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(Thread IKs: Nenonen)
What should the presidential powers be in 2020?
This poll is closed.
UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! 3 23.08%
Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. 2 15.38%
He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. 2 15.38%
None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! 2 15.38%
Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. 0 0%
None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. 4 30.77%
Total: 13 votes
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endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Andrast posted:

I don't really see how basic income precludes stuff like disability benefits from existing

Then you aren't familiar with our current disability benefits system.

Universal basic income will result in an immediate jump in the prices of things with non-elastic demand - so, rents and food.

In addition, a disability system like ours - especially with the excuse to defund it since it won't be as critical - requires a lot of work and energy just to get a diagnosis, nevermind the benefits. This results in a situation where people on UBI able to work a little live much as they do now, and disabled people are thrown into a hell of poverty and impossible to navigate systems, except even more so than now. Ask me about it taking Kela 12 years to accept a doctor's diagnosis as accurate. (Specifically, the "will not recover" part.)

Because after that the options for disabled people are either to fight through the system for a benefit that may or may not be granted before they die, or just try to make do on universal basic income.

Fixing both problems in a way that they stay fixed instead of vanishing in a storm of racism and greed within a few governments would require political will that also enables you to implement a much better benefits system that accounts for individual circumstances instead of an one size fits all solution with little to no concern for how well it actually works.

SnowblindFatal posted:

What is the alternative in a world where human labour is becoming increasingly unnecessary?

That's a really dumb question. We're not heading toward a world where automation is replacing humans, we're heading toward a world where automation is increasing human productivity, but the sinking birth rates and the world rapidly running out of resources counterbalance that.

Take a look at any kind of task where the algorithms are replacing humans. Or for that matter, fully automated robots.

We're wasting a tremendous amount of reusable resources - and I ain't talking about paper or plastic - and the world's infrastructure is going unmaintained in the very same places that blame immigration or automation for the lower amount of work available. It's cheaper to buy new than to repair, because you can always offload the labor cost of making new items to some foreign country, and to hell with the consequences.

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Bensa
Aug 21, 2007

Loyal 'til the end.
One of the arguments FOR basic income is that it would make people be able to choose to pay less or more rent. Right now minimum rents trend towards the asumistuki maximum since tenants don't see any significant saving from cheaper options. Landlords have a pool of guaranteed tenants up to a certain price point.

This makes cheap rental apartments a good investment, and the demand for them by landlords is only inhibited by average apartment size regulation etc. But the high demand does also get reflected in the pricing of larger apartments.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
https://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/art-2000005997516.html

quote:

Esimerkiksi haku *paska* näyttää kaikki paska-sanan sisältävät paikannimet. Niitä on Suomessa yhteensä 2944 kappaletta.

Jorma Khan 1000 ekr: new lands only have marshes and lakes everywhere, forcing the proud Mongol people to get rid of their horses "Vittu mitä paskaa."

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Feb 12, 2019

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
There would be thousands more but people soon realized that Paskaturku, Paskaoulu, Paskakouvola, Paskavantaa etc. was a needless tautologism.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

DarkCrawler posted:

https://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/art-2000005997516.html


Jorma Khan 1000 ekr: new lands only have marshes and lakes everywhere, forcing the proud Mongol people to get rid of their horses "Vittu mitä paskaa."

i've heard that the locals in the north didn't often have names for every drat pond or hill, but that they were really eager to help the nazi cartographers

El Perkele
Nov 7, 2002

I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.

Hogge Wild posted:

i've heard that the locals in the north didn't often have names for every drat pond or hill, but that they were really eager to help the nazi cartographers

students, the real nazis in 1960s-1970s

El Perkele
Nov 7, 2002

I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.
3 Teekemperis
1 Teekemperinaukea
1 Haakkemperinkulma
1 Faakemperi
1 Vikkemperi

El Perkele
Nov 7, 2002

I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.
0 hogges

1 Bensakivi (at Utsjoki)

69 nenones

too many herras

too many auers

El Perkele fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Feb 12, 2019

El Perkele
Nov 7, 2002

I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.
gotta love the whoever that named some random place in merijärvi Perkele-Hermanni

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Ligur sighted

and this is where the rest of you belong

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

El Perkele posted:

69 nenones

:coolfish:

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Niinistö is an anti-semitic Nazi

next: Niinistö clears Hitler's reputation by pointing out that there are zero remaining documents related to the Endlösung signed by him

Nenonen fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Feb 12, 2019

Pussy Noise
Aug 1, 2003

DarkCrawler posted:

https://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/art-2000005997516.html


Jorma Khan 1000 ekr: new lands only have marshes and lakes everywhere, forcing the proud Mongol people to get rid of their horses "Vittu mitä paskaa."

This is so great :D I'm currently reading Niemi by Hurme and I guess I'm calibrated in the right way in that I'm at work and I can't stop laughing.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
mikäs Fryckman-viikko nyt on uutistoimituksilla käynnissä

https://www.iltalehti.fi/politiikka/a/83651097-38cf-48c4-b584-6bbf8f7f2998
https://www.maaseuduntulevaisuus.fi/politiikka/artikkeli-1.379340

joka tapauksessa hienoa että kokoomuksella ja persuilla on riittänyt aikaa hoitaa jonkun ex-miljonäärin bineksiä köyhien rankaisemisen ohessa

Ornedan
Nov 4, 2009


Cybernetic Crumb
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10647077

"perustuslakitaleban" :hmmyes:

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Nenonen posted:

Niinistö is an anti-semiticMuslim Nazi

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
Yes checking if the bill works with the constitution is a blatant political game. Don't let such trivialities like right to privacy stop the process.

I find it hilarious that such a patriotic twerp like Niinistö thinks the constitution is more of a hindrance, not apparently remembering the real historical and patriotic background of the document. From who did we establish our national sovereignty, unless he's one of those old school Czar loving patriots.

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme
He just really wants to do something before being discarded in the next election

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

Yes checking if the bill works with the constitution is a blatant political game. Don't let such trivialities like right to privacy stop the process.

I find it hilarious that such a patriotic twerp like Niinistö thinks the constitution is more of a hindrance, not apparently remembering the real historical and patriotic background of the document. From who did we establish our national sovereignty, unless he's one of those old school Czar loving patriots.

Yeah, that's what I never get. There are some pretty significant things enshrined in there that the right probably wants to keep, like 15 § Omaisuuden suoja. I'll be sure to dust off this talk of the "Constitutional Taleban" when the Socialist International finally takes power :v:

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
TF are going province level to decree there are only two genders. The interview is amazing.

IS posted:

Kirjoitatte, että ”epätieteelliseen ja ideologiaan perustuvan oppimateriaalin käyttö on verrattavissa uskonnonopetukseen, ja siitä tulee siksi olla mahdollisuus kieltäytyä vakaumuksellisista syistä”. Teillä on aika negatiivinen käsitys uskonnonopetuksesta?

– Ei, tämä nimenomainen kohta on sellainen, jota en henkilökohtaisesti allekirjoita.

Olette allekirjoittanut.

– Kyllä, mutta tämä on tulkinnanvarainen kohta.

Gortarius
Jun 6, 2013

idiot

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

TF are going province level to decree there are only two genders. The interview is amazing.

The interview is pretty good.

That guy is pihalla kuin lumiukko and is just trying to score some cheap political points.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Debate & Discussion › Finnish Politics Megathread III > Hehehähähä. Hienosti ajateltu.

Golden Gate Bride
Oct 23, 2008
knife to meet you

Nenonen posted:

Debate & Discussion › Finnish Politics Megathread III > Hehehähähä. Hienosti ajateltu.

Kyllä

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Destroy the countryside, I.e. everything outside Turku 10.

Asteroid Alert
Oct 24, 2012

BINGO!
LAN moderators finally caved in and allowed creating new threads.

Torille: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3882261

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

It's OK they can close it now.

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo
Kuinka monta paskapostiketjua me muka tarvitaan?

Asteroid Alert
Oct 24, 2012

BINGO!
28.

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
At least we can redirect random bullshit to its proper thread now.

DanTheFryingPan
Jan 28, 2006

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

At least we can redirect random bullshit to its proper thread now.

Then why is the LAN thread needed?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

DanTheFryingPan posted:

Then why is the LAN thread needed?

Let's have a meet-up! I'll brink the puukot, you bring the puntarit. BYOB. (Bring Your Own Bloodbucket)

El Perkele
Nov 7, 2002

I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.

Jerry Cotton posted:

Let's have a meet-up! I'll brink the puukot, you bring the puntarit. BYOB. (Bring Your Own Bloodbucket)

plz do not bring your SoO jacket to fingöönmiit

DanTheFryingPan
Jan 28, 2006

El Perkele posted:

plz do not bring your SoO jacket to fingöönmiit

You can only attend if you've signed all of Paavo's kannatuskortit.

Krabboss
Nov 11, 2016

MY HUSBAND'S PARSE IS BETTER THAN YOURS
Espoo has shut down my university campus because it's sinking into the earth. Finns love having their buildings sink into the earth or fill with deadly spores, for some reason.

I'm getting my wisdom teeth pulled out tomorrow at the local hospital. What should I expect?

Zat
Jan 16, 2008

Krabboss posted:

I'm getting my wisdom teeth pulled out tomorrow at the local hospital. What should I expect?

The operation itself should be quick and easy, but you'll be spitting blood and look like a big-cheeked chipmunk for a few days.

I think I ate mostly pinaattikeitto and puuros for the next day or 2.

Zat fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Feb 17, 2019

Krabboss
Nov 11, 2016

MY HUSBAND'S PARSE IS BETTER THAN YOURS

Zat posted:

The operation itself should be quick and easy, but you'll be spitting blood and look like a big-cheeked chipmunk for a few days.

I think I ate mostly pinaattikeitto and puuros for the next day or 2.

Sounds not too bad then. I'm not worried about the pain during or afterwards (excepting the pain of a dry socket), I just get anxious when I feel like I'm stuck in a vulnerable position. I will put my trust in the Finnish public healthcare system.

brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

Krabboss posted:

Espoo has shut down my university campus because it's sinking into the earth. Finns love having their buildings sink into the earth or fill with deadly spores, for some reason.

the bogs will reclaim us all, sooner or later

give up now, struggling will only make things worse

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
People ain't supposed to live here. The land is telling us to leave and we don't listen!

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
If the land didn't want us here then maybe it should have remained under glaciers and sea!

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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

This is Espoo it is made of ES and poo.

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