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Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Just use Waze people. Geeze

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Just use Waze people. Geeze

“I’m not owned! I’m not owned!” I insist as I scowl and fail to make an unprotected turn across rush hour traffic.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug
I bought a Sony TCD-D8.



It takes 4 AA batteries. You can record a 60 minute DAT tape, rewind it, play it, rewind it again and play it again, and the batteries will be dead.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Just use Waze people. Geeze

Google owns Waze, so I'm sure that 99% of the time it gives the same routes.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Armacham posted:

Google owns Waze, so I'm sure that 99% of the time it gives the same routes.

It does.

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Just use Waze people. Geeze

lol waze is israeli :oh:

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Just use the Thomas Guide in the rear seat footwell

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Rand McNally 4 life

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



I used this to navigate a multi-day road/camping trip and it was a hell of a lot more fun than using Google Maps. Also, it worked in the 50% of the state that doesn't have poo poo for cell service.

uvar
Jul 25, 2011

Avoid breathing
radioactive dust.
College Slice
The last time I used a paper map book was in 2003 on a family holiday. But we wrote notes on the maps and drew the route as we went and taped in a few tickets and brochures and it remains a fun memento. At that point I had a pda with a camera and a film camera... The scanned negatives are great quality, but I set the pda camera to 320x240 so I wouldn't fill up its memory too quickly because it was cheaper than buying film :smithicide:

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013
This is getting back to the TV antenna stuff a few pages ago but is satellite piracy still a thing? Back in the 90s I'd occasionally go to this other kid's place and his dad not only had a big satellite dish on a rotator that would mostly pick up legally free stuff like Canadian/Latin American broadcasts and religious stations, but also had a couple smaller dishes they used for pirating commercial broadcasts. I recall the equipment would change monthly or yearly, since sometimes I'd go over and they'd be like "oh we can't watch DirectTV right now they changed things" and then next time there would be some new box or device hooked up and the old stuff would be added to a pile in their barn.

Vanagoon
Jan 20, 2008


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^ That reminds me that when I lived in a rural area - that being Chester county, TN - there were still tons of the old C-Band dishes still standing because no one could be bothered with pulling them down, I guess. After a while it got to be a game for me to see how many I could spot, over a several county area there were still dozens that i saw.

These things - the "Big Ugly Dish"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_receive-only

You were really a bad-rear end back in the day if you had one that had an actuator on it that would move the dish automatically when you changed channels.

A lot of them have ended up like this and it makes me kinda sad because I've always wondered if there was any way they could be repurposed, there must be some way to do something neat with a big rear end satellite dish.

Queen Combat
Dec 29, 2017

Lipstick Apathy
One hell of a wifi antenna. Two of them with some ubiquiti links, maybe? Of course you get into wavelengths and focal points etc

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Put a transceiver on it and make a ghetto directional wifi. Probably has the wrong characteristics.

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

C.M. Kruger posted:

This is getting back to the TV antenna stuff a few pages ago but is satellite piracy still a thing? Back in the 90s I'd occasionally go to this other kid's place and his dad not only had a big satellite dish on a rotator that would mostly pick up legally free stuff like Canadian/Latin American broadcasts and religious stations, but also had a couple smaller dishes they used for pirating commercial broadcasts. I recall the equipment would change monthly or yearly, since sometimes I'd go over and they'd be like "oh we can't watch DirectTV right now they changed things" and then next time there would be some new box or device hooked up and the old stuff would be added to a pile in their barn.

Using a Ku-Band or C-Band dish to pick up the stuff that was being broadcast unencrypted was really common for a lot of rural areas that didn't get cable service or many antenna based channels. It worked because the big broadcasters (nbc, cbs, cnn, etc) had to get their signal to the local stations in each market, and used satellite to do so. Anybody could grab the signal if they had the same equipment. That slowly changed as encryption was added to stop people from 'stealing' the signal, and while there was some traffic in decoder boxes, it was too expensive and too finicky for most people to keep up with it.

The DirectTV piracy was a whole different story. They were broadcasting using an encrypted signal from the start, but relied on a 'decryption card' that was unique to each user to control what channels a user could watch, which could be reprogrammed remotely using signed commands. A group of 'hackers' kept finding flaws in the way this card was programmed and secured, and released tools that would let you unlock your card if you bought some interface hardware to plug the card into a PC (an ISO7816 reader, which is still the standard for Smartcards). DirectTV would update the card, and hackers would release updated tools, and it went back and forth for a number of years. It turned out, however, that the company that owned DirectTV's competitor, Dish Network, was quietly funding these 'hackers' in order to drive down DirectTV's profits and make them a takeover target. This all ended up in court, a whole bunch of fallout happened, and the 'hackers' lost funding and new hacks stopped appearing, though existing ones sort of still worked, as the card had been so thoroughly reverse engineered it was now impossible to lock up again. DirectTV took the simple, but expensive, solution to just replace every subscribers card with a new model, and then stopped using the encryption method the old card could decode. Without a dedicated group, nobody could break the new card, and the days of free DirectTV mostly came to an end.

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Jan 20, 2008


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Another directv memory - we had an ancient receiver in one of the rooms way out in the sticks where I was staying, it was an RCA DRD420RE - and one day a bunch of the channels started displaying a message that the receiver was going to be obsoleted soon and we should call and ask for a new one. I'm fairly sure that this meant that they were changing the video codec used to one not supported by my old receiver.

They even sent a little envelope to mail the access card that had been in that receiver since like 2001 when my family out there first had the Directv service installed. They are serious about card security it seems. I dutifully sent the card back in the little envelope.

I had to look this up but i'm pretty sure this is the model of receiver it was:
https://www.amazon.com/RCA-DRD420RE-DIRECTV-Second-Room-Receiver/dp/B00004SSRB

It had one of the more pleasing menu systems of receivers that old. I watched a lot of How it's made on that box.

http://www.angelfire.com/pr/dsshunters/DSS%20Systems.htm

stevewm
May 10, 2005
My parents bought into Dish Network the year they went into public operation. (1996 I think) Back in those days it was sold through dealers. You bought all the equipment up front. Dish offered a self install kit that included some RG6 cabling, cheap stripping tool, twist on ends, and a cheap compass.

I remember helping my Dad install it. Pointing was pretty simple as there was only one satellite to aim at, not the complicated multi-satellite systems used today. Put in zip code, receiver told you the degrees and elevation to point the dish. Getting a good signal was easy.

Eventually Dish forced them to upgrade their receivers due to age; I guess they where going to eventually stop working. At that time they went from 2 ancient Echostar branded "3000" receivers from 1996, to 2 new 300 series receivers and Dish500 system installed by a Dish contractor for free.

They where a Dish customer up until last year when they finally dropped it in favor of internet streaming options.

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Vanagoon
Jan 20, 2008


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We had Primestar in the mid to late 90s sometime, and I remember the receiver for it was absolutely gigantic. Easily a couple of feet wide.

OG Xbox dwarfingly huge:
http://theoldcatvequipmentmuseum.org/170/174/1742/index.html

Picture jacked from an eBay auction, note the 5 disc changer and AV receiver in the background.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Primestar-Satelite-Receiver-300D/292954175065?hash=item44356df659:g:jQgAAOSwa~FcJ63C:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true



How many of you remember when Mike Rowe was the promotional guy for Primestar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8BxMgLRK_Q

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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



I had DirectTV only because I won a whole installed system and a year's worth of prime channels as a prize. It was okay, but I made the switch to online-only years and years ago. poo poo, I haven't had regular TV since like 2007.

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Jan 20, 2008


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Forgive the double post, but I don't want to pack too much crap into one post,

Here's the motherboard inside that fat bastard:



From
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Primestar-...S!-1:rk:12:pf:0

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I used to love the cat and mouse game between hackers and Satellite TV.

The days of buying a dodgy gold card just gone when my then boss and myself got involved, and I even went and made some card readers for us.

Our setups required each:

ISDN connection as a minimum
Smart card breakout PCB with connection to a PC hooked up to the ISDN
SOMEONE who had a legit account with the rolling codes being fed through a card reader interposer then out to us.

I think I remember it right.

I'd be really interested on the hows and ifs of the scene these days. Everything I read when I google just seems a mystery.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Humphreys posted:

I used to love the cat and mouse game between hackers and Satellite TV.
I feel that way with cracks for apps and stuff. Since everything is a subscription model now, you don't get the "RELEASED BY SZENE XEr○, the best of the rest is just worst" with midi music anymore.


Was it Dish that released killcode for pirate catds that was compiled like months over a bunch of tiny updates???

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I do miss opening up a keygen and frantically searching for the mute button.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug
In Scandinavia there was a period where we would just go to a website (Does Kungen av Billeberga ring a bell for Scandigoons?) and it would just list a bunch of codes that you would enter into your satellite decoder with your remote. That would give you a bunch of pay channels. No idea how long that system was in use for, because when it comes to hackability, it can't be much easier than that.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Vanagoon posted:

Primestar

Ahh l had forgotten about them. I'm pretty sure they where the first digital DBS system.

A friends family had that system. My only memory of it where channel changes where very, very slow.

It would show a loading message on every channel change.

mlnhd
Jun 4, 2002

FilthyImp posted:

I feel that way with cracks for apps and stuff. Since everything is a subscription model now, you don't get the "RELEASED BY SZENE XEr○, the best of the rest is just worst" with midi music anymore.


Was it Dish that released killcode for pirate catds that was compiled like months over a bunch of tiny updates???

It was DirecTV. Pirates refer to it as "Black Sunday". Read about on wired.com

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Cojawfee posted:

I do miss opening up a keygen and frantically searching for the mute button.

coward

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
It's really bugging me right now, but for a couple of years in the early 90's my family had a set-top box that acted as a video guide. It had a remote with directional buttons, so you could scroll up and down, left and right, and if you pressed the middle button, it would input the numbers for whatever channel you selected.

It was discontinued around 1994, and probably bought out and rolled into DirecTV or some other more modern system with a guide button. I'm pretty sure this was before metadata was broadcast OTA, because I think it had to have a phone connection.

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Jan 20, 2008


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Keygen / Chiptune music is awesome. Y'all stop hating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KuBXpeYYlE

a starchy tuber
Sep 9, 2002

hi yes I'm very normal
I just had the tv-guide insert that came in the Sunday paper. My parents would get so pissed when I lost it.

mactheknife
Jul 20, 2004

THE JOLLY CANDY-LIKE BUTTON
We never had anything that advanced either - just the Preview Channel/TV Guide Channel and I've just now remembered the despair of changing to it just as the channel you cared about moved out of view

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Vanagoon posted:

Keygen / Chiptune music is awesome. Y'all stop hating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KuBXpeYYlE

:yeah:

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

mactheknife posted:

We never had anything that advanced either - just the Preview Channel/TV Guide Channel and I've just now remembered the despair of changing to it just as the channel you cared about moved out of view

My family didn't get cable until the summer of 1994, so we ended up with the preview channel for a couple years before we switched over to DirecTV.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

mactheknife posted:

We never had anything that advanced either - just the Preview Channel/TV Guide Channel and I've just now remembered the despair of changing to it just as the channel you cared about moved out of view

Every loving time. History channel was 58, Comedy Central was 59, and Scifi was 60. It was always on like 64 when I flipped to the TV guide channel.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

EoRaptor posted:

The DirectTV piracy was a whole different story. They were broadcasting using an encrypted signal from the start, but relied on a 'decryption card' that was unique to each user to control what channels a user could watch, which could be reprogrammed remotely using signed commands. A group of 'hackers' kept finding flaws in the way this card was programmed and secured, and released tools that would let you unlock your card if you bought some interface hardware to plug the card into a PC (an ISO7816 reader, which is still the standard for Smartcards). DirectTV would update the card, and hackers would release updated tools, and it went back and forth for a number of years. It turned out, however, that the company that owned DirectTV's competitor, Dish Network, was quietly funding these 'hackers' in order to drive down DirectTV's profits and make them a takeover target. This all ended up in court, a whole bunch of fallout happened, and the 'hackers' lost funding and new hacks stopped appearing, though existing ones sort of still worked, as the card had been so thoroughly reverse engineered it was now impossible to lock up again. DirectTV took the simple, but expensive, solution to just replace every subscribers card with a new model, and then stopped using the encryption method the old card could decode. Without a dedicated group, nobody could break the new card, and the days of free DirectTV mostly came to an end.

My dad bought a DirecTV setup back in the day because American TV had way more content than Canadian Cable and there was no easy way to get it legally. He started out by taking the card to someone to get reprogrammed when the satellite when down and eventually bought a card reader from the guy and he would just email my dad the codes whenever the thing stopped working. I would reprogram the card for my dad and eventually learned the parental lock code was stored on the card so I could learn/remove the code and watch adult content when my parents weren't home. I remember the Black Sunday thing pretty vividly because we were both excited to watch the Super Bowl with the American commercials instead of the simsubbed Canadian broadcasts and the whole thing was off for like a month. Eventually it came back for a bit then DirecTV replaced all the H/HU access cards with P4 cards and you couldn't get your computer to recognized those without some expensive hardware so he gave up.

an AOL chatroom
Oct 3, 2002

mlnhd posted:

It was DirecTV. Pirates refer to it as "Black Sunday". Read about on wired.com

I love reading this every few years. Just long enough to forget some of the crazy details, but not enough to forget that it's an interesting read

edit: This Wired article gets into some stuff I didn't know, but this is the one I was thinking of specifically
https://blog.codinghorror.com/revisiting-the-black-sunday-hack/

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barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


The good ole days of software piracy on the high seas of bulletin board systems were the bomb, too. A friend with an older brother who had access to a 1337 h4x0rz warez bbs was a friend indeed, and just being kiddies filling floppies with games felt like living in Shadowrun times. Ahh.

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005


I found this while looking for a different game's box art and I just feel like I need to leave this image somewhere.

EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Humphreys posted:

I used to love the cat and mouse game between hackers and Satellite TV.

The days of buying a dodgy gold card just gone when my then boss and myself got involved, and I even went and made some card readers for us.

Our setups required each:

ISDN connection as a minimum
Smart card breakout PCB with connection to a PC hooked up to the ISDN
SOMEONE who had a legit account with the rolling codes being fed through a card reader interposer then out to us.

I think I remember it right.

I'd be really interested on the hows and ifs of the scene these days. Everything I read when I google just seems a mystery.

In the dieing days of the H card, this method was worked out, because receivers had about 250ms of latency between receiving the encrypted ‘key’ to decode the next segment of video and when that key would be needed, and the internet was just becoming fast enough to make this type of card sharing possible, as the cards themselves could decrypt dozens of keys a second, because they also supported commercial installs with many channels decoding in a single receiver using the same card hardware. The replacement HU card did not support the same key rate ( among a bunch of other security changes ) and could not be used in the same way.

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You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting



Got my old PII system finally running with a Nvidia FX 5200 in it and Vibra (OEM Sound Blaster) 16 sound card. Grabbed a SB Audigy sound card to put in later on. Running Windows 98SE happily at the moment

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