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Cycloneman posted:It's going to turn out fine because despite what you may have heard from the Domination of the Draka, resource exploitation doesn't actually turn into sustainable wealth (see: KSA, Venezuela, all of Latin America, Iberia under the Romans, etc). It's unlikely the Khedivate has the kind of technical proficiency to develop nuclear weapons. I wasn't really thinking of the Khedivate developing nuclear weapons. I was more thinking of what lengths the Khedivate might go to in order to acquire uranium to sell to a state that wants to develop nuclear weapons. Which got me thinking that maybe several of the majors having focuses to develop nuclear weapons that are dependent on good relations with or having subjugated the Khedivate, which would for instance then open up a focus tree branch for the Khedivate to develop intensive uranium mining operations, which could then net nuclear tech discounts for their trade partner/overlord and civilian factories (to represent trade) for the Khedivate. If balanced against the normal nuclear focuses (by being potentially faster), this could be a little bit interesting.
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Finsint Al-Ubwassumi, if I could be in some sort of cultural/propaganda office or something that would be great, otherwise, officer is fine.
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Alwan al-Almania the IVth shall keep the torch lit for the Ulemma in the Islamic Republic of Ibriz.
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Snipee posted:This is so exciting to hear. Why would the Japanese target Usturaliya before India though? If they want to reverse what happened with the Treaty of Edo, recreating the Japanese Raj seems to make more sense. They can go for either one, but it doesn't really matter because both India and Usturaliya are colonies/dominions of Morocco, so going to war with either means going to war with all of them. vyelkin posted:I think if the liberals win in Germany there could be an option for a Molotov-Ribbentrop-style pact between Iberia and France, where the two agree not to interfere in a few minor interventions (something along the lines of France annexing Scotland and the two partitioning Occitania) and then keep the peace while France invades Germany and Iberia invades Morocco (with Benin and Egypt as allies, maybe). With of course an inevitable betrayal by one side or the other. This will be an option early on, one that the AI will very rarely pick, but the thread is a different matter. Other mutually-exclusive options will include pursuing an alliance with the Balkan Federation, trying to form an unholy pact with Morocco, or immediately going very aggro and absorbing nearby socialist states into our own empire.
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Any chance of an independent Poland if Russia were to lose the war? I love rooting for Poland across Paradox LP's although most of the time it ends in tears. I don't know how HOI works, but could I be a Polish general in the Russian army, Franciszek Ryba if it's not too much bother.
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RubricMarine posted:Out of curiosity, Hashim, what are you looking for at the moment? Like, you said you were looking for something in Africa until that Khedivate/Benin thing, are there any other areas that need a spark? The regions that don't have anything going atm are the Central Asian steppes, the smaller Gharbian states, the Caribbean, Albionoria (apart from possibly joining Francia) and Southeast Asia (that's all just colonies though, so it's fine). Any smaller scale stuff for North Africa and the Middle East would also be great.
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fish and chips and dip posted:Any chance of an independent Poland if Russia were to lose the war? I love rooting for Poland across Paradox LP's although most of the time it ends in tears. I don't know how HOI works, but could I be a Polish general in the Russian army, Franciszek Ryba if it's not too much bother. Sure, I can imagine Francia setting up buffer states along its border with Russia if they win the war, and Poland would probably one of those.
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Hashim posted:The regions that don't have anything going atm are the Central Asian steppes, the smaller Gharbian states, the Caribbean, Albionoria (apart from possibly joining Francia) and Southeast Asia (that's all just colonies though, so it's fine). Any smaller scale stuff for North Africa and the Middle East would also be great. Albionoria’s main goal seems like it would be establishing a greater New Irish homeland by cutting down New England and taking back all the lands once owned by Irish colonies. I could see a path that sees Albionoria approaching other powers on the continent for real or material support and funding Nemni Sund separatists in New England’s majority Irish territories. If Albionoria manages to succeed in all these goals before the end of the game, you could have it try to overthrow the communist regime in Ireland and establish a puppet Celtic Union, eventually bringing it into conflict with Francia. Waono is a bit hard but, seeing as it is surrounded by a hostile fascist power, I could see it abandoning its isolationism and lobbying for inclusion in Morocco’s monarchist alliance. Letting Morocco decide whether it accepts Waono could be an early game event that determines whether the monarchists take a hostile approach to Francia or whether it acquiesces to its rise. You could possibly pull the same kind of thing with Panama by having its dictator try to align with Francia/Berber Union/New England, forcing them to decide whether they want their bloc to risk in direct conflict with the communists or lose all the goodies that come with controlling the Canal. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Feb 8, 2019 |
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The big tension in the Middle East relies on where Crusader Egypt will fall, whether aligning with Morocco or Russia. I feel like Russia makes the most sense from a real-politik standpoint as well as natural history but it requires them to commit to essentially allowing the Suez to continue as it is. This is actually really interesting as Egypt becomes the reason that Morocco and Russia don't naturally align and there can be a lot of tensions over this. Egypt wants the Suez back, and the only way they can get it is by playing nice with the Vali Emirate and Morocco and the rest of the Monarchist League. However, they might decide that taking Libya and joining the liberals under Russia is better for their survival if Morocco and Russia are aligned. I think an early event or decision to create a crisis over the Suez would keep things interesting and tense, where if Egypt is forced by a Morocco/Russia alliance to concede the point (instead of aligning with Morocco solely to take it), there's a good chance of fascist ideology taking root and maybe flipping them towards Francia, which fits with their national character as compared to communist influence. Khwarezm makes for a natural and useful ally for Russia early on. Their choices I think align kind of with the above. If Egypt and Morocco decide to push the Suez crisis, then it makes sense for them to look west towards Baghdad and Azerbaijan, which are natural allies in Morocco's monarchist league, as well as south towards India. If Russia and Morocco align, then they may focus on Afghanistan and creating puppets/annexing the Central Asian minors. Anatolia is another crisis point in general: Russia would be a natural ally for them, like Egypt, but Tsargrad makes for a really interesting point. I think to counterbalance Crusader Egypt's possible slide into fascism, it would make sense for the progression for Anatolia to be weighted towards communism. They should have an option to stay independent and attempt to annex Georgia and Azerbaijan and thus start poo poo with the monarchists or liberals, or to become a puppet of the Balkan Federation in order to reclaim Greece, thus slanting them to start an issue with the fascist bloc. Georgia already being a communist dictatorship should factor into some events here, I think, as a possible reason why communist influence is stronger in the region and for Anatolia's slant towards that. Of course, that would only happen if Anatolia backs down from challenging Russia and has to align with the Balkan Federation if Russia aligns with Morocco. If Russia and Morocco go at loggerheads, I think Anatolia would repeat previous patterns of aligning with the Vali and Morocco to try and reclaim the Bosporous for themselves.
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Hashim posted:The regions that don't have anything going atm are the Central Asian steppes, the smaller Gharbian states, the Caribbean, Albionoria (apart from possibly joining Francia) and Southeast Asia (that's all just colonies though, so it's fine). Any smaller scale stuff for North Africa and the Middle East would also be great. The smaller Gharbian states should definitely have something about banding together and/or finding foreign supporters to try and break out of the Berber continental hegemony (which could potentially be a main driver for how the Union decides which team to play for/strike out on its own). I like the idea of the Caribb being pushed by its huge base of exiles to get more involved in reclaiming Europe for nobility. Middle East could have some early conflicts around Bedouin nomads in the border deserts doing low level resistance against the foreign occupiers, maybe have a revolter state pop up made out of chunks of Vali when the King tries to centralize/cement power before expanding out? I forget the longer history of the steepes, but some religious/nomadic unification movement that could act as a potential pivot point for wars in the region wouldn't be terrible.
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Hashim posted:and Southeast Asia (that's all just colonies though, so it's fine) Well, if the wars go on too long it would make sense for independence movements to emerge. French Not-Australia might want to forge their own destiny away from European squabbles if France is doing poorly. Or Japan could try to forge a Pacific faction by putting pro-Japan puppets in power down there.
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QuoProQuid posted:Albionoria’s main goal seems like it would be establishing a greater New Irish homeland by cutting down New England and taking back all the lands once owned by Irish colonies. I could see a path that sees Albionoria approaching other powers on the continent for real or material support and funding Nemni Sund separatists in New England’s majority Irish territories. Yeah, I think I'll just give Albionoria some focuses giving them wargoals against New England, I doubt that the AI will actually use them until NE are already embroiled in a world war (at which point they probably will be too). Panama will be in an interesting position, as a former core province of Ibriz that was partitioned away by New England, so yeah I think I'll use them as a crisis point between the great powers of the west. Tricky Dick Nixon posted:The big tension in the Middle East relies on where Crusader Egypt will fall, whether aligning with Morocco or Russia. I feel like Russia makes the most sense from a real-politik standpoint as well as natural history but it requires them to commit to essentially allowing the Suez to continue as it is. The Middle East will probably have its own self-contained Gulf War early into the game, to address the rising tensions between Vali and Khwarezm, with Egypt and a couple of the Great Powers possibly intervening later in the line. And yeah, Egypt will have to make a choice between Russia and Francia, but I see them leaning more towards the latter thanks to their territorial rivalries with both Russia (who control Suez) and Morocco (who control the source of the White Nile), so there' s a few interesting war-sparks I could add in there. Those are some good ideas for Anatolia, they'll be quite weak at the start of the game, but there's no reason for them to stay that way.
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How are the relations between Mongolia, Yereven, and the three Khannates? Does it make sense for the disparate countries to have an event where they are given a choice of forming an alliance or union to better defend themselves against Russia and Japan? They are sandwiched between two Great Powers during an age of aggressive imperialism. The rebirth of the ancient Xiongnu Confederation would be a glorious thing to witness in Central/East Asia. 
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i'm not sure how the ideologies and borders line up but one thing for Central Asia might be a kind of belated Great Game where Russia tries to puppet/ally with Afghanistan et al. in order to invade Moroccan India. usually it seems like paradox games underestimate logistical difficulties, so this might be more realistic than it really was in real life! edit: oh poo poo, i also forgot that the sindh is controlled by russia already! they can just sail straight from odessa to karachi. game on, motherfuckers   the ideology map seems to indicate that khwarezm would be happy to help russia, even though maybe they don' t need it. in addition to india, russia could use khwarezm to meddle in Central Asia on the one hand and the Middle East on the other  and just so it's here, the political map. the comrades in provencal africa are in trouble i think editedit: upon overly close inspection, it looks like russia does own odessa, but i think the border with the balkan federation is on the dniester, only 50km sw of odessa. i bet they have an arrangement to work through sevastopol, though it seems like russia does not control the dardanelles. moreover, the european side is held by communists and the asian side is held by fascists! what the hell is gonna happen there? honestly i feel like if russia could take out constantinople it probably would've grabbed both sides of the sea of marmara, but right now the map says commies and fascists will be shooting at each other across the dardanelles while also shooting any russian ships that try to go through maybe greece and the balkan federation could both decide whether or not they want to approach russia with a deal? if i was either of them, i'd start with "we'll give you our side of the dardanelles, and after we win you get their side and we get [the rest of greece is an easier target, and russia probably fears frangleterre more than it fears any of the communist countries, so hopefully that means we can get a ww2-style liberal democracy/communism alliance going. if we don't gently caress it up, though, the balkan federation wlil oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Feb 9, 2019 |
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Maybe the Mongol Empire might attack westward? The mongols did have a lot of dealings with China (including being one of the contenders to BE China before there was one), but the Mongol state has its origins in western Asia that it could harken to. I'm curious as to what Francia's plans would be with its colonies. They don't really fit in with the grand scheme to revive the Carolingian Empire, and they might not even be well-enough integrated into the European political chain to be fully onboard with the current leadership in Paris. They could be hotbeds of rebellion and independence movements, Francia could just sell them off to potential allies to make way for its grand design like Napoleon, or even local governors could take their own initiative to expand on their own like the Khedive. That's a lot of territory to mess with. I'd at least like for there to be some kind of fight over that mess in and around Australia. Those borders are to ugly to live, they need some manifest destiny. Maybe Usturaliya will push off the fascists. Maybe French colonial armies will get antsy and cause some kind of diplomatic incident between Francia and Morocco. And oh hey, is the Cedi Empire the same state that Al Andalus fought with to carve out its own colonial India? Maybe it and Bengal might have some interesting relations. Waono is a bizarre state that is somehow still stuck in CK2. I'm sure it'd be happy if it could maintain isolation, but its fate probably lies in the hands of the French and Ibrizi. It could have a mission to modernize, but that should probably bring the dangers of nobility fracturing the state to maintain power or serfs uprising. Oh god, and the Pope's still independent. That's going to make things real weird. Him and Liege are probably close.
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I could see Cascadia being a place where Anglo-French dissidents have been going for a long time, considering what a backwater it must be for both the Dual Monarchy and the Frankish state. Once the fascists get going with one war or another maybe they could break away with New English help? Also I bet Scandinavia will want to absorb that tiny rump Denmark, as well.
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Since other passive observers are jumping in I suppose I will. The Bavarian gentleman Otto von Schattenburg will Fight for Germany! Probably the liberals cause socialism doesn't seem to lead to a long life-span for Noblemen, and gently caress even fictional fascism.
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For the Caribbean, there could maybe be an option for the Morrocans to reach out and ally with the Hishamis in Jamaica and, if they somehow gain victory (i.e. by player intervention because it's unlikely to happen any other way) restore them to power in Ibriz.
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MinistryofLard posted:For the Caribbean, there could maybe be an option for the Morrocans to reach out and ally with the Hishamis in Jamaica and, if they somehow gain victory (i.e. by player intervention because it's unlikely to happen any other way) restore them to power in Ibriz. Good idea, I could give Morocco a focus to expand their influence in the Caribbean by allying with Jamaica, and maybe do something similar with the Berber Union and the Qarbiyan islands. And with Taghzir starting as a puppet of New England, that should drag the rest of the Caribbean into any potential conflicts involving those three great powers. Soup du Jour posted:I could see Cascadia being a place where Anglo-French dissidents have been going for a long time, considering what a backwater it must be for both the Dual Monarchy and the Frankish state. Once the fascists get going with one war or another maybe they could break away with New English help? I keep forgetting Denmark exists, so yeah that needs to be fixed.
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Snipee posted:How are the relations between Mongolia, Yereven, and the three Khannates? Does it make sense for the disparate countries to have an event where they are given a choice of forming an alliance or union to better defend themselves against Russia and Japan? They are sandwiched between two Great Powers during an age of aggressive imperialism. Mongolia and Yereven have decent relations, so they could potentially form an alliance, but the Mongols aren't really pals with the western khanates (they took about half of Kazakh's territory in the last couple years of vicky).
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SlothfulCobra posted:I'm curious as to what Francia's plans would be with its colonies. They don't really fit in with the grand scheme to revive the Carolingian Empire, and they might not even be well-enough integrated into the European political chain to be fully onboard with the current leadership in Paris. They could be hotbeds of rebellion and independence movements, Francia could just sell them off to potential allies to make way for its grand design like Napoleon, or even local governors could take their own initiative to expand on their own like the Khedive. That's a lot of territory to mess with. This makes sense, but I don't think even a continental-focused Great Power would be willing to sell off their colonies and all the resources that come with it, so I think I'll draw up a couple events for rising tensions between Francia and Indochina instead, and we can see where it goes from there.
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I'm totally rooting for making amends with our fellow communists and then spreading the revolution across the Mediterranean. Preferably starting with Narbuna and Palermo.
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Morrocco's equivalent of the deal with the devil event chain is making an agreement with the Jizrunids, who are still hanging out in Malta hoping everyone has forgotten about them.
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Hashim posted:Mongolia and Yereven have decent relations, so they could potentially form an alliance, but the Mongols aren't really pals with the western khanates (they took about half of Kazakh's territory in the last couple years of vicky). Well, if the western khanates won’t join by choice, they could still be re-absorbed by force with war goals. Depending on Russia’s relations with the Mongols, I don’t know how much their democratic government would be concerned about the Kazakh’s sovereignty. The only khanate that they might ideologically sympathize with would be the constitutional monarchy of the Nogai Kingdom. The other two khanates are absolute monarchies dominated by reactionaries. The biggest issue I can imagine with the Mongolians formally unifying with Yerevan would be that Yerevan has a much larger population. An alliance does make more sense than recreating an ancient confederation. Hashim posted:I keep forgetting Denmark exists, so yeah that needs to be fixed. Speaking of rump states, is anyone going to try and finish off the Koreans in their tiny island hideout? I don’t even remember when their free state came into existence.
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Snipee posted:Speaking of rump states, is anyone going to try and finish off the Koreans in their tiny island hideout? I don’t even remember when their free state came into existence. They were released when Japan's empire was dismantled at the end of their big war, but yeah, Japan will be able to nab them for free early on.
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Soup du Jour posted:I could see Cascadia being a place where Anglo-French dissidents have been going for a long time, considering what a backwater it must be for both the Dual Monarchy and the Frankish state. Once the fascists get going with one war or another maybe they could break away with New English help? I could see Cascadia making a breakaway from the Franks with New English assistance, especially if they promise to assist in wars against Albionoria and whichever Ibriz comes out victorious. The way Gharbia takes sides in the war will likely depend on whether New England is more afraid of Fascists or Communists, and which Ibriz comes out ahead.
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Yeah I think Cascadia is really kind of a great unknown in this world. We've never actually been given a close look at that part of the world since it's been pretty quiet. Makes me wonder what it looks like in terms of pop density, ethnicity, politics etc. An independence movement there does make sense though.
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Rodyle posted:Please give stupid bonuses, events, and decisions to Iceland As a Jan Mayen state we receive several bonuses
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Rodyle posted:Please give stupid bonuses, events, and decisions to Iceland vyelkin posted:As a Jan Mayen state we receive several bonuses Given the poverty and isolation of iceland prior to the mid-late 20th century and the unique demographics of Jan Mayan I think they deserve a special economic option: Bear Necessities.
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crimea posted:Yeah I think Cascadia is really kind of a great unknown in this world. We've never actually been given a close look at that part of the world since it's been pretty quiet. Makes me wonder what it looks like in terms of pop density, ethnicity, politics etc. An independence movement there does make sense though. I can definitely imagine a cultural divergence growing between European French and Gharbian French over the past century, so there's probably some separatist sentiments, but the region's not very densely populated. Even Waono, which has about half a million pops, is more densely-populated that Francia's Gharbian possessions.
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Hashim posted:I can definitely imagine a cultural divergence growing between European French and Gharbian French over the past century, so there's probably some separatist sentiments, but the region's not very densely populated. Even Waono, which has about half a million pops, is more densely-populated that Francia's Gharbian possessions. I would imagine that the interior is filled with a bunch of dissenters and rabid individualists, but not the types that would like to organize with each other. Culturally I’m imagining the stereotypes of the American mountain west turned up to 11—a lot of people who came their to live off the land and not really get involved with other people and their garrotes/hellwars/sweatshops.
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Hashim posted:I can definitely imagine a cultural divergence growing between European French and Gharbian French over the past century, so there's probably some separatist sentiments, but the region's not very densely populated. Even Waono, which has about half a million pops, is more densely-populated that Francia's Gharbian possessions. I was wondering about that. Those areas are very sparsely populated in the real world too. If anyone was dissatisfied with the turn their national politics took, they could just walk off into the wilderness and it'd be years before Paris noticed. Hell, they could go into open revolt and go at least a month with no shots fired but a couple of angry boxes of dildos. If this was a century earlier, that sparseness would be enough for encroaching settlers to just kinda take it even if the home country didn't sell it for a quick buck, but now we're hitting the point where oil gives it value. Valuable enough to keep, but also valuable enough to steal.
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I imagine that the core of Cascadia is probably Vancouver Island, which serves as both a defensible position from other countries and a nice middle between the extremes of Las Vegas and the Aleutian islands. Though there are obvious signs of colonial administration in the capital, the fact that it's been there since the 1600s and on the other end of the earth would suggest to me that the central government is fairly hands off in daily governance and grants a lot of latitude to the locals. The bulk of the territory is probably a network of military outposts, minor settlements, and tribal lands where French rule is more theoretical than actual. If Vancouver announced it was seceding, I doubt it would be felt in alt-Idaho for months. Any French soldiers there are probably bored out of their minds. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Feb 11, 2019 |
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