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Well, I've been a passive observer for long enough. I guess I'll put myself forward as Mario Pato, an upstart Portuguese communist occupying whatever position makes sense in the Iberian Union. Basically an ardent loyalist of the new regime willing to rationalize just about any action taken by the Party in the years to come, so long as it continues to uphold the rights of Iberia's minority populations.
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To go along with the theme of ethnic and religious minorities getting a new place in the new regime (which seems roughly analogous to some of the politics of the early Soviet Union) put me in as a Basque general for the Iberian Union, Ricardo Etxeberria.
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habeasdorkus posted:I dunno, they seemed like they had a pretty stable constitutional govn't before getting whacked about in the great war. It would be a little odd to sign on with the UNFflies without themselves being turned to the hard right. Especially if there's a racial superiority aspect to the fascists in France. And double especially if Morocco sides with France because hey they're both totalitarian states and what's really the difference except for the title of the dude at the top? Yeah, but this is what Benin's pops looked like at the end of vic2:  That was basically my rationale for them allying with Francia, but I dunno. habeasdorkus posted:Likewise, the socialist government under the constitutional monarchy of Russia probably doesn't love our glorious communist dictatorship and we think they're sellouts who are just as bad as the bourgeoisie, but we'd have a lot more in common with them than either of us would with the French and would probably support the same side in the German civil war. It at least seems more likely than social democratic Russia signing on with absolute monarchists. Russia's never going to support the communist side in the GCW, not when there are liberals fighting it out as well, but that doesn't mean we can't form a temporary alliance against Francia later on. With that said though, where they've got the time and options, it's much more likely that they'll revive their alliance with Morocco over us, both because they have a history of good relations with Morocco, and because they'd lean towards a monarchist dictatorship over a communist dictatorship any day.
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Feb 7, 2019 18:39
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If anything Benin looks ripe for a civil war of its own. Especially considering that, while they have a lot of accepted pops, I'm sure a fash regime would make all the unaccepteds and many of the accepted but not primaries very concerned, depending on the exact flavor.
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Feb 7, 2019 18:47
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I missed the part where we had to give names, so disregard my original post. Give me Friederich Neumann, german communist general. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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Feb 7, 2019 19:08
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Can we have some kind of monarchist return from across the seas as in Kaiserreich in case of syndicalist UK and kingdom in exile in Canada?
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Feb 7, 2019 19:15
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Edited my requested name into my previous post.
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Feb 7, 2019 19:38
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Just because Benin goes fascist shouldn’t mean they instantly line up with France. They want to get their own back; they should ally with whoever fights Morocco. It might be a good decision point for us - either restore our Benin alliance, or do we bite the bullet and go against centuries of precedent to normalize relations with the (presumably) stronger but less focused Morocco.
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Feb 7, 2019 19:46
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Jesenjin posted:Can we have some kind of monarchist return from across the seas as in Kaiserreich in case of syndicalist UK and kingdom in exile in Canada? agreed. it is time to end the jizrunid exile in the caribbean and restore the house’s rightful dominion over iberia
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Feb 7, 2019 19:59
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Zikan posted:Can’t wait for the fascists to win all of the civil wars and Iberia to end up at war with them all at once along with the bourgeois democracies and the leftist splitters in the Balkans. Sounds like a way of giving the HOI4 AI a sporting chance.
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Feb 7, 2019 20:05
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Ikasuhito posted:I,ll Join the baddies. Sign me up for the Frankish Army. General Meurt Froid reporting for duty! 
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Feb 7, 2019 20:06
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I'll take a Russian character doing whatever under the name Ivan Draggo
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Feb 7, 2019 20:11
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Ya requesting iberification as Walid al-Layun
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Beninese ideology is a lot messier than I expected! Having a chance to side with France and moving towards fascism themselves makes sense given the divided population. Maybe give them a couple different options, with it weighted based roughly on who will help them mash Morocco? As for Russia and the German Civil War, I guess it depends on how the civil war works. I was thinking of an enemy mine situation where the liberals and communists teamed up to fight the fascists, but a three way fight would be a lot different.
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Feb 7, 2019 20:43
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The idea of a fascist Benin aligning with white supremacist Francia isn't really that far off considering the alignment of nationalist Indian rebels and Imperial Japan with the Axis in our own timeline. Real politik is a hell of a drug.
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Feb 7, 2019 20:51
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I would like to be a Russian General, Amur Pavlov, Tiger of Siberia. Also can we have an event for to Scandavia have claims on Novgorod and other parts of Western Russia. Reclaim the motherland that was lost to them years ago.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:02
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put me as someone important in Provence as Giuseppe Calabrese
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this world is no paradise, and the slave trade happened, but benin has been ahistorically well integrated into the euro-mediterranean world in this timeline so maybe they wouldn't be viewed as an inferior other quite as much as africans have been viewed in real life if benin went fascist, white fascists might find them to be perfectly respectable allies with their own part in european-mediterranean history and culture
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oystertoadfish posted:this world is no paradise, and the slave trade happened, but benin has been ahistorically well integrated into the euro-mediterranean world in this timeline so maybe they wouldn't be viewed as an inferior other quite as much as africans have been viewed in real life I would go so far as to say that Benin is uniquely positioned to be similar to Japan in our timeline. They, like Japan, are a power that has lived amidst a lot of colonial powers and has on occasion humbled or been humbled by those of higher stature. There's a similar dynamic to the Russo-Japanese War with a sort of simmering resentment and feeling of unfinished business between Benin and Morocco. Imperial Japan had no problem associating with the white supremacist regimes of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy not solely because of real politik (as the irredentist and imperialist goals of both regimes primarily hurt Imperial Japan's rivals), but also because of a similar belief in the ascendancy of their state above others. A lot of Japanese propaganda at the time focused on the idea of a unified East Asia as a counter-balance to (ostensibly white) imperialist aggressors. Benin has a similar desire, and the Dual Monarchy, despite having a pretty respectable imperial empire, only tip-toed a bit into Africa in Namibia. Benin thus has a pretty good opportunity to leverage an alliance with the Frankish State an alliance that could challenge Morocco, Germany, Russia and the Kongo in order to take over the continent for themselves. If Hashim is looking for inspiration, I definitely feel Benin should be weighted towards a similar path as HoI4's Japan (focusing on quality over quantity though with a focus on armored warfare over naval/air game, conquering the colonial territory of weakened states like Germany who have no means to defend it). I think an event with a diplomatic incident between the Khedivate and Benin could be a nice little analogy to the early China/Japan conflict, with the option as in the case of China to make concessions or even become a puppet of Benin, which could help boost Benin to be more viable in the same way as ultimately without any support in the region they are likely to get rolled by Morocco when that time finally ocomes. Benin has been our friend for a while and was a pretty genial liberal monarchy but they have always been conquerors constantly seeking more power and land in Africa, only made heroic by their resistance to the truly awful Almoravids. It's awfully fitting to me that they have been lead by this dark path, and it's explicitly because of Al-Andalus and our dragging them into a war that they only suffered immensely from.
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one of the only  things about this world is how the muslim and christian parts seemingly stayed much more connected than irl, to the point where the Enlightenment seemed to be a bi-faith endeavor. as have been all the major ideological developments since, i thinkthere's also been a ton of cross-faith alliances in wars, which did happen in the early modern era but i don't think to this degree
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oystertoadfish posted:one of the only Yeah, I imagine the idea of "whiteness" among Europeans in this timeline extends to Arabs and Berbers. The Frangleterre fascists probably see Andalusians in the same place on the racial hierarchy that real life Nazis saw, say, French people.
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Come to think of it, I wonder if Fascism would've ended up in worldwide decline rather than ascent if Al Andalus just took the hit and went fascist itself  .I've been rooting for Cherson for most of the LP, but since they're not likely to have a significant place in the coming storm, can I get a guy in Russia? Cherson's probably in their sphere anyways. Foolin' around with google translate suggests "Lenivaya Zmeya" as maybe a good name. Poking through old maps really shows how far Cherson's fallen. It used to hold half of the Black Sea before Smolensk's ascension to Russia squidged it into insignificance. Also pictured: The Latin Empire snaking its way up north of the Balkans, where it lives today, although after this there was a big chunk of time when that territory was an exclave separated from the rest of the Latin Empire by a thousand miles of Hungary and Serbia. God knows how that would've worked.  I keep confusing Ibriz and Mazula and Zuhriman and Tirruni.
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Tricky Dick Nixon posted:The idea of a fascist Benin aligning with white supremacist Francia isn't really that far off considering the alignment of nationalist Indian rebels and Imperial Japan with the Axis in our own timeline. Real politik is a hell of a drug. Yeah, even the actual German Nazis weren't really averse to giving aid in the form of weapons and recognition (though it often didn't do much good) to various anti-British and French groups in their colonies and dependent territories, such as Iraq. And fascist or fascist-friendly groups weren't uncommon in the non-white colonies of either particularly in the Middle East and Asia. It mostly comes down to real politik and the fact that with the Germans, and Hitler and other prominent nazis in particular, that their territorial and imperial ambitions were almost entirely focused on Europe and they didn't much care enough about Africa and Asia to make any definite plans about conquest there, even though they considered the people there to be racially inferior.
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Sign me up as Robert Morrow, a New English Minister.
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WilliamAnderson posted:Me as well, though maybe a minister instead. I've got a very English name. Quoting this since I didn't edit it until now. New England, either minister or general.
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Tricky Dick Nixon posted:If Hashim is looking for inspiration, I definitely feel Benin should be weighted towards a similar path as HoI4's Japan (focusing on quality over quantity though with a focus on armored warfare over naval/air game, conquering the colonial territory of weakened states like Germany who have no means to defend it). I think an event with a diplomatic incident between the Khedivate and Benin could be a nice little analogy to the early China/Japan conflict, with the option as in the case of China to make concessions or even become a puppet of Benin, which could help boost Benin to be more viable in the same way as ultimately without any support in the region they are likely to get rolled by Morocco when that time finally ocomes. I was looking for something interesting for Africa in the early-game, and I like this idea, so yeah I think I'll give them a focus to start a spat with the Khedivate. And like I said before, more ideas are always welcome. 1936-1938 is gonna be a shitstorm, and the world war won't have even started yet.
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I'd like to be a possible minister for a democratic/socialist liberated England or Frengland, called Rev[erend]. Ailes
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Jesenjin posted:Can we have some kind of monarchist return from across the seas as in Kaiserreich in case of syndicalist UK and kingdom in exile in Canada? Sure, I'll give them a wargoal to annex old England to top off their focus tree, and with Albionoria being fascist they may well end up at war with Francia and her allies before long.
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Seeing as how they each got trashed by New England when they fought alone, it might be a good idea to give whoever wins the Ibrizi Civil War the option to “make a deal with the devil” and align with Albiornia to reconquer their lost territories. Possibly even give Francia the chance to support the deal, knowing it will deprive their biggest enemies, Iberia and Russia, of allied support.
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Feb 8, 2019 01:22
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Alright, changed my mind. I'll be Hafez Nagar, Afghan defector and Moroccan general.
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I'd like to be the French General, Yves-Marcel le Tombe.
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Put me down as an Andalusian somewhere if there is still room. Nadiyah al-Khattab.
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Oh, because I didn't specify it before, I want my cameo's name to be Aljadid Almiriykh
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While the majority of the noble dynasty of Murad al-Din probably all got garrotted or exiled, I'm sure some civil servant in some part of the bureaucracy or officer somewhere in the army escaped by going full communist. Mirza al-Din, reporting for duty (as either a minister or general or admiral or wherever there's space).
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Going with Sabah Didi as a female Bengali admiral in Al-Andalus (or Bengal itself, if it allows a woman admiral). Hopefully Morocco finally gets brought to its knees, and Al-Andalus is the one doing the kneecapping!
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Hashim posted:Japan will have a mini-crisis to deal with early on, stemming from the years of poor government under their dictator and the harsh terms of the Treaty of Edo, when they were forced to dismantle their empire. So I'm hoping that will give some time for one or two challengers to arise on the mainland. This is so exciting to hear. Why would the Japanese target Usturaliya before India though? If they want to reverse what happened with the Treaty of Edo, recreating the Japanese Raj seems to make more sense.
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in real life history, the best uranium available in the world in 1939 was apparently from the katanga region of the congo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkolobwe  apparently the mine had incredibly high purity uranium ore: quote:Our best source, the Shinkolobwe mine, represented a freak occurrence in nature. It contained a tremendously rich lode of uranium pitchblende. Nothing like it has ever again been found. The ore already in the United States [shipped from Shinkolobwe] contained 65 percent U3O8, while the pitchblende aboveground in the Congo amounted to a thousand tons of 65 percent ore, and the waste piles of ore contained two thousand tons of 20 percent U3O8. To illustrate the uniqueness of Sengier's stockpile, after the war the MED and the AEC considered ore containing three-tenths of 1 percent as a good find. sengier was the belgian in charge of this poo poo, which is creepy, but what's cool is that when the manhattan project got around to asking him if he knew where any uranium was he was like 'i brought 1000 tons here two years ago, it's been sitting in a warehouse in staten island, what took you so long to find me' anyway, the khedive probably has shinkolobwe, so that's good
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oystertoadfish posted:in real life history, the best uranium available in the world in 1939 was apparently from the katanga region of the congo: I'm sure this timeline's Congo Free State analogue, which has operated without any imperial oversight for decades (and as far as I know hasn't received close to as much scrutiniy or flak for their behavior) sitting on the world's best uranium supplies is gonna turn out great for people.
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Randarkman posted:I'm sure this timeline's Congo Free State analogue, which has operated without any imperial oversight for decades (and as far as I know hasn't received close to as much scrutiniy or flak for their behavior) sitting on the world's best uranium supplies is gonna turn out great for people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVUiFUJakk0
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Randarkman posted:I'm sure this timeline's Congo Free State analogue, which has operated without any imperial oversight for decades (and as far as I know hasn't received close to as much scrutiniy or flak for their behavior) sitting on the world's best uranium supplies is gonna turn out great for people. It's going to turn out fine because despite what you may have heard from the Domination of the Draka, resource exploitation doesn't actually turn into sustainable wealth (see: KSA, Venezuela, all of Latin America, Iberia under the Romans, etc). It's unlikely the Khedivate has the kind of technical proficiency to develop nuclear weapons.
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