Unoriginal Name posted:

If age and health are irrelevant, I guess we don't need to worry about the Supreme Court anymore

Unoriginal Name posted:

If age and health are irrelevant, I guess we don't need to worry about the Supreme Court anymore

VitalSigns posted:

You're not too bright huh

Aside from this being a dumb strawman, when a president dies of old age we know who is next in line, their successor isn't suddenly appointed potentially by the opposing party

Unoriginal Name posted:

Got a VP you believe will carry out Bernie's agenda?

Because if so, have I got a candidate for you!

Majorian posted:

My single vote actually does. I just voted for Trump to avenge Seth Rich.


Or, here's a crazy idea - maybe you could just try to avoid making bizarre and unsubstantiated claims like "Bernie has a 1 in 3 chance of dying in his first term."

twodot posted:

Have you voted in Texas? Here's the 2016 results:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas#Results_3

Cease to Hope posted:

Honestly, I'd rather vote for someone who isn't over 70, isn't white, and isn't a dude. Ideally all three. The symbolic qualities of electing someone who isn't an old white dude have a value of their own.

mcmagic posted:

Free Universal Pre-K.

Unoriginal Name posted:

Got a VP you believe will carry out Bernie's agenda?

Morbus posted:

[Sanders's] mother died when she was 48, although I don't know the cause.

King of Solomon posted:

What about the symbolic value of the first Jewish president, a person who had family die in the Holocaust?

Morbus posted:

ok I'm sorry dear pep pep bernie exists beyond the mortal constraints of time and space and will live a thousand thousand ages amen

Majorian posted:

Mmmm yes, questioning your unsubstantiated claim that Bernie has a 1-in-3 chance of dying during his first term in office is clearly the same thing as claiming that someone will live to be a thousand.

You were talking out of your rear end and got called on it. No one's being unfair to you.

Morbus posted:

Nobody's arguing with me but your dumb rear end on a bold quest to challenge the basic underpinnings of mortality risk assessment.

VitalSigns posted:

This argument is actually so dumb I'm having a hard time believing it's being made in good faith.

Like I think Stacey Abrams would be a good choice to take over if President Bernie died. She's also not running, so what good does it do to say "hey VS just vote Stacey for President" when she isn't running. How do I do that, kidnap her dog and threaten to send pieces of him back to her unless she files FEC paperwork?

Unoriginal Name posted:

Bernie hasn't announced for 2020 yet as far as I am aware, so if you're gonna push for someone you think is qualified, why start with the old guy?

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

do you have a better candidate in mind, or are you just farting aggressively about how dare the socialist continue to be a threat

well, that's unfair of me. did you bother to invest in even the most perfunctory cover story for option b or no

Unoriginal Name posted:

Bernie hasn't announced for 2020 yet as far as I am aware, so if you're gonna push for someone you think is qualified, why start with the old guy?

Morbus posted:

Do you maggots in your brain? I've mentioned no less than 3 times in the last page that I am going to vote for Sanders. I just mentioned offhand that the idea of Bernie dying in office is not "presumptuous" or speculative, it's a significant risk--almost assuredly worse than russian roulette odds no matter how you cut it. As I've said at least twice, "i'll take my loving chances" and "its not a huge deal if he dies anyway".

There are important ramifications for electing someone that old, though, and we should be prepared. We all hope that fucker lives to a ripe age of 120 and serves 4 consecutive terms but it's dumb to dismiss the very real chance that an 80 year old man dies when 80 year old men do. Noted brain genius Majoran insists numbers from actuarial tables of 95th income percentile (very assuredly white) American males are "unsubstantiated" for whatever dumbshit reason. Fine--if you are arguing in good faith go find me any life table, any survival curve, from *any* cohort anywhere in the world where the odds of a 79-80 year old person living to be 83-84 are better than russian roulette. "Substantiate" your bizzare claim that it's "presumptuous" to think there's a good chance he might not finish his first term, and pretty good odds he doesn't finish his 2nd.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

this is an awful lot of words for "no," friend.

if he dies on the campaign trail this topic becomes worth discussing. until then it's aimless jerking off at the possibility people don't have to worry about him.

Morbus posted:

I dunno, if he dies on the campaign trail I don't think there would be much left to discuss re: life expectancy of Bernie Sanders.

Cease to Hope posted:

one of the big disadvantages of Sanders (or Warren or Biden) potentially dying in office is that the incumbency advantage seems to be much weaker when a VP takes over, whereas presidents don't usually lose reelection campaigns

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

Ghost Leviathan posted:

That's what AOC is for.

Verviticus posted:

has a person ever served as president without being disgraced for some reason and attempted to run for office again only to fail?

Verviticus posted:

i guess i should have said "run for non-presidential office". i mean the thing roosevelt did isnt even allowed anymore i think so he probably isnt a great example

Cease to Hope posted:

AOC is shaping up to be a really good member of the house, and is chummy with pelosi.

Cease to Hope posted:

...
none of this is relevant to 2020, admittedly.

Unoriginal Name posted:

Bernie hasn't announced for 2020 yet as far as I am aware, so if you're gonna push for someone you think is qualified, why start with the old guy?

Morbus posted:

Nobody's arguing with me but your dumb rear end on a bold quest to challenge the basic underpinnings of mortality risk assessment.

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

After today this is a total and categorical negative. This thing with Rep. Omar is

Unoriginal Name posted:

Bernie hasn't announced for 2020 yet as far as I am aware, so if you're gonna push for someone you think is qualified, why start with the old guy?

i am the bird posted:

I bet we can find a random 35 year old socialist who has high name recognition, a national campaign infrastructure, and a presidential platform ready to go.

Morbus posted:

Do you maggots in your brain? I've mentioned no less than 3 times in the last page that I am going to vote for Sanders. I just mentioned offhand that the idea of Bernie dying in office is not "presumptuous" or speculative, it's a significant risk--almost assuredly worse than russian roulette odds no matter how you cut it. As I've said at least twice, "i'll take my loving chances" and "its not a huge deal if he dies anyway".

There are important ramifications for electing someone that old, though, and we should be prepared. We all hope that fucker lives to a ripe age of 120 and serves 4 consecutive terms but it's dumb to dismiss the very real chance that an 80 year old man dies when 80 year old men do. Noted brain genius Majoran insists numbers from actuarial tables of 95th income percentile (very assuredly white) American males are "unsubstantiated" for whatever dumbshit reason. Fine--if you are arguing in good faith go find me any life table, any survival curve, from *any* cohort anywhere in the world where the odds of a 79-80 year old person living to be 83-84 are better than russian roulette. "Substantiate" your bizzare claim that it's "presumptuous" to think there's a good chance he might not finish his first term, and pretty good odds he doesn't finish his 2nd.