I have always thought that fantasy protagonist names beginning with K are the most cliche. Especially what amounts to Keiran spelled differently.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:33 |
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# ? Jun 3, 2024 15:06 |
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my bony fealty posted:audacious worldbuilding Tolkien elves and whales!
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:35 |
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lofi posted:'Nothing but several dozen sixty-foot-long limbless blue elephants' is the name of my new math-rock band. Not for nothing does the author mention Joss Whedon in her goodreads profile.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:35 |
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are there really loving footnotes look I have a high tolerance for bad writing and love lots of fantasy books but this is beyond the pale. burn the entire fantasy publishing industry to the ground. take hard sci fi with it.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:36 |
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Here's how she introduced thread favourite, a dragon:quote:“He’ll hear you. SING!” Teraeth held up his entire fist. “FIVE!” That meter...
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:46 |
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"That?" Z'grug waved his hand like a professional waver who was waving at someone, but he waved so disdainfully that had he in fact been a professional waver at persons, he would have gotten a talking-to from his boss for showing such a bad attitude.1 "That's a herd of Grumguzzers. Furry lumps of poo poo--no, lovely gently caress-whores. Nothing impressive, or anything. Nothing in nature is impressive. Nothing in the world is impressive. You think I do magic because I'm a wizard? Magic is actually indistinguishable from science, as the poet says, and very rational. It's actually boring and normal. Like everything else in this gently caress-whore world." So saying, Z'grug swallowed exactly a pint of Crisprale, and wiped his mouth, and smiled. K'ruth couldn't hide his erection. 1. Leave it at the door, folks!
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:51 |
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Sham bam bamina! posted:It's very telling that Kirkus reviews for real books are actual reviews while genre fiction gets a basic summary and some regurgitated copy from the publisher. I don't know what their current reviews are like really but a lot of their older reviews were pretty dismissive of formally experimental or innovative books. lots of cliches like 'pretentious' and 'self indulgent' and that sort of thing.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:51 |
Does anyone else just kinda reflexively skip over lyrics in books? I think Tolkein might have instilled that in me.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:54 |
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my bony fealty posted:The prequel movies followed the by then decades-long exercise of adding useless backstory to the Star Wars universe, it was just giving fans what they wanted (garbage) The Star Wars EU was painfully but beautifully naive. They had three movies worth of material to work from, and they wrought them for every drop of content and meaning they could. Every other character had to be force-sensitive, every opponent to the Jedi had an anti-lightsaber weapon of some kind, there were enough clones of the Emperor for a soccer team, scenes from the movies were overloaded with unseen events and meanings. They could never escape the playset, and boredom and the endless thirst for novelty ended up twisting the source material into ridiculous shapes I don't have a lot to say about it, it's all an excuse to link to Attack of the Super Wizards which goes after the same playset vibe by remixing Fletcher Hanks' poorly conceived characters
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:54 |
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A human heart posted:I don't know what their current reviews are like really but a lot of their older reviews were pretty dismissive of formally experimental or innovative books. lots of cliches like 'pretentious' and 'self indulgent' and that sort of thing.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:54 |
hackbunny posted:The Star Wars EU was painfully but beautifully naive. They had three movies worth of material to work from, and they wrought them for every drop of content and meaning they could. Every other character had to be force-sensitive, every opponent to the Jedi had an anti-lightsaber weapon of some kind, there were enough clones of the Emperor for a soccer team, scenes from the movies were overloaded with unseen events and meanings. They could never escape the playset, and boredom and the endless thirst for novelty ended up twisting the source material into ridiculous shapes Wookiepedia has such mythical creatures as the 'breast'.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:57 |
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lofi posted:Does anyone else just kinda reflexively skip over lyrics in books? I think Tolkein might have instilled that in me. Song lyrics or poetry in books get a hard fuckin pass from me, unless the author is actually also a good poet. Even most good prose writers aren’t good poets, and when you consider most fantasy writers aren’t even good prose writers...
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 01:59 |
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porfiria posted:The following sentence isn't any better. The word "form" gets repeated (again we're really abusing the limits of where this style of writing can get us), and the last clause is genuinely awful; "became" is a disaster. It needs a more mechanical edit – "shape" her body into forms "crafted of..." is a bizarre redundancy. "they too became her next meal..." is weird as well – "next" tends to anchor to the utterance time, so only one person can be her next meal. quote:This not a good simile. Try to work out the logistics of guarding a fish tank with a shark. A tank inside a larger tank? And here the syntax is just off. "That she was Khirin's jailer..." was like "leaving a shark..." A full finite clause is compared with a gerund. It reads like the first clause is supposed to be a gerund too, or was meant to lead into something else, e.g. "That she was Khirin's jailer was (indicative of / ironic)..." or whatever.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:05 |
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Let's get this over with.quote:“You must be joking.” Kihrin raised his head and stared at her. Again, note the banal stage direction: characters moving around vaguely defined spaces, shifting their weights, leaning in to make points. It's the kind of actorly business that might be significant if you were watching it on TV but is mostly empty filler on the page. In Talon's stock characterization I can't help but be reminded of the languid-but-deadly femmes fatale who populate Joss Whedon's oeuvre, and unsurprisingly Jenni Lyons's Goodreads page namedrops the man himself. I cast no particular aspersions on someone for enjoying any particular art, but I think it's worth reflecting on, again, the primacy of TV here. And, to beat the drum one last time, note the tantalizing and rather vague references to Talon and Khirin's shared history: a good device for getting the reader to tune in next week! quote:“No.” "He searched for somewhere to rest his gaze..." Um, excuse me? Describing the viewpoint character looking at something rather than just describing the something strikes me as a neophyte writer's tic. We understand the observation is being filtered through the character--it's the whole conceit of the form! Just get on with it! The "mage-light lamp" is a classic example of what I've seen described as "ogre's blood" as in the proverbial description: "the grass was as green as ogre's blood." Since the reader has no idea what ogre's blood looks like, the comparison is rather meaningless. What is the relevance of the mage-light here? Is it brighter than a candle? A weird color? Is there something unsettling about the quality of its light? Who knows! quote:“Aren’t you bored too?” Talon asked. They're going to sacrifice me to a demon, I said, rolling my eyes and smirking. The wry, ironic take (the ghost of Whedon) is not totally without merit, but its a dangerous mode in which to operate for very long, and it feels pretty anachronistic to boot. Maybe if this book were a hilarious parody or send up would the protagonist breezily mentioning demon sacrifices be a reasonable feature. But this a five book long epic! We're going to be dodging demon sacrifices for the next 5000 pages so maybe a little dramatic tension on page 1, please. Anyway, 5/5.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:07 |
First-person tense is such a goddamn crutch in bad fantasy writing.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:14 |
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my bony fealty posted:are there really loving footnotes There's a storyteller's pretense that the whole thing is a narrative account by a historian on commission, who is including the footnotes for his superior's benefit. I don't mind these metafictional framings as a narrative device, and where they call for footnotes, that could be a solid literary mechanism in its own right. But the book itself simply doesn't read like a historical document in the first place, so they're nonsensical, and they're being used for exposition in the margins, which is even worse than exposition in the text.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:19 |
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Let's see the, uh, publisher's review. [Gangnam styles 3 miles to the nearest Barnes and Noble’s to buy 8 copies]
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:23 |
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Can someone break it down for me why fae-analogues in contemporary fantasy almost always suck as compared to fairies in actual folklore, which are usually awesome? It’s something that bothers me a lot but I’ve never been quite able to articulate why.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:27 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:First-person tense is such a goddamn crutch in bad fantasy writing. The Hunger Games did a lot to popularize the present tense as a similar crutch, though.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:36 |
Sham bam bamina! posted:First person is a person, not a tense. That's why it's called first person. Ugh, yeah, missed a word there.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:40 |
Lyons posted:The demon’s mouth drew close, and Kihrin closed his eyes rather than see what was about to happen. He tensed in expectation of his death. I love the way the crocodile metaphor drags you out of the scene with an audible thunk. "Terrible, nonconsensual things" is also just awful.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:40 |
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Doctor Faustine posted:Can someone break it down for me why fae-analogues in contemporary fantasy almost always suck as compared to fairies in actual folklore, which are usually awesome? It’s something that bothers me a lot but I’ve never been quite able to articulate why. probably just another symptom of being devoid of originality and recycling the same stale ideas that have infected fantasy for decades?
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:41 |
TheGreatEvilKing posted:I love the way the crocodile metaphor drags you out of the scene with an audible thunk. "Terrible, nonconsensual things" is also just awful. That last line about the demon emptying atrocities into his head just makes me think of someone emptying half-full cups into a sink. So passionless.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:44 |
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Bonfire of the Genres: Terrible, Nonconsensual Things
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:45 |
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Honestly surprised that the atrocities emptied into Kirin Ichiban's head aren't "problematic" atrocities.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 02:46 |
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criticizing this book seems like shooting sixty-foot-long limbless blue elephants in a barrel
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 03:10 |
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chew on this onequote:This is a hard fantasy novel. That means that the magic system and world are intended to be rational and knowable.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 03:14 |
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my bony fealty posted:chew on this one quote:Current Status: Moving the ending of this book to the beginning of book 2 and writing a new ending for this book.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 03:33 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_magic_systems
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 03:40 |
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brain motherfucking worms
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 03:47 |
i'll come back when this is over, as this book upsets me
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 05:12 |
"The idea of hard magic and soft magic was created by Brandon Sanderson" oh noooo
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 05:12 |
lofi posted:Does anyone else just kinda reflexively skip over lyrics in books? I think Tolkein might have instilled that in me. I could not scroll that poo poo fast enough. I also skipped John Galt's speech. Life is just too fuckin short
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 05:18 |
tolkien's poems are good and if you don't like them then your soul lacks a particular capacity for joy or wonder
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 05:25 |
You will not trick me into learning elvish chernobyl kinsman
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 06:15 |
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Hey baby want some of my hard magic system
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 06:49 |
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:I love the way the crocodile metaphor drags you out of the scene with an audible thunk. "Terrible, nonconsensual things" is also just awful. Indigo stone? So its gonna turn out that his princely father gave him the necklace, and that the story of the brothers stealing the veils is how they came by magic. The stones will be pieces of some magical goober that got broken into pieces, and our hero will have to go collect them. Everyone will be surprised by this, even though there's a loving tavern called the Shattered Veil.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 07:17 |
Strom Cuzewon posted:Indigo stone? So its gonna turn out that his princely father gave him the necklace, and that the story of the brothers stealing the veils is how they came by magic. The stones will be pieces of some magical goober that got broken into pieces, and our hero will have to go collect them. It's dumber. Much dumber.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 07:23 |
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It was a dialogue in five parts.
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 07:25 |
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# ? Jun 3, 2024 15:06 |
TheGreatEvilKing posted:It's dumber. Much dumber. well don't leave us hanging
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# ? Feb 14, 2019 07:29 |