhead. But since they're in hock to VC up to their eyeballs, they're fretting about "deliverables" and "additional monetization venues" like those have ever made the user experience better or easier to use.

Patreon isn't doing anything paypal or ko-fi or google pay or a thousand other processors couldn't step in and do, and it's easier than ever for creators to let their fans know how to get money to them; the actual service is irrelevant.

But capitalism demands its blood from a stone, and the correct answer to "how much money is enough" is, to capitalism,
"always just a little bit more"
Based on the tweets I see on the 1st of every month they're not even particularly good at the payment processing part.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Neo Rasa posted:

Even with this setback I'm still confident BMX XXX 2 will happen some day.

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Kobayashi
Aug 13, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

Groovelord Neato posted:

seeing that thread on twitter yesterday blew my mind. i had no idea patreon took vc money. it's a money making venture from the word go why are you doing that. it's not like snapchat where it's not making money and NEEDS the money to keep the lights on.

Everything you use on your smartphone and every service of convenience you've tried over the past decade is likely fueled by VC money expecting VC returns. Capitalism ruins everything.

Old Grasshopper
Apr 7, 2011

"Patience, young grasshopper."
It's the never ending cycle of people expecting year on year growth to happen, literally, forever.

I know that for Patreon to continue as a business it needs to remain profitable. But if it's banking a significant amount and has enough to invest in change programmes to keep it relevant for the future, then why does it need to keep on pushing for growth? :dukedoge:

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
VC's also manage to muck up hardware. There's a few trying to make it work, but the plug-n-chug model of a software startup breaks down.

The basic VC math is I need 1 success out of X companies to pay for the losers, with "success" being roughly $100MM annual recurring revenue. Hardware sales don't "count" as ARR. So you're never going to see a widget that just sits on your desk or does one thing well. Everything has to be tied to a consumable, subscription service, something monthly, etc.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

JawnV6 posted:

VC's also manage to muck up hardware. There's a few trying to make it work, but the plug-n-chug model of a software startup breaks down.

The basic VC math is I need 1 success out of X companies to pay for the losers, with "success" being roughly $100MM annual recurring revenue. Hardware sales don't "count" as ARR. So you're never going to see a widget that just sits on your desk or does one thing well. Everything has to be tied to a consumable, subscription service, something monthly, etc.

Arduino blink sketch as a service.

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

JawnV6 posted:

VC's also manage to muck up hardware. There's a few trying to make it work, but the plug-n-chug model of a software startup breaks down.

The basic VC math is I need 1 success out of X companies to pay for the losers, with "success" being roughly $100MM annual recurring revenue. Hardware sales don't "count" as ARR. So you're never going to see a widget that just sits on your desk or does one thing well. Everything has to be tied to a consumable, subscription service, something monthly, etc.

The Department of Energy is having the laboratories start hardware incubators for exactly this reason, but also the upfront costs because VC isn't interested if you aren't "lean" as a startup. That the equipment you need is >$1M just to start is no excuse. The Moore foundation is doing some work, too.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

MickeyFinn posted:

The Department of Energy is having the laboratories start hardware incubators for exactly this reason, but also the upfront costs because VC isn't interested if you aren't "lean" as a startup. That the equipment you need is >$1M just to start is no excuse. The Moore foundation is doing some work, too.

Yes but when your 1m piece of equipment is down for a few days what happens to your razor thin profit margin. VC isnt always bad and very dependent on the partner agreement. If you just keep doing funding rounds snd diluting your shared you are an idiot and typically those people get eaten

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/verge/status/1093297142695907329

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

VC isnt always bad and very dependent on the partner agreement

Ok I get that hypothetically this could be the case, but it would require the funder to be smart and not full of poo poo enough to recognise that they're a glorified high risk high reward creditor with gently caress all input into the decision-making and hiring process of the startup, plus not demanding exponential growth at the cost of mid and long term viability.

In other news, I've got a bridge to sell to you.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer

suck my woke dick posted:

In other news, I've got a bridge to sell to you.

How much can I invest in your bridge and what's the return on investment looking like? Is there an app?

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MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Yes but when your 1m piece of equipment is down for a few days what happens to your razor thin profit margin. VC isnt always bad and very dependent on the partner agreement. If you just keep doing funding rounds snd diluting your shared you are an idiot and typically those people get eaten

Nothing happens, that equipment is usually not running. This equipment isn't a service. Some highly trained person is usually designing processes and needs the equipment for the process or testing or some other critical element to exist, working on uptime, efficiency and understanding how to turn the profit is the point of the start-up.

Here's an example from Cylclotron Road. You can't get money from people who want the concept to be worth $1B in 5 years until you have a prototype, that prototype requires $ for literal parts. So where do you get the money? This isn't 1-2 people and some AWS resources.

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