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Roland Jones posted:I heard something happened with Wheaton at some point but missed it. What happened there? Chris Hardwick's ex came out with some very bad abuse stories about him, and Wil Wheaton, being a comfortably and inoffensively woke liberal guy, threw a huge tantrum about how his best friend was not someone who would do such things and as such he had to go think about it and wouldn't be saying anything in public.
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I don't think not turning on your best friend as the first reaction to that kind of stuff is that contemptible even though Wil Wheaton sucks.
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Feb 12, 2019 22:05
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I dunno, he could have and should have just not said anything instead of making a big deal about how he wasn't going to say anything.
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Feb 12, 2019 22:08
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eh, i did it. You'd be surprised how easy it is, and how obvious it was in retrospect, when the time comes.
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FMguru posted:Hite working with and legitimizing Zak is bad, real bad, but at least he didn't mount his high horse and lecture Zak's critics about how rude and uncouth and potty-mouthed they were and declare that their pointing out that Zak was an abusive creepy harasser was literally the same thing as the Two Minute Hate from 1984. Also donating what he got paid by Zak to a charity for abused women was a good touch by Hite. All Magpie Guy can fall back on is 'Hey, wha' happun?'
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dwarf74 posted:There's some talk over on ENWorld about stripping Zak's ENnie away from him.
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Feb 12, 2019 22:21
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andrew smash posted:I dunno, he could have and should have just not said anything instead of making a big deal about how he wasn't going to say anything. Not that it's remotely the same thing, but further up the page Mearls is getting criticized for not saying anything. I think sometimes you're not allowed to not say anything. As such, if you don't want to say anything, you have to acknowledge that you aren't going to say anything, as a way of going "I hear you, I'm aware that there's this problem, no comment." Maybe I'm wrong.
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CitizenKeen posted:Not that it's remotely the same thing, but further up the page Mearls is getting criticized for not saying anything. Fair enough, and I was hardly aware of everyone in all of the internet's opinions on it; I just don't remember anyone caring about what wil wheaton's take was until he officially announced that he had no take
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Feb 12, 2019 22:27
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FMguru posted:Oh no! Not the integrity and credibility of the hallowed ENnie award, famous until recently for going to whoever sent the judges the most valuable swag they could flip on the secondary market! Is nothing sacred?!? And think what you will about the value of the ennies but that's one less award to his name that he could plaster all over his website, bio, and products. That's something of a real consequence for a narcissist and self-promoter. (And if it got his fans to boycott the awards out of anger? So much the better.)
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Feb 12, 2019 22:43
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Dawgstar posted:Also donating what he got paid by Zak to a charity for abused women was a good touch by Hite. All Magpie Guy can fall back on is 'Hey, wha' happun?' I think this is the main difference. Concrete action and a promise for more action is the only thing that really backs up an apology from someone in Hite's position. If he doesn't do anything else and just lets it lie, it'll be incredibly disappointing.
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Feb 12, 2019 22:44
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andrew smash posted:Chris Hardwick's ex came out with some very bad abuse stories about him, and Wil Wheaton, being a comfortably and inoffensively woke liberal guy, threw a huge tantrum about how his best friend was not someone who would do such things and as such he had to go think about it and wouldn't be saying anything in public. Got it. Thanks for the info. CitizenKeen posted:Not that it's remotely the same thing, but further up the page Mearls is getting criticized for not saying anything. Mearls is being criticized now because he spoke before, choosing to loudly deny that Zak harmed anyone and to attack his accusers. Going so far in defense of an abuser and thus actively hurting people yourself, and then trying to ignore the situation when more abuse is revealed, is different from just not commenting on your friend turning out to be an abuser (and otherwise not being personally involved?) until you know more, which is what it sounds like Wheaton should have done. So, yeah, different things. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Feb 12, 2019 |
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Feb 12, 2019 22:50
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RE: the ENnies, it's worth stating that not only did they give Zak awards, but there was literally a walk out at the ENnies in protest of him...and then they gave him another award the very next year after that. They knew. They didn't care.
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Feb 12, 2019 23:07
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Is there any ulterior reason why indies are now listing small books or supplements on KS as “magazines”?
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Feb 12, 2019 23:16
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DriveThruRPG has made their statement. It's short and sweet.
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hyphz posted:Is there any ulterior reason why indies are now listing small books or supplements on KS as “magazines”? Presumably so that they can take part in KickStarter's current promotion of RPG 'zine based products. Edit: here is the relevant announcment.
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Feb 12, 2019 23:26
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Reene posted:DriveThruRPG has made their statement. It's short and sweet. That all seems very reasonable.
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Feb 12, 2019 23:27
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Reene posted:DriveThruRPG has made their statement. It's short and sweet. quote:I have decided that we will not accept future titles for sale on DriveThruRPG (or our other marketplaces) if Zak is a contributor on the title. If any publisher has a title-in-process to which Zak is a contributor and this policy would impact you financially, then we’d ask that you please reach out to us via the publisher services link to have a dialogue about that title. quote:For our part, we will be identifying all titles to which Zak contributed and diverting all of the revenue shares that DriveThruRPG might make from sales of these titles as a donation to RAINN quote:So DriveThruRPG is now banning certain creators? Will whoever the “outrage brigade” complains about next be banned as well? Hot drat.
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Feb 12, 2019 23:30
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hyphz posted:Is there any ulterior reason why indies are now listing small books or supplements on KS as “magazines”? There is this "month of the zine" promotion going on. So if you call your small book a zine, you can get in on that pre-existing marketing and maybe get more eyes on your product.
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Feb 12, 2019 23:31
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I wish they would avoid citing the outrage brigade thing, and I wish that they would stop doing business with people vocally rather than quietly, because being quiet about it means word doesn't get around, but all around better than it could be.
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Feb 12, 2019 23:32
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hyphz posted:Is there any ulterior reason why indies are now listing small books or supplements on KS as “magazines”? February is zine month - https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/announcing-zine-quest-a-tribute-to-rpg-zines-in-february-2019
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Feb 12, 2019 23:33
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Serf posted:personally hite can't lose any more of my respect so there ain't much to say other than he's bad folks *or whatever real nasty dictator it was
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Feb 12, 2019 23:53
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Zereth posted:Yeah Ken "pol pot was cool, guys*" Hite" is on my poo poo list for his own accord rather than his relations to zaks, so Pinochet
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Feb 12, 2019 23:55
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remusclaw posted:I wish they would avoid citing the outrage brigade thing, and I wish that they would stop doing business with people vocally rather than quietly, because being quiet about it means word doesn't get around, but all around better than it could be. It's pretty ok to cite that as a "question we anticipate being frequently asked," because they will certainly get that poo poo. I don't care how loudly or silently they drop garbage people. And I really like that they didn't just limit this to abuse and harassment. Crowdfunding scammers and other industry blights can get hosed, and this is the first actual instance of that being voiced. This also forces WotC's hand. If I understand correctly, DriveThru is the digital D&D distribution channel.
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Feb 12, 2019 23:56
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gradenko_2000 posted:Pinochet
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I really wish there were other indie shops out there who were making providing work for minorities in gaming other than self-publishing a major focus, because boy is Magpie's bullshit 'woopsie daisy' not near enough after multiple people asked them repeatedly to get their names off that disgusting 'calling Zak a predator is like fascism and racism' thing and got ignored but welp I guess they get a pass because the alternatives are self publish or go gently caress yourself. Luv to be in a cool and normal hobby.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Pinochet Pol Pot was definitely cool and good unlike him. Also guess who's a mentally deranged brazilian and is apping for the new White Wolf Brand Manager open post https://twitter.com/ShamsJorjani/status/1095443701587951622?s=19
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remusclaw posted:I wish they would avoid citing the outrage brigade thing, and I wish that they would stop doing business with people vocally rather than quietly, because being quiet about it means word doesn't get around, but all around better than it could be.
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Reene posted:DriveThruRPG has made their statement. It's short and sweet. Now I feel like Mearls has to come out and say something. His twitter has been dark for 3 days now, which is a little out of the ordinary based on his posting history. Perhaps he's being talked to by higher-ups? Just speculating
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Feb 13, 2019 00:39
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a gag order until PR figures out what to do is not out of the question for something like this.
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Yeah I’m willing to accept that if Mearls says anything it’ll have to be thoroughly vetted by PR first and so could take a while. But this won’t stop me from folding my arms and staring at him going “You have some explaining to do”. Metaphorically of course.
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Speaking of RPG companies laying low to wait out the controversy of defending and providing targets for a sexually abusive writer: Has Green Ronin released that timeline that explains everything yet?
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Feb 13, 2019 00:56
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Yea there are odds there's like five PR goons going over whatever Mearls is saying before it goes public. The odds aren't GREAT, what with history and all, but they do exist.
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Feb 13, 2019 00:57
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Gerund posted:Speaking of RPG companies laying low to wait out the controversy of defending and providing targets for a sexually abusive writer: I checked my timeline timeline and... nope.
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Gerund posted:Speaking of RPG companies laying low to wait out the controversy of defending and providing targets for a sexually abusive writer: any day now! It's gonna solve aaaaaall these problems.
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sexpig by night posted:I really wish there were other indie shops out there who were making providing work for minorities in gaming other than self-publishing a major focus It’s quite new, so their list of products is thin (well, one), but I’m expecting great things from New Agenda Publishing (http://newagendapublishing.com).
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I doubt theres any PR guys even loosely associated with the D&D team. Mearls is silent because hes a coward.
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Feb 13, 2019 01:11
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Gerund posted:Speaking of RPG companies laying low to wait out the controversy of defending and providing targets for a sexually abusive writer: Pramas made a tweet the other day about 'sipping metaphorical and literal tea' because I guess they knew about Zak while ignoring C.A. Suleiman's eyes blazing with an intensity some called alarming.
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sexpig by night posted:Yea there are odds there's like five PR goons going over whatever Mearls is saying before it goes public. There weren't PR goons around when Mearls was collecting names of people to harrass in order to send them to Zak, why would there be some now?
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Feb 13, 2019 01:29
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EverettLO posted:I'd say it's a bit more nuanced, and his thread accurately points out the discrepancy in the response to Ken Hite's apology after repeatedly working with Zak (the internet loves it) and Mark Diaz-Truman's apology after siding with Zak and never actually working with him (the internet hates it). It's gross and ill-timed and most importantly, only exists to try and protect Magpie. He's also insinuating if you don't buy his games published through them, you're racist. Basically he can go gently caress himself because he chose this time to try and ensure he doesn't lose any money because the company he writes for is garbage.
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ravenkult posted:It's gross and ill-timed and most importantly, only exists to try and protect Magpie. He's also insinuating if you don't buy his games published through them, you're racist. On the other hand, I do agree with him: Hite's getting off pretty easy.
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