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Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib

Dawgstar posted:

What came out about D'Orazio?

I don't think anything really came out about her, just that she was kind of a jerk too back in the comics blog days.

Largely the entire Sims thing was more or less a flash in the pan. If it is brought up occasionally it is by gators and progressive folk wanting to dunk on the big two.

Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Feb 9, 2019

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Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Dawgstar posted:

What came out about D'Orazio?

I don't know the specifics so I can't really speak on it more than other people saying she wasn't really a saint. Some short Googling suggests she had her own set of "feuds" around the same time as Sims' with her.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Also, she started going back to the well and got weirdly conspiracy theory about it. Like blaming Sims for her Cloak and Dagger miniseries getting cancelled years before he was even writing for Marvel. The reasoning was that the editor for that miniseries was on friendly terms with Sims... meaning the editor would sabotage his own project as a second-hand act of malice.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

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Endless Mike posted:

I don't know the specifics so I can't really speak on it more than other people saying she wasn't really a saint. Some short Googling suggests she had her own set of "feuds" around the same time as Sims' with her.

The thing I heard prior to the stuff Gavok described (which was actually supremely lovely because she roped a bunch of unknowing indie comics people into being her own army for that one) was "Hey you might notice that about the time she was calling out Chris Sims everyone at the big two was dropping her and it was guaranteed not to be because she had a piss fight with a comics blogger".

The big issue is now she basically waits for anytime she needs press and suddenly 'lets slip' the Sims thing again around someone who has enough of a voice to carry a torch for her. I've still lost a huge amount of respect for Spike for just hearing "SOMEONE PICKED ON A LADY, GET SOME PITCHFORKS" a year or two back and claiming it was all about how the Big Two keep women down and are an old boys club without doing a single shred of research.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

It's been interesting, not unlike watching gangrene spread, seeing ComicsGate congeal around defending sex pest and anime voice actor Vic Mignogna. People who'd talk smack about Japanese cartoons or, even worse, Japanese cartoons with people talking in English over them are now very very concerned about a man who's been a known harasser of teenage girls and just a general dick to con staff for a decade a half at least. Although with Vic being Broly in the DBZ movie I guess it's an easy way for chuds to keep their name in lights.

You've either got this or Ethan getting upset at a charity wanting to take girls to see Captain Marvel who couldn't go otherwise.

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Dawgstar posted:

It's been interesting, not unlike watching gangrene spread, seeing ComicsGate congeal around defending sex pest and anime voice actor Vic Mignogna. People who'd talk smack about Japanese cartoons or, even worse, Japanese cartoons with people talking in English over them are now very very concerned about a man who's been a known harasser of teenage girls and just a general dick to con staff for a decade a half at least. Although with Vic being Broly in the DBZ movie I guess it's an easy way for chuds to keep their name in lights.

You've either got this or Ethan getting upset at a charity wanting to take girls to see Captain Marvel who couldn't go otherwise.

The -gate community has been trying for a very long time to get Animegate started. Everything about Mignogna coming to light was unfortunately the excuse they needed to try and get it off the ground. Hopefully it gets swatted down quick though, considering just how many people and conventions and such are 100% against Vic at the moment.

I'm glad D&Dgate got wrecked before it had a chance to pick up any steam.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

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Vandar posted:

I'm glad D&Dgate got wrecked before it had a chance to pick up any steam.

If by that you mean tabletop, I got bad news, evil won in a lot of that industry years ago, although there's a loving flashpoint as of today as longtime abuser and repeatedly defended by White Wolf employee Zak S' longtime shield pulled receipts on the dude. Get ready for that to spill over.

I guess I should add a link for that. https://twitter.com/HoldenShearer/status/1094755474199756800

claw game handjob fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Feb 11, 2019

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

that's some intensely hosed up poo poo

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

END ME SCOOB posted:

If by that you mean tabletop, I got bad news, evil won in a lot of that industry years ago, although there's a loving flashpoint as of today as longtime abuser and repeatedly defended by White Wolf employee Zak S' longtime shield pulled receipts on the dude. Get ready for that to spill over.

I guess I should add a link for that. https://twitter.com/HoldenShearer/status/1094755474199756800

What is a CW? It's nigh-impossible to Google it thanks to the TV network.

E: but you can Google "Zak Sabbath" and whatever it is it's hardly shocking considering he's an ex-adult film worker who uses pictures of his "partners" in his art.

Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine
It's short for Content Warning.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Jedit posted:

What is a CW?
Content Warning.

What trigger warning used to mean before it got overused and misused.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Feb 11, 2019

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Vandar posted:

The -gate community has been trying for a very long time to get Animegate started. Everything about Mignogna coming to light was unfortunately the excuse they needed to try and get it off the ground. Hopefully it gets swatted down quick though, considering just how many people and conventions and such are 100% against Vic at the moment.

The only convention I've seen still back Vic is Anime Matsuri, which is also run by a known harasser of women (and enabled by his wife, who charmingly says "they should have said no") and the cherry on top is last year they had somebody walking around in a Nazi uniform until enough people finally said "what the hell?" Oh, sorry 'Nazi cosplay.' And now apparently another guy, Todd Haberkorn, also got called out for sexually assaulting Jessie Pridemore.

Jedit posted:

E: but you can Google "Zak Sabbath" and whatever it is it's hardly shocking considering he's an ex-adult film worker who uses pictures of his "partners" in his art.

Yeah, he ran the "D&D With Pornstars" podcast and parlayed that into being far too influential in table-top gaming. Women would also stage a walk-out of any awards ceremony he was invited to as far back as 2015, to tell you how long it went on. When Zak posted on RPG.net he just came off initially as the most bad faith poster you could imagine. Poster: "This seems kind of sexist." Zak: "Um, I play D&D with PORN STARS and they think it's fine to have it." Poster: "Yeah, but a lot of other women don't so maybe it's still sexist." Zak: "Um, excuse me, I take care of my disabled bisexual girlfriend and SHE thinks it's fine too." And eventually RPG.net just permanently banned him because who needs the hassle.

Then you'd get stuff like Zak running a harassment blog under an assumed name (it's a shtick of his, as you can tell by the post) and then quickly you got even worse stories, like one developer literally up and moving their family to Japan to get away from Zak's chuds. Unfortunately Zak had a rep for being 'edgy' and 'creative' and was even one of the consultants on the latest edition of D&D. Not that the head of the brand who hired him has said anything. Nor one of his friends, who's now Community Manager.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Jedit posted:

E: but you can Google "Zak Sabbath" and whatever it is it's hardly shocking considering he's an ex-adult film worker who uses pictures of his "partners" in his art.

Man, the porn and erotica industry is full of abuse but I still think that's painting with too broad a brush.

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013
This is tangentially comics related and definitely rightwing so uh here

https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/1094821561050324993

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

Dawgstar posted:

It's been interesting, not unlike watching gangrene spread, seeing ComicsGate congeal around defending sex pest and anime voice actor Vic Mignogna. People who'd talk smack about Japanese cartoons or, even worse, Japanese cartoons with people talking in English over them are now very very concerned about a man who's been a known harasser of teenage girls and just a general dick to con staff for a decade a half at least. Although with Vic being Broly in the DBZ movie I guess it's an easy way for chuds to keep their name in lights.

You've either got this or Ethan getting upset at a charity wanting to take girls to see Captain Marvel who couldn't go otherwise.

He's been having complaints against him for like a decade. Recently another voice actress came out and said that Vic grabbed her by the hair, forced her head back and whispered something sexual in her ear. She didn't report him because she didn't want to be blacklisted. This is one of dozens of accounts, but nope, these fuckers think that the guy shouldn't lose his job over mere "accusations."

Monaghan fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Feb 11, 2019

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



God I hope this is finally what takes EVS down:

https://twitter.com/fredtjoseph/status/1094997510849003522?s=21

mallratcal
Sep 10, 2003


Vince MechMahon posted:

God I hope this is finally what takes EVS down:


Yes please! It will be satisfying to see him eat poo poo. At the very least I'd like to see him cry about taking down some of his videos.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer

ryonguy posted:

This is tangentially comics related and definitely rightwing so uh here

https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/1094821561050324993

I don't know what this is saying? Is this the DC Titans? The cartoon, the comic, the live action series? Is it supposed to be about the mythological titans, which makes no sense, but idk?

What is this about?

EDIT: oh, nm i just remembered that anime thing with teh giant naked dudes, that's probably it

Viridiant
Nov 7, 2009

Big PP Energy
It's about Attack on Titan, a manga/anime.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤

ryonguy posted:

This is tangentially comics related and definitely rightwing so uh here

https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/1094821561050324993
It's a surface reading not really supported by the text. Yes, there's some loaded imagery the artist is using that's unfortunate. Spike has skimmed the wiki and not read the comic.

AoT is often adopted by right-wingers because it's set in a fascist kingdom, but it is not an endorsement of those values. The heroes overthrow the corrupt merchant class for the glorious motherland -- and then find the military coup they installed is identically vicious and corrupt.

Titans are an ethnic group sentenced to a living death by a foreign power, and all the protagonists are from the same ethnic group. The jewish-coded class are slaves kept in ghettoes by the ruling class of the mainland. The only thing stopping them from being wiped out right now is their use as biological weapons for a imperialist state.

AoT begins with the big red Titan committing an atrocity on a peaceful town -- and Eren has just done the exact same to a mainland town, murdering countless innocents. His own people want to try him for war crimes. poo poo is intentionally messy and hosed Up, and it's not a simple binary of one-race good and other-races bad
.

Squidster fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Feb 11, 2019

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Yeah AOT is not subtle at all but people still read it wrong because they want to be mad.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Squidster posted:

Yes, there's some loaded imagery the artist is using that's unfortunate. Spike has skimmed the wiki and not read the comic.


https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/1094821660694335488

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Isn't the auhor of aot a japanese nationalist and holocaust denier


lmao watch evs go private and all his tweets suddenly disappear in a couple hours

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Those are the Titans by the way. The other guys are the ethnic nationalists and are pretty explicitly the bad guys.

There are also some hints that the official history is not exactly what happened.

Like I said, not very subtle.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

site posted:

Isn't the auhor of aot a japanese nationalist and holocaust denier


He's a japanese nationalist, yeah, but I don't recall the holocaust denier bit. AoT isn't going "yay fascism. The main character has become more fascist, which is looked upon in horror by his comrades and is turning him into a monster.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
People have been gunning for AOT for years which is weird as there are plenty of decently popular Nationalistic manga out there you could focus on instead.

Like GATE which is just lovely Japan rules fanfic.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤

site posted:

Isn't the auhor of aot a japanese nationalist and holocaust denier
There were rumours of tweets on a private Twitter account back in 2013, but as far as I know, nothing concrete. There's a side character who is based on a lovely WW2 general, but he's only had a handful of appearances. I'd never pretend it's a series that doesn't have problematic elements, but it's not a Goblin Slayer-tier racial parable about divine ubermensch.

I think, similar to Wolf of Wall Street and Fight Club, audiences often only want to see the cool power fantasy, and don't absorb the work's condemnation of its protagonists.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

Squidster posted:

It's a surface reading not really supported by the text. Yes, there's some loaded imagery the artist is using that's unfortunate. Spike has skimmed the wiki and not read the comic.
I repeat:

END ME SCOOB posted:

I've still lost a huge amount of respect for Spike for just hearing "SOMEONE PICKED ON A LADY, GET SOME PITCHFORKS" a year or two back and claiming [the Sims thing] was all about how the Big Two keep women down and are an old boys club without doing a single shred of research.
Spike is pretty loving reactionary and definitely someone you oughta fact check when she gets on a tear.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


To say the loving least.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Monaghan posted:

He's a japanese nationalist, yeah, but I don't recall the holocaust denier bit. AoT isn't going "yay fascism. The main character has become more fascist, which is looked upon in horror by his comrades and is turning him into a monster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfQjFkGsEE

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Lurdiak posted:

Man, the porn and erotica industry is full of abuse but I still think that's painting with too broad a brush.

From what I gather he wasn't asking permission from the broads before he used them as a brush.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Monaghan posted:

He's been having complaints against him for like a decade. Recently another voice actress came out and said that Vic grabbed her by the hair, forced her head back and whispered something sexual in her ear. She didn't report him because she didn't want to be blacklisted. This is one of dozens of accounts, but nope, these fuckers think that the guy shouldn't lose his job over mere "accusations."

Update:

https://twitter.com/FUNimation/status/1095087396209770501

The comments are full of 'but what do you MEAN when you say 'investigation' is it real he was nice to me once.'

Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Feb 11, 2019

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?
Good on them.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
The Vic situation is interesting because once it started it moved quickly, probably because of how many prominent VAs sided with the victims

Kojiro
Aug 11, 2003

LET'S GET TO THE TOP!

CharlestheHammer posted:

The Vic situation is interesting because once it started it moved quickly, probably because of how many prominent VAs sided with the victims

It's been an open secret for literal years, which is why it snowballed so fast.

E the Shaggy
Mar 29, 2010
https://twitter.com/FredTJoseph/status/1094997510849003522
Ethan has finally messed with someone who is able to sue his rear end.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Yeah, thanks for the repost from this very page.

Anora
Feb 16, 2014

I fuckin suck!🪠
I've noticed all the Vic fans also immediately turned on Monica Rial (Bulma from DBZ), which is telling. And it's like every drat time.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Anora posted:

I've noticed all the Vic fans also immediately turned on Monica Rial (Bulma from DBZ), which is telling. And it's like every drat time.

And turned hard. Death threats and the whole deal. "How DARE you have an encounter where he abused you!" The same with Jamie Marchi, who the chuds so inclined already hate because she had the temerity to put in a GamerGate joke in a dub.

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Principal Hellmann
Jul 29, 2006
"I'm sending you to dentention FOREVER, LIEMAN!"
I like how they think they have proof the accusations are false because they have pictures of the voice actors being friendly with each other.

It's not like people who have been assaulted have been in situations where they HAVE to be friendly with their assaulter or anything.

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