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I'd get purged too. I'm more hopeful for pushing politicians left than socialism in my lifetime.
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I remain pretty skeptical that Democrats can ever be redeemed, or if it is somehow possible it can be done before climate disaster. (or building a new party) But, I've already seen social democrats in my local being slowly radicalized and I hold out hope that we can build enough power so that when poo poo really hits the fan we will have enough practical, real power to pursue Disaster Socialism. I would much rather prefer to be proven wrong but I'm working with what I see as likely, not preferable.
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Larry Parrish posted:i thought the asl clapping was for people on the autism level where loud noises make them wile out or something. at least thats what people have said every time its floated. certainly nobody has pointed out that if it gets loud enough it makes my poor airplane engine damaged ears ring for a minute or two A (formerly) fellow ramp rat?
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you don't have to reform the democrats themselves into a full-blown socialist party to exploit their institutional framework and voter base to recruit and radicalize, get money for socialist candidates, and push back a little against the american right on an electoral and policy level in hopes of forestalling nuclear war and globe death long enough for revolution to happen it's also important to aim high and embrace passionate rhetoric, so I get the need to do stuff like challenge sanders, but the trick to that (as with everything) is knowing how and when to do it and understanding that not all audiences are the same
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life is a joke posted:A (formerly) fellow ramp rat? the VA says my hearing loss is natural despite the constant ringing at the tender age of 23. anyway my smoke pit and my unit were about 700 feet away from the KC-10 ramp so i'd be smoking a few cigarettes before my shift listening to an engine run with no ear pro. but i'm behind the red line so 'its safe'
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Larry Parrish posted:the VA says my hearing loss is natural despite the constant ringing at the tender age of 23. anyway my smoke pit and my unit were about 700 feet away from the KC-10 ramp so i'd be smoking a few cigarettes before my shift listening to an engine run with no ear pro. but i'm behind the red line so 'its safe' 
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Lol AOCs response sucked but Ilhan doesn't even identify as a Dem soc
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Ace of Baes posted:Lol AOCs response sucked but Ilhan doesn't even identify as a Dem soc Tgats better than shitlib AOC coopting leftist language
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Feb 13, 2019 01:36
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Ilhan backed down too so it's not like she did any better
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Rashida tlaib even put detroit dsa logo in her twitter banner, if you really need a new congress fav
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Phi230 posted:Tgats better than shitlib AOC coopting leftist language Well if all you care about is Israel/Palestine you should check out Dianne Feinstein.
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Feb 13, 2019 01:54
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what’s tulsis take
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https://twitter.com/dsa_be_caucusin/status/1095453263632191496
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bump_fn posted:what’s tulsis take https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1095099726658224130?s=19
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Feb 13, 2019 02:13
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Noted Zionist Nelson Mandela.
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Ace of Baes posted:Well if all you care about is Israel/Palestine you should check out Dianne Feinstein. she also flew the Stars and Bars above SF City Hall lmao.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:she also flew the Stars and Bars above SF City Hall lmao. in conclusion, she's a land of contrasts~~~~
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brutal, aoc’s neoliberal now
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i like this statement, it's good. omar never should have been forced to apologize but nothing to be done about that now.
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Forums Terrorist posted:brutal, aoc’s neoliberal
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AOC is good and I'm sorry your brain is broken. We need more politicians like her. She's not perfect and we'll always need to put pressure on the good ones to improve and not become lovely establishment candidates.
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Coolness Averted posted:AOC is good and I'm sorry your brain is broken. We need more politicians like her. She's not perfect and we'll always need to put pressure on the good ones to improve and not become lovely establishment candidates. if you stomp around saying nice things when it's relatively easy but turn tail when a colleague is being actively persecuted by powerful interests, you're not a "good one," you're a "good when convenient' one. i like AOC but let's be real
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yes, the 'broke brained' ones are the ones who can actively call out a politician when they are behaving bad, not at all like the perfectly reasonable instinct of ferociously jacking off whichever politician is capable of mouthing the word socialism without grimacing.
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Coolness Averted posted:AOC is good and I'm sorry your brain is broken. We need more politicians like her. She's not perfect and we'll always need to put pressure on the good ones to improve and not become lovely establishment candidates. She's good but she wasn't good enough this time.
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docbeard posted:She's good but she wasn't good enough this time. I don't know why this is hard for people. sometimes people disappoint. only thing we can do is push hard against them and hope they improve and if they don't then toss them aside. the movement can't be dependent on one person or even some people.
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It's a really fine line to walk. You can't say "listen to minority voices when they say you're hurting them" and then also say "know when to ignore minority voices that say you're hurting them, or what seems like minority voices, and never get it wrong" There are almost certainly a good number of Jewish individuals, likely split by generations, who took took offense to what Ihan Omar said, who were acting in good faith when they said they felt it was anti-Semitic. Now, we can argue that those people are wrong, we can argue that those people conflate attacking Israel with attacking all Jews, we can argue that those people are racist against Muslims. It's not a given that they were right even if they were acting in good faith. You can say that of course the right wing, of course AIPAC funded politicians were going to use it as a disingenuous attack. Well, that's the rub. You shouldn't say "gently caress the people who were feeling legitimately attacked, because gently caress AIPAC." You have to take the time to explain to the people who felt legitimately attacked that you were not, in fact, attacking them. And to get most people who feel attacked to listen to you, you generally have to start with an apology. Then you start the long processes of explaining and informing, which is where we are getting to now. There's (hopefully) going to be a whole lot of Jewish people who are having their eyes opened to AIPAC and I/P over the next few years, and discussions like these are how we are going to get there. I'm not going to fault a non-Jewish person like AOC who is on the right side of the I/P issue but failed to walk the really fine line in this specific instance. If you expect AOC to never "make a mistake" to this degree, you've put her on a pedestal so tall that no human being should be on it.
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Internet Explorer posted:I'm not going to fault a non-Jewish person like AOC who is on the right side of the I/P issue I'm gonna need a quote or something bc I haven't heard poo poo from her and remember her walking back her early (much more correct) position
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Internet Explorer posted:It's a really fine line to walk. You can't say "listen to minority voices when they say you're hurting them" and then also say "know when to ignore minority voices that say you're hurting them, or what seems like minority voices, and never get it wrong" There are almost certainly a good number of Jewish individuals, likely split by generations, who took took offense to what Ihan Omar said, who were acting in good faith when they said they felt it was anti-Semitic. If only DSA had a Jewish socialist caucus that she could ask
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slicing up eyeballs posted:I'm gonna need a quote or something bc I haven't heard poo poo from her and remember her walking back her early (much more correct) position I'll own up to not paying attention to the fallout from that, only from what her early position was WhiskeyJuvenile posted:If only DSA had a Jewish socialist caucus that she could ask sure I'll engage with your witty one liner hold on
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For real tho why isn't AOC facing backlash from NY DSA
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Phi230 posted:For real tho why isn't AOC facing backlash from NY DSA lol
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Endorsements are necessary to allow DSA the credibility to keep pressure on elected politicians once they're in office. *AOC fucks up and DSA does nothing* Ah, well nevertheless
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Endorsements are necessary to allow DSA the credibility to keep pressure on elected politicians once they're in office. https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/1095715983443005446
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AOC should be expelled from the org
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Internet Explorer posted:It's a really fine line to walk. You can't say "listen to minority voices when they say you're hurting them" and then also say "know when to ignore minority voices that say you're hurting them, or what seems like minority voices, and never get it wrong" There are almost certainly a good number of Jewish individuals, likely split by generations, who took took offense to what Ihan Omar said, who were acting in good faith when they said they felt it was anti-Semitic. nuke israel
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Look if she was an actual leftist she would've had the correct take
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