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wedgekree posted:So the Allies lost ~ 5000 men, 4 or so DE escorts.. Disabled during the strike. Will most likely be destroyed after reaching the bottom of the sea.
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Mans posted:Disabled during the strike. Will most likely be destroyed after reaching the bottom of the sea. Technically, the engine on that tank isn't hydrolocked yet.
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Is the AI even in range for a nuclear strike? I don't know how WitP models that.
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wiegieman posted:Is the AI even in range for a nuclear strike? I don't know how WitP models that. Realistically Australia is in range for a B-29 group to strike from and is fairly safe from any sort of attack (rather than, say, Grey raiding Port Moresby if B-17's are based from there). The thing is that Japan has fairly significant air defenses rather than them having been beaten down to essnentially nothing and I'm assuming at this point Japan has planes that can at least contest long range air raids since that's well beyond the range of escort fighters. I don't think the USAAF would want to risk having the atom bomb bomber shot down so they wouldn't want to launch unil they had air superiority. So probably not unti the war in Europe is over and there have been mass transfers of assets to the Pacific from Europe. Even then the Allies don't have great forward bases setup and it's winter 1945. Reinforcing Australia is stil lhit and miss as Rabaul is intact and the IJN regularly does surface raids. some of the smaller islands that the Allies have taken will take time to be fully built up - even if they're large enough for it. Even the massive reinforcement swarms the Allies are getting are still going to be based out of India and Australia. Grey's invasion of India wll at least throw a mass panic into the place that should delay things further - the Americans would realistically senda ton of stuff from Europe down there rather ethan through the Pacific. Realistically that would gain him a few extra months oddly enough.
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Will the game just 'end' on a date or wait to model a Japanese surrender?
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Horsebanger posted:Japanese surrender? Emperor Grey, I have found a volunteer for the kamikaze program.
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   Down comes a Liberator.  As I suspected, there is prey down here.  Even destroyers have scary flak nowadays.  Shame none of these have any troops on them.   Another 100 point gain.  Only one kill today.  This is my current carrier setup, for those who are interested.
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Do you still have ships under construction? It looks like you've already built most of the Unryus that you can get in the game.
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Just DDs and CAs for escort? Is everything else in your surface raiding group?
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Most battleships are still under repair.
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Feb 8, 2019 07:42
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Taiho should be playing with the big n' fast crew.
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mllaneza posted:Taiho should be playing with the big n' fast crew. Thats more to keep my stacking limits down.
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   No! Bad Bettys!  These guys are enjoying air support for once.  This is almost exactly what I wanted. I can't the Allied getting ready to island hop – shame the ships are nearly empty!  That's the sound of the latest commander in the Pacific putting a gun to his head.  Once more a pilot in a dying plane gives his life to cripple an enemy ship.  1945. I should not be doing this in 1945.   We come off worse for once in Burma.  As they cart the body of the latests failed PACOM from his office, I laugh maniacally.  14 new hulks lie at the bottom of the sea.
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Feb 8, 2019 19:17
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How many APs do the Allies have? This has to put a dent in things after a while, right?
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Feb 8, 2019 20:21
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Both APs sunk were from the same class (General G. O. Squier) of which 30 were built. It's likely there are other classes.
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Feb 8, 2019 20:27
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At this point the continental US has to be in civil war
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Literally the only time I pleaded for an update to just stop already. A hell of a snuff film today
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Cantorsdust posted:How many APs do the Allies have? This has to put a dent in things after a while, right? The allies get a lot of APs and (more importantly) APAs, but not that many-probably several dozen total over the course of the game across the various classes. Grey has been sinking them fairly steadily. These are by far the best ships for carrying out amphibious assaults. There is definitely a dent, but it’s not like the allies are crippled by this, and the AI doesn’t know how to use those ships effectively anyway.
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The APD is also a nice little tool the AI will never use properly.
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Welp there goes the Sammy B, just another ship sunk by the IJN in this timeline rather than her glorious death charge in ours.
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Wasn't the Samuel B. Roberts one of the ships in real life Taffy-3 ? Edit: Ninja'd
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God, what a slaughter. MacArthur must've coup'd the government by now in this timeline.
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Zeroisanumber posted:God, what a slaughter. MacArthur must've coup'd the government by now in this timeline.
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Reuben Sandwich posted:With what army backing him up? 
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I may be wrong, but i was told that the Allies would have such a naval superiority over time that Japanese naval victories would have to be absolutely one sided to matter. While Grey had some incredible victories, he also lost some really important ships, yet it seems that outside of convoys, we haven't found much outside of sporadic fleets. Where are all the big ships???
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Mans posted:Where are all the big ships??? The World Wonders.
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All the world wonders! And Grey still has two intact carrier forces - one of which is all heavies and fast ones so he can contest things if he has to -and- he has reserve carriers he can put in to rotate if he takes casualties. So, he has lost a lot of important stuff but he can still contest effectively if he avoids running into the massed USN. And for where they are.. Well, they should have like 15 or so Essexes by now..
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Mans posted:I may be wrong, but i was told that the Allies would have such a naval superiority over time that Japanese naval victories would have to be absolutely one sided to matter. Apparently one problem is that the AI doesn't know how to force concentrate. It decides on a mission and then just collects random ships in a port until it has the right number, then sends them out. So you get like a carrier strike force with two CVEs, an amphibious landing group with one light cruiser, and then 15 Essexes defending the Aleutians.
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7 February 1945 It's been five days since the last loss, attributed to USS Besugo. Today's is practically a repeat: escort No. 53, torpedoed by Besugo in Camranh Bay.
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vyelkin posted:Apparently one problem is that the AI doesn't know how to force concentrate. It decides on a mission and then just collects random ships in a port until it has the right number, then sends them out. So you get like a carrier strike force with two CVEs, an amphibious landing group with one light cruiser, and then 15 Essexes defending the Aleutians. Also the AI will pick a grand strategy and stay at it for far too long if it's not working. In OTL the Allies never tried to invade Rabaul, they cut it off from support and island hopped and went along the north side of New Guinea to the Philippines. In this game the AI Allies have tried to directly invade Rabaul several times, including the Iowa / Musashi knife fight that was at the end of a very bad day for Allied invasion forces. Grey's Cruiser wolf pack has been a major thorn in the side of the Allies. CannonFodder fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Feb 9, 2019 |
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CannonFodder posted:Also the AI will pick a grand strategy and stay at it for far too long if it's not working. In OTL the Allies never tried to invade Rabaul, they cut it off from support and island hopped and went along the north side of New Guinea to the Philippines. In this game the AI Allies have tried to directly invade Rabaul several times, including the Iowa / Musashi knife fight that was at the end of a very bad day for Allied invasion forces. Grey's Cruiser wolf pack has been a major thorn in the side of the Allies. They tried to invade Rabaul with base forces/support troops. Multiple times. The AI seems like it can't even figure out sometimes what troops to use for invasions.
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wedgekree posted:They tried to invade Rabaul with base forces/support troops. Multiple times. The AI seems like it can't even figure out sometimes what troops to use for invasions. I think it's more that it can't stop. The BFs are the second/third waves meant to expand and run the base facilities, and the AI is incapable of calling them off when the first wave of actual combat troops is massacred.
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At the end of the game, does the fog of war lift? That way we can see what the ships were up to?
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Donkringel posted:At the end of the game, does the fog of war lift? That way we can see what the ships were up to? No. you can only see the japanese side even at the end. You can take any savegame and load it as the allies. The ships are normally still in the ports, the CVE's at Tacoma, the fleetcarrriers at Pearl and the britisch ships in ceylon or off map. The AI script follows a sequence of scripted events, when conditions are not met for one event, the follow up event might be postponed as well. I this game Grey has destroyed many of the combat formations, which are not re surrected by the AI (the human player can resurrect these and units). If you want more action in 1945 a human player should take over the allied side and resurrect the units and move the ships/planes
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Perhaps he should raid the Australian mainland, Ceylon or the US mainland? Can he send the aircraft submarines to attack Panama?
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barman posted:If you want more action in 1945 a human player should take over the allied side and resurrect the units and move the ships/planes Actually, that might be a nice change- if Grey got a week or so ahead of the present day and was able to send the save to someone who knows WITP and who could at least fix all the fuckups in American organization and logistics so that they could then send the save back to Grey who would have to face a slightly less stupid AI who can't do anything.
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Only if the Allied player has never played the game before and only has a cursory understanding of the interface. Nothing would be less interesting than to watch an experienced player with access to a bunch more resources roll over a self-admitted just OK one.
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