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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

No. Not the mind power. :geno:

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Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Like, do you remember the Third Doctor's reaction to the Brig's solution for the Silurians?

It wasn't uproarious applause

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

TinTower posted:

No. Not the mind power. :geno:

Hell, I wouldn't shoot Sylvester McCoy either

Your Boy Fancy
Feb 7, 2003

by Cyrano4747
When RetroTV airs The Happiness Patrol, it actually cuts half of the Throw Away Your Gun speech out. Like, as soon as the Doctor tells the sniper to shut up, it’s a smash cut to commercial, then we’re back in the Candy Kitchen. It’s weird. Because that scene is probably the most important scene in the story, possibly McCoy’s whole tenure.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
If you watch a McCoy story after something from the Moffat era, you can see the parallels. Making the Doctor Not Just Another Time Lord might've been a bit too much when there were plenty of Time Lords running about, but when the Doctor's the only one it works unquestionably.

Maelstache
Feb 25, 2013

gOTTA gO fAST

marktheando posted:

I really really hate the Three is a Tory take. Since when did a Tory do anything to help anyone? Three is kind and compassionate and wise, the total opposite of conservative ideology.

I'd say between Malcolm Hulke and Barry Letts it was probably the most left-leaning era in the show's history.

Although saying that I think Dicks was a bit more conservative and I don't really know anything about Bob Holmes' politics, other than his frustration with the Tax Office.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Holmes' vegetarianism comes up in The Two Doctors, and stories like The Power of Kroll have a strong anti-colonial element.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
Peter Capaldi has at least 3 pro-vegetarian lines, all in Moffat-written episodes. Probably a coincidence(they go along with appeals to moral relativism eg "or do you think your bacon sandwich loves you back") but 3 separate instances makes me wonder if it's been on someone's mind

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Maelstache posted:

I'd say between Malcolm Hulke and Barry Letts it was probably the most left-leaning era in the show's history.

Hell, by the end they were basically flat out saying,"Buddhism is the best, Buddhism #1."

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica
I've finally been listening to Scratchman, taking my time with it more than I meant to so I'm barely half way through, and it's really good so far. The set up is creepy, there are some nice turns of phrase in the prose that set the scene, and Tom's narration is absolutely delightful. His cadence and the use of first-person really feel like he's right there, The Doctor, telling you this story.

Once it starts to get into exploring the scarecrow monsters a bit more it also gets into a bit of a feeling of

The kind of horror I'd like to see from the Cybermen. Like to dissonance of leftover identity in this passage here:

"She remembered these things, but she didn't feel any of those memories. They were all dull, faded like the pattern of a too washed plate."

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Holmes' vegetarianism comes up in The Two Doctors, and stories like The Power of Kroll have a strong anti-colonial element.

the power of kroll sure is something

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Slaapaav posted:

the power of kroll sure is something

"Hey we hired Philip Madoc!"
"Awesome, what super cool villain is he playing this time?"
"Oh no. His character is just some dude who happens to be around."

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



https://twitter.com/Pascalwho/status/1094534304816906240

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
If you're not mad about Gareth Roberts' virulent transphobia I don't trust you.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

not everyone is aware of the same things you are

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Maelstache posted:

I don't really know anything about Bob Holmes' politics, other than his frustration with the Tax Office.

Sounds like somebody needs to watch "Caves of Androzani" again. :colbert:

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Dabir posted:

not everyone is aware of the same things you are

For example I'm not aware of why there's an option to be mad about Clara when from other options it looks like the shirt was designed at least 2 years after she left the show

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

Hell, by the end they were basically flat out saying,"Buddhism is the best, Buddhism #1."

Colony in Space is basically "capitalism is bad and here's why we should embrace socialism/Communism" with Three and Jo running around in it. Which isn't all that surprising when you realize that Malcolm Hulke was a member of the British Communist Party in his younger days.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
HULKE SMASH CAPITALISM

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

DoctorWhat posted:

If you're not mad about Gareth Roberts' virulent transphobia I don't trust you.

Yeah it's a true bummer, I'd loved his Virgin novels and a lot of his episodes in the past but now it's like taking a big long whiff of spoiled milk. My partner and I have been rewatching all of the Moffat era and when we got to The Lodger I was like, uh, I have some bad news.

Pocky In My Pocket
Jan 27, 2005

Giant robots shouldn't fight!






i got a compendium of short stories about missy on a whim and have found it an enjoyable read. she kills a boris johnson stand-in.

its sometimes a little too twee but its fun and also i think strikes a good balance of her being bad but also the protagonist

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Gareth Roberts is mostly a Graham Linehan situation, where like, I'm not going to stop enjoying Black Books just because it turns out Linehan is a huge bigot, and I'll probably still like the Roberts episodes of Doctor Who that I liked before, but neither of them should be given any work now, and there will be a vague sourness that makes everything they touched less enjoyable than it was. It's different than, say, Tambor and Arrested Development, because Tambor's character is written to be abusive in the way that he actually is, in the real world, and it's throughout the whole show, which makes it really, really hard to watch anymore.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Also I'll never get the "None of the above" checkbox because I'm always a little bit mad about the missing episodes. :(

Power of the Daleks!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Heh, imagine being mad about any of those things on that shirt other than Gareth Roberts. Heh, loving nerds, they're so laWAIT THERE'S NO ST. JOHN AMBULANCE LOGO ON THE CURRENT TARDIS!?! :supaburn:

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Pocky In My Pocket posted:

i got a compendium of short stories about missy on a whim and have found it an enjoyable read. she kills a boris johnson stand-in.

its sometimes a little too twee but its fun and also i think strikes a good balance of her being bad but also the protagonist

Holy poo poo this would actually be a great direction for the next iteration of the Master - 12's lessons actually got through, and the Master has given up on the megalomania and tyranny and destruction for its own sake, having come to see the beauty of life, all the while remaining the same homicidal maniac. So the Master's new jam is making sure that the little people are safe and protected, but they achieve it through murder, vigilantism, iconoclasm, sparking hyper-violent revolution etc etc - achieving noble ends through often atrocious means.

Such a Master would have some great conflict with 13 too. I can imagine that their first meeting would have 13 + co infiltrating some gigantic bloody operation responsible for tens of thousands of deaths all the way to the top, only to discover that the Master is in charge, but instead of shooting a disruptor at the Doctor, the Master gives her a gigantic hug - "I'm so glad you're here!"


Let the casting begin.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

CommonShore posted:

So the Master's new jam is making sure that the little people are safe and protected, but they achieve it through murder, vigilantism, iconoclasm, sparking hyper-violent revolution etc etc - achieving noble ends through often atrocious means.

Even though she didn't do it for particularly altruistic reasons, I like her casually explaining how she defeated the Monks when she came across one of their subjugated planets.

"Oh I just found patient zero and brutally murdered them, and the planet was saved :)"

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

CommonShore posted:

Let the casting begin.

Matt Berry. Matt Berry will always be my answer for Master casting, but he'd do this idea great.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

That reminds me, not only did I recently find out that they're making a tv series version of What We Do In The Shadows (if you haven't seen that movie, check it out, it's incredible), but Matt Berry is playing one of the vampires. It's going to be fantastic.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

CommonShore posted:

Let the casting begin.

Eddie Izzard.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
Also Matt Berry related - if you haven't already, watch the excellent Toast Of London to see Peter Davison as a beer swilling hooligan

Pocky In My Pocket
Jan 27, 2005

Giant robots shouldn't fight!






Pocky In My Pocket posted:

i got a compendium of short stories about missy on a whim and have found it an enjoyable read. she kills a boris johnson stand-in.

its sometimes a little too twee but its fun and also i think strikes a good balance of her being bad but also the protagonist

I just remembered that the story I mentioned also has a shout out to CGI snake

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
On the topic of Missy, I listened to her Big Finish boxset - Gomez is great in all of them, but the first story (where she becomes a victorian governess) has really wooden side-actors, and has interesting elements that don't really go anywhere - she's unable to use future tech, and unable to kill people, because she's being held captive by a time-travelling race who have pre-emptively punished her for crimes she'll comit against them in the future (or something).

The other story with Rufus Hound as the Monk as Henry VIII is pretty funny, and they bounce off each other very well, with a pretty great moment towards the end.

Catherine Parr: If you're really Henry, sing that song you wrote.
Monk (Nervous and flustered): Um...right, the song. That song right. ♪I'm Henry the eighth I am, Henry the eighth I am, I am-♪

The third one has a strange America's Most Wanted framing device, and goes into some real mind-gently caress territory, but is pretty good.

And the last one is kinda, meh. It's fine, but I was expecting something more.

It's all listenable, either way, though not as good as some of their other boxsets.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
have the fourteenth doctor be captain jack

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮

corn in the bible posted:

have the fourteenth doctor be captain jack

That kind of would end any further regenerations, wouldn't it?

Robert J. Omb
Dec 1, 2005
The 'J' stands for 'AAARRGH!'

I take it McGann only got to do adverts on the radio.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

I love that the show told us in big bold, glittery letters that Captain Jack is the Face of Boe and that Russell Davies continues to say "Well, maybe it's true, maybe it's not, you never know, there some hints."

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


It could also be fun to have a past companion actor take the role of the Master. Right now I'm imagining Catherine Tate laughing manically in a goatee.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Oh man, she'd be great as the Master, actually. Her kind of unapologetically loud, manic humor matches so well, and all you have to change is the dialogue to tilt it over to horrible and menacing.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Bicyclops posted:

Oh man, she'd be great as the Master, actually. Her kind of unapologetically loud, manic humor matches so well, and all you have to change is the dialogue to tilt it over to horrible and menacing.

But she needs a goatee.


In hindsight one of my favourite details about WEAT/The Doctor Falls is that they put Simms into the classic goatee.

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corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
What are peoples' favorite Big Finish stories?

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